OF
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That, I think, is something that should concern both of us.
A lot.
Yer welcome, of course. Amuse if you can't inform.......
OF
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That, I think, is something that should concern both of us.
A lot.
Yer welcome, of course. Amuse if you can't inform.......
OF
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DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
Melt your mind a little more...
This species includes the tallest living trees on Earth, reaching up to 379 feet (115.5 m) in height (without the roots) and up to 27.4 feet (8.4 m) in diameter at breast height / dbh.[6] These trees are also among the oldest living things on Earth.
There's a park in California that has 5 of the Top 10 tallest trees in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(tree)
Hyperion is the name of a coast redwood (Sequoia sempervirens) in Northern California that was measured at 115.61 m (379.3 ft), which ranks it as the world's tallest known living tree.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_National_and_State_Parks
I need to go get lost over there sometime soon!
Now back to our scheduled programming...
Melting Pot
Sick & Twisted
That's one I want to do before I kick it. It would be a great day for the Vapman!Melt your mind a little more...
This species includes the tallest living trees on Earth, reaching up to 379 feet (115.5 m) in height (without the roots) and up to 27.4 feet (8.4 m) in diameter at breast height / dbh.[6] These trees are also among the oldest living things on Earth.
There's a park in California that has 5 of the Top 10 tallest trees in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_(tree)
Hyperion is the name of a coast redwood (Sequoia sempervirens) in Northern California that was measured at 115.61 m (379.3 ft), which ranks it as the world's tallest known living tree.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redwood_National_and_State_Parks
I need to go get lost over there sometime soon!
Now back to our scheduled programming...
Netflix has a documentary climbing the red woods you should check it out. I really enjoyed it.
They were looking for the tallest and the furthest I'm VAKED can't remember. Lol Vapman is a powerhouses!!!
OF
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Coast Redwoods? Naw, they're the babies. Tall, but not too big around. The real big ones are East and higher up. Check out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequoiadendron_giganteum
Notice the first photo, those little things are people. Notice the fire hit on the right one in the second photo? Didn't stunt it's growth much......
There are several 'drive through trees' (and at least one you drive on top of....):
http://www.strangebusiness.com/images/content/133443.jpg
And last, here's one sticking up through the normal Pines and Firs:
https://2pat.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/redwood.jpg
I've got two Coast Redwoods in the back yard, tiny ones, can't be more than 60 feet (yet).
OF
@Andreaerdna Yes, with the vapman station the heat shields are not needed at all, the wood will stay the same for ever.
@Mojo I simply don`t know how heat resistant the different woods are. Only once I did a test between beech and oak wood and found out that beech wood can take a few more degrees before it starts to get dark. At the same time I know from burning wood in the oven, that beech would burns better than oak. Could well be that beech can take a bit more heat but oak tree is nevertheless more resistant to fire. This shows how complex it is to test different woods. One thing we forget often when thinking about different woods is the fact, that there is also a difference inside the same species of trees. The circumstances during growth can have a huge impact on the characteristics of the wood. The woods of Ash trees for instance can vary considerably depending on the location they grew.
As @OF mentioned, the California Redwood is apparently one of the most when not the most fire resistant wood of all woods. My first and last time in the USA in 2007, I was driving with a friend from Seattle down to San Diego and I must say that these giant Redwood trees were by far the most impressive and touching things I have seen on that trip. Standing underneath these giants and enjoying some of that famous California grass from high up the hills of Mendocino County, was an experience of the special kind I never forget. Thinking that some of these trees were there before Pythagoras and all the other famous Greeks is just mind boggling. It sounds pathetic and I am pathetic but it has driven tears in my eyes.
Did I mention before that I love trees?
This is also the reason I love the yew tree over here so much, he is the brother of the redwood and is the longest living creature of Europe.
Another thing to fire resistance is heat insulation, in this category the woods with lower density win because the air inside is the actual insulator. Vapman(s) made of woods with lower density don`t get as warm on the outside as the ones made of denser woods.
