Concentrates for Noobs - Q&A

OldOyler · Mar 12, 2015

mvapes said:
The micron jars are the only thing that is proven to protect your oil from UV light.

Ultraviolet light changes the molecular consistency of your oil and because of the way it breaks down not only are terps released but the medicinal value begins to degrade.

@DieHard was right, I was referring to the sugar within the oil. This is caused by a plant with a lipid concentrate. When lipids release terpenes and tane above certain temps or if over purged it will create sugared up oil or streaks within the oil itself.

A lot of people mistake this for waxing.

@mvapes a question - I use amber glass essential oil jars to store my finished product. Now, I am storing RSO not other concentrates, but just wanted to see what you thought about the UV protection from that type of container. (I know you were addressing a specific thing there, I am kind of just following up for my own selfish reasons - I am always fearful that something I *think* works well actually doesn't.

Oh, and I am just asking for myself, as in I am not giving or selling oil, etc.

Peace!

2clicker · Mar 12, 2015

OldOyler said:
@mvapes a question - I use amber glass essential oil jars to store my finished product. Now, I am storing RSO not other concentrates, but just wanted to see what you thought about the UV protection from that type of container. (I know you were addressing a specific thing there, I am kind of just following up for my own selfish reasons - I am always fearful that something I *think* works well actually doesn't.

Oh, and I am just asking for myself, as in I am not giving or selling oil, etc.

Peace!

amber jars are better than clear, but still allow light in. you want to eliminate light altogether. when talking jars the miron jars (of which is the violet glass used by ancient egyptians) is the best you can get.

you can however use an airtight container that is also opaque. it doesnt have to be a jar to eliminate UV light. i use a small pelican case to store flowers and concentrates. and of course keep it in a cool place.

k0udek · Mar 12, 2015

Hello my friends, i do a lot of edibles with hash, the hash i have is the dry and hard from morocco, is very good but is not the best grade, the concern i have is i'm afraid that i'm putting some nasty things in my body ingesting that type of hash. I do not have the amount of money right now to buy a vaporizer for it. What do you think ? should i stop doing edibles with that to be safe ? What alternatives do i have since i can't buy a vape to use lets say at home or at work, buy a stealthy pipe ?

JRR22611 · Mar 14, 2015

Sorry in advance if I'm not doing this right, I'm new here. I'd love any input I can get. What would you do in my situation?
Upon purchasing 10 grams of budder, I bought myself a new platinum cured medical grade silicone container for storage.
I know alcohol can dry out/ degrade silicone, but I cleaned the silicone container with 99% ISO briefly, then left it by a fan for 3+ hours to evaporate.

After at least 3 hours, I foolishly filled the container with my budder thinking the ISO had evaporated, but a few hours later I smelled my budder and noticed a subtle alcohol smell.

At that point I took the lid off the silicone container (unsealed it), put the container by a fan a let it sit for a few days.

A few days later and the budder still smells of ISO.

The amount of 99% ISO in the budder would be very trace, but is it safe to smoke? Is there a way I can save my budder by purging or evaporating further? If the budder is not safe to smoke, Is it at least edible or has the ISO made it poisonous?

Thank you FC community

OldOyler · Mar 14, 2015

k0udek said:
Hello my friends, i do a lot of edibles with hash, the hash i have is the dry and hard from morocco, is very good but is not the best grade, the concern i have is i'm afraid that i'm putting some nasty things in my body ingesting that type of hash. I do not have the amount of money right now to buy a vaporizer for it. What do you think ? should i stop doing edibles with that to be safe ? What alternatives do i have since i can't buy a vape to use lets say at home or at work, buy a stealthy pipe ?

@k0udek ,

If you are in the U.S. then PM me about this.

Peace!

