MiniVAP Vaporizer
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Michel
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Ok, forget all I said regarding vapor quality. I'll wait until I have a reply from Hermes and/or a fully working unit before judging further. Excuse for derailing like 
even if much I said is still true, imo, and thx to all who read and answered to my very long posts. If your MVs can handle pure kief until only dust is left, mine is dead and I should have believed you all about my defective unit, because my can't properly but gives clouds anyway.
I respect your opinions at FC very much, this thread, the breaking s&b housings and the noisy volcano are the causes why I bought a MV! If you say the taste of the MV is better than the volcanos, I'm quite confident I can enjoy at least during day time and with friends like I did with the volcano before. I don't think the mighty is a real home unit so I would like to have a working desktop (I don't dislike to use), and the MV is the beautifulest and best designed I own so far.
I like the thought of having a transformer vape with an airpump between core and the detachable, easily replaceable batterie, or a good cooling unit. The modular design is great, the batterie and the core are staying much cooler than on the s&b units with cooling rips. Great isolation, great modular design. Still a lot to improve, some missing accessories and poor customer service from my point of view.
WT can be beautiful designed and I like the idea of having more humidity in the vapor, but I can't simply imagine WT having a place in my life (office, car, walking with the dog, me being to stoned for handling glass, kids would look at me like
)
Can't I simply send my unit in for upgrade to speed up things without a reply from Hermes? Still no answer since the last email I answered on Monday 11 am
even if much I said is still true, imo, and thx to all who read and answered to my very long posts. If your MVs can handle pure kief until only dust is left, mine is dead and I should have believed you all about my defective unit, because my can't properly but gives clouds anyway.I respect your opinions at FC very much, this thread, the breaking s&b housings and the noisy volcano are the causes why I bought a MV! If you say the taste of the MV is better than the volcanos, I'm quite confident I can enjoy at least during day time and with friends like I did with the volcano before. I don't think the mighty is a real home unit so I would like to have a working desktop (I don't dislike to use), and the MV is the beautifulest and best designed I own so far.
I like the thought of having a transformer vape with an airpump between core and the detachable, easily replaceable batterie, or a good cooling unit. The modular design is great, the batterie and the core are staying much cooler than on the s&b units with cooling rips. Great isolation, great modular design. Still a lot to improve, some missing accessories and poor customer service from my point of view.
WT can be beautiful designed and I like the idea of having more humidity in the vapor, but I can't simply imagine WT having a place in my life (office, car, walking with the dog, me being to stoned for handling glass, kids would look at me like
)Can't I simply send my unit in for upgrade to speed up things without a reply from Hermes? Still no answer since the last email I answered on Monday 11 am
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Tab
Nerd
Hehe, same story here, the road from the Cano to the mV... 
I`m one of the lucky guys, because I have one of those tank units, they seems to be undestroyable. My old unit had a small accident in the past and falled down, thought it will be broken and it would be my fault if its.
Nope nothing bad happend, works like a charm. My batterie has a little wiggle inside since then, which i need to send repairing soon, i guess...
Customer Service is indeed poor, they should work on that, since is not the cheapest vaporizer...
Contacting your local reseller is also a good idea, but i think you tried maybe.
I`m looking in the positive direction, which is not easy if you have trouble with the Unit and the Customer Service.
I`m sure, If it comes back, then you will like it, as the most of do.
Taste is really better on a working unit... if its not the best on the market, which I had the luck to try...
I read something about a cooling part which Hermes working on in this thread and also something about new batteries.
We will see, but i think they will improve it a lot in future.
Hehe, yeah that is indeed a big problem... not the best Portable Vaporizer, maybe the Air or the Solo will do this job better. I can imagine how the kids will ask question until you get nuts, specially for the watertools...
I`m not sure whats happend then... maybe someone else could be clearer on this topic.
I`m one of the lucky guys, because I have one of those tank units, they seems to be undestroyable. My old unit had a small accident in the past and falled down, thought it will be broken and it would be my fault if its.
Nope nothing bad happend, works like a charm. My batterie has a little wiggle inside since then, which i need to send repairing soon, i guess...
Customer Service is indeed poor, they should work on that, since is not the cheapest vaporizer...
Contacting your local reseller is also a good idea, but i think you tried maybe.