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natural farmer
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I saw my first yew tree a few days ago, a young one, born among the ashes of a burned forest as part of a botanical garden. Beautiful tree, like all of them of course! There will sure be a place for a couple of them in my forest garden if it ever exists.
So, I just opened a new imgur account and uploaded a few pics of my new Vapi, the possibly first Vapman to be laser engraved, at least as far as we know at the moment and it's state after about a week of use. I know it might look like it has gone through hell to some, and it has indeed since I have been feeding it a nasty, stinky, gunky black-residue-depositor of a wax made by my brother who accidentally left the herbs in the ISO a few secs more than needed and now it's full of plant matter. But it does it job fairly well and I had forgotten I even had it stashed away!
So my Vapi, in a week, has gone through herbs, a lot of VG e-juice, kief, hash and this stinky wax! And since I gave up trying to keep it clean the bowl since the first time that wax went through it, I decided to season it instead like you would do for a cast iron skillet! And it's almost ready a day after! 
Feast your eyes! 
It's so small!! I love it!
After a couple of days with only a few herb loads and e-juice…
And after the gunky wax and the needed torching of the screen! Nearly perfectly seasoned oven...
I am enjoying my Vapi very much and I can't wait to put some more herb through it!
@Ratchett ! I have some ideas I need to talk to you about the Vapman!
PM me if you are interested! 
simpleasthcis
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- Waipoua Forest
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- New Zealand's oldest trees they are gods, René the oldest yew in Europe is up the road from me ill see if I can't get you a branch so.
Sorry no link .?
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natural farmer
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OK, so I just got a little worried and I hope someone calms me down about this… So my seasoning apparently doesn't hold that well on copper/gold and while I was brushing the bowl with ISO on a small painting brush the black coating started to go and what was under it is what I would call a completely flaked off bowl. I guess I have heated too much but hash and oil needed it to get some results so…
What worried me most is this fragment from an article online (http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-copper-oxide.htm):
"Copper(II) Oxide
Occurrence, Production and Properties
This compound — also known as cupric oxide (CuO) — occurs naturally as the black or grey mineral tenorite. Like Cu2O, it can be made by heating copper, but at a lower temperature. This method gives an impure form, however, and it is best prepared by heating some oxygen-containing copper compounds, such as the carbonate, hydroxide, or nitrate. It is a black solid that melts above 2192°F (1200°C). At this temperature, it loses some oxygen, leaving small amounts of copper(I) oxide. Like the other form, copper(II) oxide is insoluble in most solvents, but reacts with acids, forming salts.
Health Effects
Although copper is an essential element for mammals, many of its compounds, including both forms of copper oxide, are toxic in all but small doses. If inhaled, copper(I) oxide can cause shortness of breath, coughing, and damage to the respiratory tract. Swallowing this compound can cause irritation of the gastrointestinal tract, vomiting, stomach pain, and diarrhea. Copper(II) oxide can cause similar symptoms if swallowed, as well as vision problems and skin discoloration. Both compounds can cause metal fume fever, a condition that produces flu-like symptoms and is a hazard in occupations that involve strong heating of copper structures or wire."
Can this be a problem for me? There sure is black powder after I torch it in order to get read of the gunk after a bowl of the wax. I get rid of it I guess after the ISO brushing and if some is left it's in minute quantities but still… Is copper safe to be inhaled when heated up?
And also did I destroy my Vapi already?
EDIT: Can I have a Ti bowl in my Vapman with a hard ceramic middle section please?? It shouldn't be that hard, right???