Puffers · Mar 14, 2015

@k0udek

I believe traditionally Moroccan and European hashes from that general area are normally pressed or cold water extracted. Most of the contaminants in hash of that nature are generally plant matter. If that's the case I wouldn't worry too much about it particularly in edible form. :2c:

OldOyler · Mar 14, 2015

2clicker said:
amber jars are better than clear, but still allow light in. you want to eliminate light altogether. when talking jars the miron jars (of which is the violet glass used by ancient egyptians) is the best you can get.

you can however use an airtight container that is also opaque. it doesnt have to be a jar to eliminate UV light. i use a small pelican case to store flowers and concentrates. and of course keep it in a cool place.

@2clicker ,

You were right on the money! They have exactly what I have now (1/2oz, i.e. - 15ml glass bottle with built-in dropper) in miron on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/15ml-Oz-Perfume-Tincture-Bottle/dp/B00558VW68/

It was about $13 with shipping for just one, but well worth the money IMO (for my purposes), so I got several. If anyone finds them cheaper, feel free to post that. I was just excited to get exactly what I already had but in miron!

Peace!

k0udek · Mar 14, 2015

@OldOyler ,no, i'm in Europe $:\$

@Puffers Thank you for the input! i hope you're right

beeswax · Mar 15, 2015

I would have to agree with Puffers, you're probably fine. It's usually sifted hash so I don't see how it could be worse than the bud it came from.

jl420 · Mar 16, 2015

I'm doing my 1st run this Friday and I have a couple of questions for the FC community. I plan on freezing my can of tane overnight but should I put a unbleached filter soaked in iso near where the tip of the can goes into to prevent blow-back or is this more for larger amounts?(My glass extraction tube only holds 14gs packed) I was going to use 1 micron 25 screen or should I use two and should I freeze the screen overnight as well? I'm using a pyrex dish 8" by 8" 2" deep with a no/stick pad but does my warm water bath have to be in glass as well or can I use a metal pan 1" deep for my water bath purge? I'm not able to do a vac purge instead I was planning on doing a few warm water baths (as many needed to get the tane out) and then just let it air out for 3-5 days before testing. Any pointers would be much appreciated (2clicker/farscaper/ and DieHard suggestions have been most helpful & thank you)...

DieHard · Mar 16, 2015

jl420 said:
I'm doing my 1st run this Friday and I have a couple of questions for the FC community. I plan on freezing my can of tane overnight but should I put a unbleached filter soaked in iso near where the tip of the can goes into to prevent blow-back or is this more for larger amounts?(My glass extraction tube only holds 14gs packed) I was going to use 1 micron 25 screen or should I use two and should I freeze the screen overnight as well? I'm using a pyrex dish 8" by 8" 2" deep with a no/stick pad but does my warm water bath have to be in glass as well or can I use a metal pan 1" deep for my water bath purge? I'm not able to do a vac purge instead I was planning on doing a few warm water baths (as many needed to get the tane out) and then just let it air out for 3-5 days before testing. Any pointers would be much appreciated (2clicker/farscaper/ and DieHard suggestions have been most helpful & thank you)...

I use glass marbles in my tube to prevent blowback. This also helps distribute the tane a bit more evenly. I also freeze my tube filled and ready with the micron screens (two 25u )already in place. Then wrap tube and tane can in a towel to absorb condensation. DO NOT blast onto a No-stick pad. Only PTFE sheets are considered non reactive with butane. Blast onto Pyrex then scrape. It doesn't matter what kind of container you use for a water bath as long as it can handle the heat.

2clicker · Mar 17, 2015

jl420 said:
I'm doing my 1st run this Friday and I have a couple of questions for the FC community. I plan on freezing my can of tane overnight but should I put a unbleached filter soaked in iso near where the tip of the can goes into to prevent blow-back or is this more for larger amounts?(My glass extraction tube only holds 14gs packed) I was going to use 1 micron 25 screen or should I use two and should I freeze the screen overnight as well? I'm using a pyrex dish 8" by 8" 2" deep with a no/stick pad but does my warm water bath have to be in glass as well or can I use a metal pan 1" deep for my water bath purge? I'm not able to do a vac purge instead I was planning on doing a few warm water baths (as many needed to get the tane out) and then just let it air out for 3-5 days before testing. Any pointers would be much appreciated (2clicker/farscaper/ and DieHard suggestions have been most helpful & thank you)...

i cant help you with a tane blast. i dont do them, but with die hard, farscaper, and the other tane cowboys here you should be in good hands.

i am curious though to hear about what other think of your extended water bath/s purge and leaving it out for days.