I`m looking in the positive direction, which is not easy if you have trouble with the Unit and the Customer Service.
I`m sure, If it comes back, then you will like it, as the most of do.
Taste is really better on a working unit... if its not the best on the market, which I had the luck to try...
I read something about a cooling part which Hermes working on in this thread and also something about new batteries.
We will see, but i think they will improve it a lot in future.
WT can be beautiful designed and I like the idea of having more humidity in the vapor, but I can't simply imagine WT having a place in my life (office, car, walking with the dog, me being to stoned for handling glass, kids would look at me like
Hehe, yeah that is indeed a big problem... not the best Portable Vaporizer, maybe the Air or the Solo will do this job better. I can imagine how the kids will ask question until you get nuts, specially for the watertools...
I`m not sure whats happend then... maybe someone else could be clearer on this topic.
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Michel
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I contacted my reseller, they didn't even knew about the gcmv being available to public. They don't have black tcmv left, neither, last 2 where send out on warranty and I don't think I like gold...
Btw I wouldn't vape in front of the kids anyway, but mighty and crafty are doing a great job with the filling aid to simplify my life when out of the house or hiding my activities during daytime at home or in the office. I like to have the MV in my jacket in the inside wallet pocket, too. The flexicone is just sticking out long enough to draw on it hands free. There isn't more discreet, even the crafty isn't more stealthy... At least when cold enough outside to wear a jacket. Gets nicely warm in the jacket, too. But your cloths will smell just like the MV whip....
I'm awaiting the CU too, but from what I read so far it might (there is my favorite word again
) take some time until available...
Probably Alfredo and Jose are preparing for spannabis....
Btw I wouldn't vape in front of the kids anyway, but mighty and crafty are doing a great job with the filling aid to simplify my life when out of the house or hiding my activities during daytime at home or in the office. I like to have the MV in my jacket in the inside wallet pocket, too. The flexicone is just sticking out long enough to draw on it hands free. There isn't more discreet, even the crafty isn't more stealthy... At least when cold enough outside to wear a jacket. Gets nicely warm in the jacket, too. But your cloths will smell just like the MV whip....
I'm awaiting the CU too, but from what I read so far it might (there is my favorite word again
) take some time until available...Probably Alfredo and Jose are preparing for spannabis....
Tab
Nerd
Yeah, I think they are really bussy with it.
But the good thing is, we could get further Information on the progress at Spannabis, maybe.
Ones up on a time, exactly 7 months ago.
I was out in the woods, walking with my girl and the mV in my hand.
Like it would be the normalest thing of this world.
What I`ve noticed is that nobody looked at my hand even while drawing with the Flexitube.
Maybe they thought this is a sort of energy drink bottle or something ^^
What will be happen when i do this in a big city?
But the good thing is, we could get further Information on the progress at Spannabis, maybe.
Ones up on a time, exactly 7 months ago.
I was out in the woods, walking with my girl and the mV in my hand.
Like it would be the normalest thing of this world.
What I`ve noticed is that nobody looked at my hand even while drawing with the Flexitube.
Maybe they thought this is a sort of energy drink bottle or something ^^
What will be happen when i do this in a big city?
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lwien
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Michel
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@Vapst
I'm often in different cities and tend to vape everywhere. Sometimes people are looking weird on the blinking crafty grenade or the blackndecker mighty power drill I suck on, but I see a lot of people with e cigs. Only once I heard somebody coughing hard from his "ecig" (looked like inh 005). Personally I think nobody would care apart police smelling MJ and looking where it comes from. The MV just looks like a bottle or a thermos can for coffee when just passing by.
It is more discret from smell than s&b portables cooking the herbs constantly which smells quite heavy even when not drawing.
Edit: I vape even in the underground subway or big stores in town with good ventilation system...
I'm often in different cities and tend to vape everywhere. Sometimes people are looking weird on the blinking crafty grenade or the blackndecker mighty power drill I suck on, but I see a lot of people with e cigs. Only once I heard somebody coughing hard from his "ecig" (looked like inh 005). Personally I think nobody would care apart police smelling MJ and looking where it comes from. The MV just looks like a bottle or a thermos can for coffee when just passing by.
It is more discret from smell than s&b portables cooking the herbs constantly which smells quite heavy even when not drawing.
Edit: I vape even in the underground subway or big stores in town with good ventilation system...