What worried me most is this fragment from an article online (http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-copper-oxide.htm):
"Copper(II) Oxide
Occurrence, Production and Properties
This compound — also known as cupric oxide (CuO) — occurs naturally as the black or grey mineral tenorite. Like Cu2O, it can be made by heating copper, but at a lower temperature. This method gives an impure form, however, and it is best prepared by heating some oxygen-containing copper compounds, such as the carbonate, hydroxide, or nitrate. It is a black solid that melts above 2192°F (1200°C). At this temperature, it loses some oxygen, leaving small amounts of copper(I) oxide. Like the other form, copper(II) oxide is insoluble in most solvents, but reacts with acids, forming salts.
Health Effects
Although copper is an essential element for mammals, many of its compounds, including both forms of copper oxide, are toxic in all but small doses. If inhaled, copper(I) oxide can cause shortness of breath, coughing, and damage to the respiratory tract. Swallowing this compound can cause irritation of the gastrointestinal tract, vomiting, stomach pain, and diarrhea. Copper(II) oxide can cause similar symptoms if swallowed, as well as vision problems and skin discoloration. Both compounds can cause metal fume fever, a condition that produces flu-like symptoms and is a hazard in occupations that involve strong heating of copper structures or wire."
Can this be a problem for me?
There sure is black powder after I torch it in order to get read of the gunk after a bowl of the wax. I get rid of it I guess after the ISO brushing and if some is left it's in minute quantities but still… Is copper safe to be inhaled when heated up?And also did I destroy my Vapi already?
EDIT: Can I have a Ti bowl in my Vapman with a hard ceramic middle section please?? It shouldn't be that hard, right???
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weedemon
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it's my understating that the copper bowl is completely covered in gold on the outside surface of the metal. (both inside an out) maybe @vapmanwill come an confirm, this for us. gold is known for being very safe, and I think it would be sealing the copper away from us inside the metal part.
I don't think you need to worry, but lets hear from the maker himself.
on that note, I'd buy one.
@OF, interesting post about the red cedar being optimal. you sure they were not being cheap because it weighs less to ship?
Evergreen trees have a better chance at surviving (mild / weak) forest fires because they are "sappy" and more full of moisture heck there are many species of evergreen that require a forest fire for their cones to open up and starte the next generation of their species.
When i was in college, we learned that the max height of a tree is about 130m (just about 420 ft which is why i took special notice of the figure) It was something to do with capillary action not being able to pump the water and nutrients any higher in the tree.
trees are wonderful, amazing things
I don't think you need to worry, but lets hear from the maker himself.
on that note, I'd buy one.
@OF, interesting post about the red cedar being optimal. you sure they were not being cheap because it weighs less to ship?
Evergreen trees have a better chance at surviving (mild / weak) forest fires because they are "sappy" and more full of moisture heck there are many species of evergreen that require a forest fire for their cones to open up and starte the next generation of their species. When i was in college, we learned that the max height of a tree is about 130m (just about 420 ft which is why i took special notice of the figure) It was something to do with capillary action not being able to pump the water and nutrients any higher in the tree.
trees are wonderful, amazing things
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hoyo77
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Here bro this may help you out. Flame spread index of various woodsOK, I meant "always" in the poetic sense...
@vapman, I forget that wood is (or was), a living thing, and varies a lot even between the same species - as you pointed out.
Interesting...
http://www.terramai.com/userfiles/file/Technical/USDA_Flame_Spread_Index_for_Wood.pdf
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/wood-combustion-heat-d_372.html
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Melting Pot
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Hey @vapman
Loving your vape!!!
I'm not going into a long poem to tell u how about how awesome it is. You already know what U have...
I'm really interested to see what we have to do about getting exotics!!
I mentioned to @Ed's TnT about sending him VM him gutting replace wood with whatever.
I believe he felt like not so good understandable.
So I was wondering if maybe u and Ed could maybe work together somehow to help us state side.
Or any input would greatly be appreciated. I'm sure the I are a few who want exotic wood Vapman. It would be beneficial for everyone. Imho
This is the hardest hitting 22g of wood in the world.
Thank you
Loving your vape!!!