DieHard · Mar 17, 2015

Way back when I first made bho after picking up this mag at the local bookstore.
http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2003/12/04/Honey-oil-made-easy
Anyway...my tek was very primitive. My water bath was a ziplock bag with hot tap water. I kept the film of oil very thin. A couple hours with that hot water bag method. After that I would let it sit for several days to a week in a cool, dark place to "cure" (my belief, because it seemed to taste better after).
There was no dabbing. It was all either smeared in a paper or in a bowl. I digress.
My point, I knew nothing of proper purge. But I did figure out that it was better after extended "cure".
@jl420 your method sounds good. Patience will pay. Keep it in a cool, dry, dark place. And remember:
Safety first. No tane-play indoors!

jl420 · Mar 18, 2015

Thank you for all your insight DieHard, I'll take some pics of the final product and post them as so as I can. I watched a bunch of BHO Fail videos last night on what not to do. Seems to be that the biggest mistake was these idiots were blasting indoors while they had their water bath on a gas stove. They had a nice start with alot of yeild then the glass dish just exploded. I'm blasting outside and i'm going to use a temp gauge just to make sure the water bath isn't any hotter than 150 dgs. If I end up with 1 gram of "wax" I'll be estatic.

herbivore21 · Mar 18, 2015

jl420 said:
Thank you for all your insight DieHard, I'll take some pics of the final product and post them as so as I can. I watched a bunch of BHO Fail videos last night on what not to do. Seems to be that the biggest mistake was these idiots were blasting indoors while they had their water bath on a gas stove. They had a nice start with alot of yeild then the glass dish just exploded. I'm blasting outside and i'm going to use a temp gauge just to make sure the water bath isn't any hotter than 150 dgs. If I end up with 1 gram of "wax" I'll be estatic.

Do not ever use an open flame near any solvent commonly used in extraction, up to and not only including but ESPECIALLY d-limonene.

Not in any way.

Not ever.

Open flames in a purge are a sure-fire (pun extremely intended) sign that the would-be extract artist should be expressing themselves in a medium using crayons, not solvents!

Also let me double down on Diehard and everyone else's warnings against ever blasting butane indoors. Basically if you aren't using a close-loop extractor in safe industrial/scientific lab conditions, blasting is outdoors!

canj00digit? · Mar 19, 2015

herbivore21 said:
Also let me double down on Diehard and everyone else's warnings against ever blasting butane indoors. Basically if you aren't using a close-loop extractor in safe industrial/scientific lab conditions, blasting is outdoors!

Triple down.

Definitely the #1 rule.
I honestly cannot believe there are people who do open blasts indoors.
I mean, the ignorance is astounding.
And I get angry every time I see a story about some shithead who 'blew their house up'.
Putting other's lives in danger, and hurting the image of the green movement overall by giving prohibitionists something to point at as a related 'public danger', and unfortunately it is when performed by fools.
Because of these sorts of incidents, the act of butane blasting is often equated to cooking meth by media/pundits when reporting on the explosions.

Being equated to a meth cook makes me feel a little irritated. :cuss:

aesthyrian · Mar 19, 2015

Let us also remind people that liquid butane in your house is a NO-NO. Just because you blast outside does not make your liquid pool of butane safe to bring inside to purge.

No blasting indoors, no purging of liquid butane indoors. Wait 'til that pool has dried up and then go ahead and purge inside.

But even blasting outdoors won't protect you from 3rd degree burns. Read, read, read. And then read even more. There is so much information online that there is absolutely no excuse to do this improperly and in an unsafe manner. I suggest researching the properties of butane first, and then read about making BHO. If you understand your solvent, then you can ensure that you are practicing the proper safety measures.

herbivore21 · Mar 19, 2015

aesthyrian said:
Let us also remind people that liquid butane in your house is a NO-NO. Just because you blast outside does not make your liquid pool of butane safe to bring inside to purge.