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bigmouth
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@Michel, I can't disagree with most of your specific criticisms of the MiniVAP or Hermes... but I have to say... it's a little ironic to see someone who owns a Crafty or Mighty complaining about design and build quality issues. I mean, I'm super happy with my Crafty, but reading some of the complaints on that thread makes my hair curl -- and I have a shaved head lol!
Hermes is a much smaller company than Storz-Bickel and the heater-core technology has changed significantly in the last six months. On top of that, they had unexpected build-quality issues. I suspect this perfect storm of issues simply overwhelmed them, forcing Hermes to put everything else on hold until they had a better understanding of the relevant technology.
None of this excuses the delays and silent treatment, of course. In particular, the treatment of @lazylightning strikes me as inexcusable. But I think it's important to remember the broader context.
Hermes is a much smaller company than Storz-Bickel and the heater-core technology has changed significantly in the last six months. On top of that, they had unexpected build-quality issues. I suspect this perfect storm of issues simply overwhelmed them, forcing Hermes to put everything else on hold until they had a better understanding of the relevant technology.
None of this excuses the delays and silent treatment, of course. In particular, the treatment of @lazylightning strikes me as inexcusable. But I think it's important to remember the broader context.
Michel
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@bigmouth
Like I said already, I buyed the MV because I wanted an all round unit, not 3-4 several vapes for all my needs like some could think. I was looking for "the one". Wanted to trade s&b portables for the MV just because of the shitty housings (not to talk about the other problems I never experienced, luckily). But here we are and I can't separate from s&b anymore, even if I wanted to. And now I got a MV with a shitty heater and s&b portables with shitty housings
they should make a baby...
But let's wait what Hermes says and if I can really enjoy the gcmv after I got the update, don't want to derail the discussion on my faulty unit....
Like I said already, I buyed the MV because I wanted an all round unit, not 3-4 several vapes for all my needs like some could think. I was looking for "the one". Wanted to trade s&b portables for the MV just because of the shitty housings (not to talk about the other problems I never experienced, luckily). But here we are and I can't separate from s&b anymore, even if I wanted to. And now I got a MV with a shitty heater and s&b portables with shitty housings
they should make a baby... But let's wait what Hermes says and if I can really enjoy the gcmv after I got the update, don't want to derail the discussion on my faulty unit....
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MinnBobber
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Yes, me too. It's just one of the mV character flaws---that make it so loveable???
By plugging in power cord first (then put mV in cradle), it seems to minimize sparks.
And to push into socket quickly
Edwardo
Active Member
Yea... this doesn't sound so good! All I'll say is keep the thing unplugged overnight and when your out of the house!
On another note, I'v just got my MV in the post! Its my third (I'v not had a working unit yet). The whole process started in August of last year and has certainly tested my patience at times, but I have to say that after a bit of a slow start, Hermes have been entirely responsive and have swapped my units twice! So I'm quite surprises to hear reports of bad service. I do feel for these guys - there are only two of them, and it sounds like they have had a real shit-storm of bad luck. I hope they get their issues sorted out. I should also point out that Vapefiend (UK vendor) was excellent - top class service from beginning to end of the matter.
The nature of the faults of my previous units were such that I was still able to, on occasion, get a taster of what MV is capable of... and it was good. I'll see over the next few days how this one performs, I hope its third time lucky!
Michel
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@Edwardo , I'm jealous about your patience. My deepest respect. Thx for sharing your experience. Makes me more confident and showed me one more time that my unit is defective, too. I should be more patient. Perhaps. I'm just not getting the firm policy no matter how much bad luck they had.
Is there anybody with a black MV from the newest batch having the same black color tone on battery, wall adapter, lid and core? My reseller proposed me a silver Tcmv from 2014 and like I read on the thread, the silver models have the same aluminum silver tone on all parts... Should I give a second try on a silver model or wait on the updated batch from 2015 (for weeks or months probably)?
I remember someone wrote the black cores from 2014 have "sporadic power drop" more often than silver cores from same batch, but I'm not sure about that and can't find this post anymore.
I know I'll have to send the mighty in a second time for warranty. Probably a few more times until s&b implemented the new housing design in production. Not happy about that. Some over-read I'm complaining also about s&b units build quality (not about the service). Love both designs, s&b and Hermes, like some over-read, too.