I'm not going into a long poem to tell u how about how awesome it is. You already know what U have...
I'm really interested to see what we have to do about getting exotics!!
I mentioned to @Ed's TnT about sending him VM him gutting replace wood with whatever.
I believe he felt like not so good understandable.
So I was wondering if maybe u and Ed could maybe work together somehow to help us state side.
Or any input would greatly be appreciated. I'm sure the I are a few who want exotic wood Vapman. It would be beneficial for everyone. Imho
This is the hardest hitting 22g of wood in the world.
Thank you
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OF
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When i was in college, we learned that the max height of a tree is about 130m (just about 420 ft which is why i took special notice of the figure) It was something to do with capillary action not being able to pump the water and nutrients any higher in the tree.
trees are wonderful, amazing things
As I understand it that has a lot to do with the height. Which is why the Giants (different species) aren't that much taller, they 'bulk up' in diameter (and therefore volume).
Another interesting effect is centuries of standing on it's stump makes the tree more like concrete at the bottom. It defies cutting, even with modern tools. In the day, guys would climb ladders up to 12 or 15 feet and chop notches in. They'd then wedge "spring boards" into the notches to stand on to work the saws. 15 feet up, 15 feet out a plank (no sharks, thankfully) hauling on the world's biggest bucksaw (and not falling off.....) is a tough way to make a living if you ask me. Finally get one down and I bet you feel like you've done something. Small ones get cut into truck length sections, larger ones are split in the field. Many years ago they logged off a canyon up North, built a railroad to get the wood out. They split the logs with dynamite. Just two of those trees were used to build the original Yolo causeway, 3 plus miles of elevated (2 lane) highway leading into the capitol (Sacramento) from the West across the marshes. Two trees.
The burals (knob growth at the base) can sprout if cut off and kept wet, they are also have fantastic grain (as you might guess), we have an ongoing problem with thieves in the Parks (often damaging the tree in the process).
Another fun thing you find in parks on display are 'time trees', a cross section with "Magna Carta signed", "First Crusade", "Birth of Christ" and so on labels on the rings. As VM says above, can make a guy feel mighty small.
All trees are cool IMO as well, but I guess these guys are my favorites. The Redwoods in the back yard are way different than the apple or pear tree on the other side for sure. Very special, at least to me.
Thanks for listening.
OF
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
The Gold on this bowl doesn't look chipped to me just stained, If you can get a product where you live like the "Mr Clean Magic Eraser" I bet it will clean up like new.
EDIT: and the bowl would still be safe to vape out of with no gold, copper is safe at these temps.
Melting Pot
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natural farmer
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It's whiter than it looks actually, nothing like the underside or when it was new…
Melting Pot
Sick & Twisted
I would prefer goldplated S/S
I know it would change everything might also with the different woods I'm willing to gamble with my money more than my health.
Dam the rabbit hole continue's
weedemon
enthusiast
super interesting OF, never thought about the wood at the trunk of these trees before. Thanks for explaining the process of felling a tree like this. I can only imagine the crash and boom felt when one of these giants came down. I kinda want a vapman built of of the trunk of one of these now imagine the amount of vapmans you could get from one tree! lol. 1 tree, enough for the company's entire lifespan
Sort of like like ice on the bottom of a glacier (the compaction). The ice turns blue from the insane pressure on it. truly beautiful, and on my bucket list to see in real life before i die. I want to walk through a drainage tunnel on the floor.
imagine the amount of vapmans you could get from one tree! lol. 1 tree, enough for the company's entire lifespan Sort of like like ice on the bottom of a glacier (the compaction). The ice turns blue from the insane pressure on it. truly beautiful, and on my bucket list to see in real life before i die. I want to walk through a drainage tunnel on the floor.
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
Copper is a safe material there is no reason to be alarmed or concerned here.
still it will clean up. the inside of my bowl appears lighter then the bottom or a new unused VM but it's now clean and was in much worse condition then your pictures show yours to have been.
still it will clean up. the inside of my bowl appears lighter then the bottom or a new unused VM but it's now clean and was in much worse condition then your pictures show yours to have been.
