next generation e-nails?

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mixchu69 said:
Looks nice and am glad they set it up that way. And nice price. Time to buy.
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If you have a 20mm coil hold off buying!

The new design in the first pic on the website that shows the longer cup dish and the hook higher up (new design to work better) is for 16mm coils only. CFAB has the new design for 20mm orders but they haven't arrived yet.

I have the one that @GSH has and it does work well but the new design with the higher hook and larger/deeper cup dish seems like it will help make the coil stay on a little more securely.
 
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BoogerMan said:
If you have a 20mm coil hold off buying!

The new design in the first pic on the website that shows the longer cup dish and the hook higher up (new design to work better) is for 16mm coils only. CFAB has the new design for 20mm orders but they haven't arrived yet.

I have the one that @GSH has and it does work well but the new design with the higher hook and larger/deeper cup dish seems like it will help make the coil stay on a little more securely.
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Man, I'll call and try to cancel and wait for the 20mm. On the website, it gave me option for 20mm coil?
 
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Man, I'll call and try to cancel and wait for the 20mm. On the website, it gave me option for 20mm coil?
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Sorry let me clarify. Both 16mm and 20mm are in stock.
The 16mm that are in stock are the new and improved version.
The 20mm that are in stock are the old version like myself and GSH have.

If you wait probably a week or two (you can ask him) he should have the new and improved version in 20mm.
 
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DieHard

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The price point on the Errlectric Herb Nail is definately high. But their standard Nail/coil and HE dish/coil prices are $199 and $179 respectively. So the hybrid of the Ti dish and herb chamber being $100 more doesn't really surprise me. It is a bit more than a $10 adaptor and "regular old e-nail" IMO.
 
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The price point on the Errlectric Herb Nail is definately high. But their standard Nail/coil and HE dish/coil prices are $199 and $179 respectively. So the hybrid of the Ti dish and herb chamber being $100 more doesn't really surprise me. It is a bit more than a $10 adaptor and "regular old e-nail" IMO.
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Like what? They dont show the bottom but the top is clearly an e-nail top.
 
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DieHard said:
The price point on the Errlectric Herb Nail is definately high. But their standard Nail/coil and HE dish/coil prices are $199 and $179 respectively. So the hybrid of the Ti dish and herb chamber being $100 more doesn't really surprise me. It is a bit more than a $10 adaptor and "regular old e-nail" IMO.
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How so? I'm not saying its NOT different if you think it is I could very well be wrong, but what is different? It seems like an enail above an adapter, but theirs has a neat and useful handle which I admit is awesome. Unless there is something different that they are not advertising, or I'm just missing something...which happens far too often.

It appears to just be a hot chunk of metal above the bud. The air is drawn over the bud and into the bong. That is how it worked on ours, and ours worked well at torch powered who knows what temp. I really wish I got to try it with an e-nail, but I'm going to need a ti e-nail, and those aren't cheap. I also want a new adapter that can handle the heat!
 
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I can see the bottom adapter doing something to cause turbulence in the bowl and when I asked @VaPeD&CoNfUsEd about making me an adapter, I specifically asked him about a way to create turbulence in the bowl. I think it would be easier to do with the adapter that screws on to the dish but I dont know anyone who has those kinds of skills.
 
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I can see the bottom adapter doing something to cause turbulence in the bowl and when I asked @VaPeD&CoNfUsEd about making me an adapter, I specifically asked him about a way to create turbulence in the bowl. I think it would be easier to do with the adapter that screws on to the dish but I dont know anyone who has those kinds of skills.
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What part causes turbulence? I keep looking for that but I don't understand. I'm no engineer.

I hope @VaPeD&CoNfUsEd can get this done for us. Was he looking to do it in glass or quartz? I'd rather buy a bowl and support a local member than pay $300 for it.


FWIW I'd be pretty happy with a nice quartz or quality heat safe glass version of the adapter I already had. It worked really really well with just a shitty titanium nail on top that we heated with a torch. I can only imagine how much nicer it would be with the right temp programmed on the controller to take that variable out. That + any nail really works without anything more to it. If there is some turbulence or something I'm missing, then it might be even better. All I can say is without it I'm already happy enough haha. Love when the only options are pretty good, and excellent.
 
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There are holes in the glass piece. You can see in this pic. Also the top Ti piece, IIRC is machined to create the vortex, combined with the [apparently] angled holes in the glass.


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Oh ok thats cool. I feel like the holes in the glass probably have a greater effect than having the heat spiral through the nail before it even gets to the herbs. That should be the easier part to replicate. I don't know if it is really needed or not, but it might reduce the need to stir etc.

The cool thing about doing this is you can load some pretty fat bowls in a 14mm adapter. If you want to vape a lot per her it is a good quick option. Damn. I might need to grab a ti e-nail asap lol.


EDIT: Dunno how I missed the video! The turbulence in the glass is clearly reducing the need to stir greatly, at least when paper is used. Wish they'd vape some "tobacco" to show it off instead of paper.
 
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Im thinking about a piece for the base of the nail that send the air into the sides of the glass instead of straight down. This should kick up some turbulence in that small space. Id prefer not to have holes in my glass piece. Thats just going to require more heat to overcome the cold air let in by the holes.

You could also suspend a small marble in the glass path to difuse things.

I have a quartz guy here that could possibly make whatever we come up with.. Id like to have a version in boro to show him tho.
 