I need a discret, working backup in the near future, so I'm just thinking to warranty my unit for a silver tcmv from 2014 or buying just a single black glass core from Hermes and send my defective core in later, because buying is always way faster than warranty
...
A general problem, not only Hermes suffers from that, so please don't feel offended again because I criticized beloved Hermes. I know Alfredo and Jose are working hard and that they are probably on Spannabis right now.
Better re-read my perhaps to hard and not very understandfull, sometimes little bit ironical, but really objective criticism divided over several of my posts. Apart the vapor amount and quality caused due to the bad experience with my dead unit, of course, and one of the starting lines from my post where I said the MV is a joke. Apologized already for that. But let me explain this:
I said on the mighty thread I would never buy a S&B portable again if they where mobile phones. Because I'm disappointed of the build quality. Sadly there aren't much better mobile vapes out there, imo. @JJ Cool F asked me what where about the MV if it where a mobile phone, too. This is how I wrote down post number #4270 on page 171 moved buy the mods into this thread, saying the MV is a joke and it would be like buying a mobile phone with essential parts missing. The rest of the discussion was deleted...
It wasn't to bash or troll or something, so please don't feel offended anymore. I'm nitpicking also in the post # 4270, so there isn't even one little negative thing I found on the MV so far I not mentioned there. Like I said, I apologized already.
Don't forget the quite long mighty vs. minivap comparison I wrote down before accusing me to not being able to judge build quality, simply because I own the wrong devices, after your opinion.
This is exactly what I do most of the time at work. Judge, document and report build quality of (electro-) mechanical parts, components and systems ...
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but let's get btt, I derailed the thread several times with my unit now. I would be thankfull if someone could answer the questions above and help me to love the MV like you do without waiting 2 months like @lazylightning or @eduardo...
@Vapst
Would love to have a "mightyvap". It would be the perfect vape for me if I could only combine the advantages of boths.
But I don't even want to think about the ugly useless baby they would have if combining the drawbacks only of both units... Better have safer sex to prevent this case...
Is there anybody with a black MV from the newest batch having the same black color tone on battery, wall adapter, lid and core? My reseller proposed me a silver Tcmv from 2014 and like I read on the thread, the silver models have the same aluminum silver tone on all parts... Should I give a second try on a silver model or wait on the updated batch from 2015 (for weeks or months probably)?
I remember someone wrote the black cores from 2014 have "sporadic power drop" more often than silver cores from same batch, but I'm not sure about that and can't find this post anymore.
I know I'll have to send the mighty in a second time for warranty. Probably a few more times until s&b implemented the new housing design in production. Not happy about that. Some over-read I'm complaining also about s&b units build quality (not about the service). Love both designs, s&b and Hermes, like some over-read, too.
I need a discret, working backup in the near future, so I'm just thinking to warranty my unit for a silver tcmv from 2014 or buying just a single black glass core from Hermes and send my defective core in later, because buying is always way faster than warranty
...A general problem, not only Hermes suffers from that, so please don't feel offended again because I criticized beloved Hermes. I know Alfredo and Jose are working hard and that they are probably on Spannabis right now.
Better re-read my perhaps to hard and not very understandfull, sometimes little bit ironical, but really objective criticism divided over several of my posts. Apart the vapor amount and quality caused due to the bad experience with my dead unit, of course, and one of the starting lines from my post where I said the MV is a joke. Apologized already for that. But let me explain this:
I said on the mighty thread I would never buy a S&B portable again if they where mobile phones. Because I'm disappointed of the build quality. Sadly there aren't much better mobile vapes out there, imo. @JJ Cool F asked me what where about the MV if it where a mobile phone, too. This is how I wrote down post number #4270 on page 171 moved buy the mods into this thread, saying the MV is a joke and it would be like buying a mobile phone with essential parts missing. The rest of the discussion was deleted...
It wasn't to bash or troll or something, so please don't feel offended anymore. I'm nitpicking also in the post # 4270, so there isn't even one little negative thing I found on the MV so far I not mentioned there. Like I said, I apologized already.
Don't forget the quite long mighty vs. minivap comparison I wrote down before accusing me to not being able to judge build quality, simply because I own the wrong devices, after your opinion.