Melting Pot
Sick & Twisted
I'm sure I'm confused thanks @RUDE BOY
I couldn't remember which was bad copper or brass ?
I'm just going to add to my Sig
First to go is memory!!!
RUDE BOY
Space is the Place
Even the Idea that Brass is harmful is purely alarmist crap for the most part since most vapes that use brass use 'marine brass' which can't leach lead in solid form, no how no way. Now if you decide to smelt down a bunch of NO2 bowls daily for a couple years without a mask you may wanna worry a little.
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OF
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All things are/can be dangerous. Elemental Copper, however, it pretty tame. You have no issues with copper pots and pans, right? Higher temps there than the inside of VM.
To get 'toxic fumes' you'd need to boil it, 2500C? I wouldn't worry too much.....
I get what you're saying but think you're off base. Copper, from a Material Science standpoint, is nearly ideal in thermal terms (better if it was Silver, but not by much). SS, OTOH, is a lousy heat conductor. IMO VM paid attention when he was in school.........
I kinda want a vapman built of of the trunk of one of these now
Sort of like like ice on the bottom of a glacier (the compaction). The ice turns blue from the insane pressure on it. truly beautiful, and on my bucket list to see in real life before i die. I want to walk through a drainage tunnel on the floor.
Yer right there, a LOT of board feet per tree. VM's great grandchildren could produce them with 'the original tree'........
Glaciers are a trip for sure. We camped on one in College, a nest of tents on a huge ice cube. Got a visit in the night by what seems to have been a bear, the rest of us thought it was the class clown (hard to believe it wasn't me......) and seem to have scared him/her off with "Nigel, give it up" shouts. It's a trip to stand on one and think 'this goes miles up into the mountians....'.
Most are retreating these days, you can drive up to the 'toe' of many in the Columbia Ice Fields.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Icefield
They are still moving down hill of course, but melting faster. They make noise, grinding the rock. They also ooze grease like ground rock mud. Many years back, a friend and I drove North on an adventure, we started out chopping a piece of that blue ice that barely fit the ice chest, man did that sucker keep food cold for a long time, like 2000 miles? An unanswered question came up on that trip, 'how did the pioneers get covered wagons here?'. No roads, lots of rivers to cross and big stuff and tress to avoid. Did you know most walked? Riding in the wagon was dusty and rough. My relatives that took the trip from St. Joe had the two older brothers share the driving. Those with authority in the family walked. People were made of different stuff then, for sure.
Another great place, though harder to get to, is Steward.
http://www.hellobc.com/stewart.aspx
An old Copper mining city (now a town, really) across from the skinny part of Alaska. There's a miniature Yosemite Valley, complete with active glaciers cutting the rock you can walk up to and kick.
http://www.brewster.ca/rocky-mounta...tivities/columbia-icefield-glacier-adventure/
IMO worth seeing at many levels. Don't miss Hyder, it's across the border in Alaska, 200 guys who hang on, use Canadian money and close the bars after the last drinker goes home. They're 'land locked' only roads out go to Canada. Fun memories, as are most.
I wouldn't be so fast with that advice, yes some are Lead free, some aren't. Best advice is to get a cheap test kit (swabs you wipe with usually, looking for black) and be sure. Many years back I went on a bender and found many of my pipes had Lead, sometimes only a single part.
Not to take a shot at China, but they seem to have no problem putting Lead based paint on kids toys? Or the Vapor Genie clones running around a while back?
OF
Melting Pot
Sick & Twisted
I am more than happy to do what I can however possible as long as I am not stepping on anyone's toes nor overstepping my bounds, thats not what I a about nor what I feel comfortable doing. I am always open to any ideas and more than eager to be a part of where ever I can be helpful!