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Arizer was also able to induce turbulence as well with their Cyclone Bowls, I believe the lip inside the bowl adds the airflow turbulence
 
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What does everyone feel would be a fair price point for:

1 glass adapter that holds the herb
1 titanium screen
1 titanium nail that only heats herb
OR
1 titanium nail that heats herb and has a dab-able top surface
Total $ ????

And are you more interested in an herb only nail or an herb/dab nail?

$80 would be my maximum for the herb only setup and $120 for the herb/dab setup

I would be more interested in the herb/dab setup

I understand that Errlectric includes the coil and that their design with the turbulence is genius, but $300 is steep.

I was just wondering what other people thought a fair price point would be if it was made for a normal 16mm or 20mm coil, and whether or not you would like to be able to dab with it as well.
 
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I will tell you from personal experience that its hard to vape and dab at the same time. By the time you get the vapor flowing and drop your dab, you dont have a lot of lung capacity to inhale the dab.

Even still, Id still like to have some glass bowls for this.
 
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I will tell you from personal experience that its hard to vape and dab at the same time. By the time you get the vapor flowing and drop your dab, you dont have a lot of lung capacity to inhale the dab.

Even still, Id still like to have some glass bowls for this.
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I've got a fix for you poop ;)

Take an herb only hit so it heats up the herb. Exhale. Then start taking a second hit and drop the dab shortly after! The herb should still be warm from the first hit so it will start vaping faster during this second hit.

That's what worked for me at least and it was a nice punch to the face with those back to back hits :tup:
 
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Alright so I tried to make a DIY dry herb setup but failed. Pretty sure its because I tried to use my flat coil wit my Infiniti nail and it couldn't keep the heat high enough. I also have a 16mm and 20mm coil cable. Can anyone point me in the way of the cheapest coil to nail that will do the job? @BoogerMan @PoopMachine
 
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It's called a volcano.. Come on people

Dabs all day
 
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BoogerMan

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grdwaste said:
Alright so I tried to make a DIY dry herb setup but failed. Pretty sure its because I tried to use my flat coil wit my Infiniti nail and it couldn't keep the heat high enough. I also have a 16mm and 20mm coil cable. Can anyone point me in the way of the cheapest coil to nail that will do the job? @BoogerMan @PoopMachine
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Are you concerned about the purity of the titanium? If you are looking for something really cheap you may be able to find a Chinese titanium nail that would work. If not check out 420titanium. They have a huge selection.

If you go with a male joint titanium nail try to find one with the largest hole on the end that goes into the glass joint. Small hole ones might not function well because it will cause one spot of the herb to be darker than the rest (basically you will have to stir the herb after every hit).

A male joint titanium nail with a large hole or a female joint nail should eliminate having to stir each time but I'm still testing to figure out what works best.

As of now, a female joint glass adapter is definitely easier to load and titanium male joint e-nails seem to be fairly common so this may be the easiest setup. But I feel like using a male joint with a female titanium nail will distribute the heat more evenly and the ability to use lower temps. Once I have an ELB to try with a male joint glass adapter and a female joint titanium nail I'll report back what works best for me.
 
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I want to see the ERRL actually vaporizing cannabis, instead of swirling paper around.. I looked but haven't found any videos yet... I want to see it extract everything out of the herb in one big hit. I still think it would work better if the bottom was stainless and not glass. Video... please!
 
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BoogerMan said:
Are you concerned about the purity of the titanium? If you are looking for something really cheap you may be able to find a Chinese titanium nail that would work. If not check out 420titanium. They have a huge selection.

If you go with a male joint titanium nail try to find one with the largest hole on the end that goes into the glass joint. Small hole ones might not function well because it will cause one spot of the herb to be darker than the rest (basically you will have to stir the herb after every hit).

A male joint titanium nail with a large hole or a female joint nail should eliminate having to stir each time but I'm still testing to figure out what works best.

As of now, a female joint glass adapter is definitely easier to load and titanium male joint e-nails seem to be fairly common so this may be the easiest setup. But I feel like using a male joint with a female titanium nail will distribute the heat more evenly and the ability to use lower temps. Once I have an ELB to try with a male joint glass adapter and a female joint titanium nail I'll report back what works best for me.
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The Infiniti should work great. Put it in male configuration. It has a heck of a opening through the middle.

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I want to see the ERRL actually vaporizing cannabis, instead of swirling paper around.. I looked but haven't found any videos yet... I want to see it extract everything out of the herb in one big hit. I still think it would work better if the bottom was stainless and not glass. Video... please!
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Youve got to cause turbulence in the bowl for that to happen and thats what Im working on. I have a couple of ideas.A slightly taller bowl with something suspended in the middle to cause turbulence would be the ticket. Maybe I can get my local guy to make something.
 
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The Infiniti should work great. Put it in male configuration. It has a heck of a opening through the middle.



Youve got to cause turbulence in the bowl for that to happen and thats what Im working on. I have a couple of ideas.A slightly taller bowl with something suspended in the middle to cause turbulence would be the ticket. Maybe I can get my local guy to make something.
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hmm a slightly taller bowl,,, hmm I wonder what looks like that... maybe this??- http://www.sublimator.ca/product/atomizer/

oh I'm sure it would work... you in Nor Cal?.. come by we'll try it out...
 
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