This is exactly what I do most of the time at work. Judge, document and report build quality of (electro-) mechanical parts, components and systems ...
)Edit:
but let's get btt, I derailed the thread several times with my unit now. I would be thankfull if someone could answer the questions above and help me to love the MV like you do without waiting 2 months like @lazylightning or @eduardo...
@Vapst
Would love to have a "mightyvap". It would be the perfect vape for me if I could only combine the advantages of boths.
But I don't even want to think about the ugly useless baby they would have if combining the drawbacks only of both units... Better have safer sex to prevent this case...
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Tab
Nerd
@Vapst
Would love to have a "mightyvap". It would be the perfect vape for me if I could only combine the advantages of boths.
But I don't even want to think about the ugly useless baby they would have if combining the drawbacks only of both units... Better have safer sex to prevent this case...
Sure yeah, safer sex seems to be legit in this case I guess
Edwardo
Active Member
Result... so far so good with my new MV(tc)! Had a good session on it last night, and three small baskets later I had to call it a night! The vapour is good and I worked through all the temps to get where I wanted (I'm a cheap-ass, so don't stop till my ABV is dark brown!). I definitely need a little bubbler or some kind of mouth piece mod, it all got a bit hot... suggestions welcome, I'm tempted to buy a cooling coil from S&B's plenty(€9) and try and rig it up. Anyone tried that?
@Michel: Im sorry to read about all your MV troubles - sounds similar to mine, and you DEFINITELY had a faulty machine. Once you get it working I think you'll like it. I have enjoyed reading your long 'ranting' posts, and have tended to agree with most of what you have said. 'Ranting' is fine when your points are valid, and yours were! I hope you get all your vapes in good working order. Vaping is proving to be a pita, and I have often had to revert back to joints because of faulty equipment, forcing me to go through the whole nicotine secession process again (which is difficult and causes some Dr Jeckle and Mr Hyde effects).
Don't worry, in 50 years or so we will have the required nano battery technology and plasma heating technology to create full proof vapes that will never run out of power and be the size of key rings.
@Michel: Im sorry to read about all your MV troubles - sounds similar to mine, and you DEFINITELY had a faulty machine. Once you get it working I think you'll like it. I have enjoyed reading your long 'ranting' posts, and have tended to agree with most of what you have said. 'Ranting' is fine when your points are valid, and yours were! I hope you get all your vapes in good working order. Vaping is proving to be a pita, and I have often had to revert back to joints because of faulty equipment, forcing me to go through the whole nicotine secession process again (which is difficult and causes some Dr Jeckle and Mr Hyde effects).
Don't worry, in 50 years or so we will have the required nano battery technology and plasma heating technology to create full proof vapes that will never run out of power and be the size of key rings.
lwien
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Michel
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Yeah, I realized already I ranted a lot, perhaps even too much.
But I'm the kind of guy who strives against the stream often. And I like to put a question mark over everything. Just remembering when I was a little preschool child: couldn't believe the sky is blue and annoyed anybody until I understood the light fraction myself.
I was like: "Air isn't blue, Mom, no? But why is the sky blue? Mom, are you sure you know what the color "blue" looks like exactly? (already thought I'm smarter than my mom who still helped me to clean my ass). Are you sure the sea has the same color than the sky? Really? But air isn't like water, no?
Exactly like I couldn't believe how you guys could know my unit is faulty in a second without even asking me heat up time or freezing or so. Already excused for that multiple times.
But I still think there has to be some marketing behind. Because I believe to know how a laminar flow is defined technically (flow speed, inner tubing friction, tubing form, length and diameter are the only variables you can influence to get a laminar flow if you aren't Lord himself), I have to think the MV isn't the only vape with laminar flow in the bowl with the incomplete infos I have so far, still not getting why the sky is blue. (Or it is simply as turbulent like the airflow from other vapes, at least when drawing very hard to disturb flow speed.) Vapes often have similar bowl sizes and tubings and so on. The only difference I believe to see so far is the air intake and the form of the heater. Couldn't find good pictures of the air path and the heater so far. Like I mentioned already, no rocket science...
But perhaps I just don't get it. I had the opportunity to discuss so many of these strange thoughts I have with S&B on the phone. They showed me their team, working for years on their portables, is much smarter than me being high all day. It could be so easy for Hermes. Just pick up the fucking phone or answer some of my nerdy emails. I could have discussed all that with him in person and tell you guys here how brilliant they are, just like I experienced with S&B. But sadly I'm getting on your nerves, now, not my Moms anymore and Hermes has a lot of other things to do than chat with me...