No blasting indoors, no purging of liquid butane indoors. Wait 'til that pool has dried up and then go ahead and purge inside.

But even blasting outdoors won't protect you from 3rd degree burns. Read, read, read. And then read even more. There is so much information online that there is absolutely no excuse to do this improperly and in an unsafe manner. I suggest researching the properties of butane first, and then read about making BHO. If you understand your solvent, then you can ensure that you are practicing the proper safety measures.

To be really honest and frank, I have never, ever felt the need to resort to butane. If you wanna work indoors, get ethanol lol

So much easier, so much less danger of explosion/fire etc and you can get better results more easily with ethanol with the right tek. The added benefit of not being out in the great outdoors for the whole world to see while you do this is really handy in a lot of situations!

Still, remember what I said above goes for any solvent. Any kind of source of spark/ignition near any of the solvents we use is just not safe!

2clicker · Mar 19, 2015

herbivore21 said:
To be really honest and frank, I have never, ever felt the need to resort to butane. If you wanna work indoors, get ethanol lol

So much easier, so much less danger of explosion/fire etc and you can get better results more easily with ethanol with the right tek. The added benefit of not being out in the great outdoors for the whole world to see while you do this is really handy in a lot of situations!

Still, remember what I said above goes for any solvent. Any kind of source of spark/ignition near any of the solvents we use is just not safe!

co-signed

jl420 · Mar 20, 2015

jl420 · Mar 20, 2015

Did my first run and thanx to everyone (DieHard you especially) my yield looks killer. I took pics but they don't seem to show on the site. I'll have to work on it. Best part it took 1 hour with clean up so a complete success with no explosions :clap:

Tstat · Mar 24, 2015

So, my tech is to use cold Everclear and frozen bud. I let them mingle for 3 minutes and pour through a strainer into a stainless bowl. From there, I strain it through 3 sizes of stainless and 2 natural coffee filters for good measure. I forget what the sizes are for the stainless but I know the last one is as small a micron as you can get.

From there, I let the pyrex dish sit for a couple of days with 2 filters over it and a fan blowing. I then scrape it into a pile and put it between 2 no-stick pads. I put it on a heating pad until it melts nicely together and then freeze it for 5-10 minutes. I had been putting the heating pad on high, but decided to go for a lower temp. Here is the first result:

Stuff was amazing, but as you can see, it needed a bit more time for that glass-like texture.

Here is the one I made today:

This was one of my best attempts, I think. Taste is amazing as it was made with Blueberry Haze.

I'm always looking for anything that can improve my technique, so if anyone has any suggestions or opinions! I have a shit-ton of smaller Critical Kush bud that I will be working with over the next few weeks. I also have trim from that harvest that I will be turning onto bubble. I may even start a new thread showing what you can do with the "leftovers" from a harvest.

I use everything but the roots!

Puffers · Mar 25, 2015

There are things you can do with the roots too! They contain non-psychoactive alkaloids that are useful for topical pain relief.

OldOyler · Mar 25, 2015

Puffers said:
There are things you can do with the roots too! They contain non-psychoactive alkaloids that are useful for topical pain relief.

Holy moley, I had NO idea.

And do you KNOW how much root material I throw away from even a single 5-gal bucket after dro? The bucket is almost full of root by harvest. (I "manifold", so the base has to be cut down with a hand saw if that gives you any idea of the root system supporting it - I've been throwing that away, too since it is like a small gum tree at the base, now I am rethinking that!).

I am going to go do some searching for how to process. @Puffers if you have any links, I would be very grateful!

Peace, and thanks!

Tstat · Mar 25, 2015

Yea, I'd like to hear about that as well. Currently we make bubble from trim, shatter from popcorn, and juice with the fan leaves

OK, so this is going to be fun!

Several ounces of VERY frosty Critical Kush.

Ran this last night with a tiny amount from the giant jar!

Nothing left to do but

oh and buy a couple of big bottles of Everclear!

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