But I'm the kind of guy who strives against the stream often. And I like to put a question mark over everything. Just remembering when I was a little preschool child: couldn't believe the sky is blue and annoyed anybody until I understood the light fraction myself.
I was like: "Air isn't blue, Mom, no? But why is the sky blue? Mom, are you sure you know what the color "blue" looks like exactly? (already thought I'm smarter than my mom who still helped me to clean my ass). Are you sure the sea has the same color than the sky? Really? But air isn't like water, no?
Exactly like I couldn't believe how you guys could know my unit is faulty in a second without even asking me heat up time or freezing or so. Already excused for that multiple times.
But I still think there has to be some marketing behind. Because I believe to know how a laminar flow is defined technically (flow speed, inner tubing friction, tubing form, length and diameter are the only variables you can influence to get a laminar flow if you aren't Lord himself), I have to think the MV isn't the only vape with laminar flow in the bowl with the incomplete infos I have so far, still not getting why the sky is blue. (Or it is simply as turbulent like the airflow from other vapes, at least when drawing very hard to disturb flow speed.) Vapes often have similar bowl sizes and tubings and so on. The only difference I believe to see so far is the air intake and the form of the heater. Couldn't find good pictures of the air path and the heater so far. Like I mentioned already, no rocket science...
But perhaps I just don't get it. I had the opportunity to discuss so many of these strange thoughts I have with S&B on the phone. They showed me their team, working for years on their portables, is much smarter than me being high all day. It could be so easy for Hermes. Just pick up the fucking phone or answer some of my nerdy emails. I could have discussed all that with him in person and tell you guys here how brilliant they are, just like I experienced with S&B. But sadly I'm getting on your nerves, now, not my Moms anymore and Hermes has a lot of other things to do than chat with me...
bigmouth
Well-Known Member
I'm working on a long (and positive!) review of my updated replacement unit. In the meantime, I wanted to share a quick insight I had about the Herbie whip. Personally, I find the length a little cumbersome. So I decided to coil the whip up like a French horn and tie it with a velcro cord tie. A twist tie will do the job, too. You get all the same cooling benefits in a bit more compact form.
Kommyknocker
Well-Known Member
And I bet it plays beautiful music too! 
bigmouth
Well-Known Member
The music from my batch of Granddaddy Purple was so sweet I had to play a second encore before bedtime lol!And I bet it plays beautiful music too!
splitsurround
New Member
Hey guys. Well, I bought the herbie whip and figured out a way to get it connected. It definitely works- completely eliminates any harshness to the throat. But it also reduces flavor a bit, and I don't love having to draw SUPER long and deep to get trough the 3 feet of tube. Anybow, nothing ventured, nothing gained right?
So now I'm looking at sticking with the flexicone tubes. Seeing as how you can't reuse them forever (or does anyone know me have a trick for prolonging their life?), I want to buy about 6-8 more. Does anyone know of any online site to get them aside from minivap' site? Their shipping is almost 20$!
TLDR: need recommendation for where to get flexicone replacements and other MV accessories aside from mv's site. Thanks!
So now I'm looking at sticking with the flexicone tubes. Seeing as how you can't reuse them forever (or does anyone know me have a trick for prolonging their life?), I want to buy about 6-8 more. Does anyone know of any online site to get them aside from minivap' site? Their shipping is almost 20$!
TLDR: need recommendation for where to get flexicone replacements and other MV accessories aside from mv's site. Thanks!
Michel
Well-Known Member
Just cut the herbie whip to your desired length. You don't need the whole whip to cool the vapor down, it is too long to draw comfortable imo ...
Edit: you can get a 8mm (?) silicone whip and cut it in different lengths and stick the flexicone + in to find your length before cutting the herbie whip. Should be cheaper...
Edit: you can get a 8mm (?) silicone whip and cut it in different lengths and stick the flexicone + in to find your length before cutting the herbie whip. Should be cheaper...
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splitsurround
New Member
Good call. So you're saying to cut the herbie whip to desired length, then attaché to one of the flexicone tubes with some sort of intermediate tubing?