Discontinued Pax 2

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Ojan_at_PAX

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Just wanted to pop in and share the official temperature range for PAX 2 since i just got word:

360ºF (182ºC) - Low to 420ºF (216ºC) - High

nopartofme said:
I'm thinking the same thing, presuming that the sensor is capacitative like a smartphone touchscreen? That is, it requires contact with something electrically conductive like skin. (@scott_dunlap? @Ojan_at_PAX?)
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I'll see what I can find out for ya!
 
2 Paces

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Ojan_at_PAX said:
Just wanted to pop in and share the official temperature range for PAX 2 since i just got word:

360ºF (182ºC) - Low to 420ºF (216ºC) - High
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that mean it offers both a lower and a higher temp than the Pax? Pretty cool. :cool:

(I think the original is a 370-410 range, but I could be wrong)
 
scott_dunlap

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pakalolo said:
I repeated my experiment and my guess was accurate. You can't just tap it, you have to maintain contact for a second or so.
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Yeah, that was what I was going to suggest. The PAX 2 uses capacitive sensing, so it should work for both lip and finger, but we've tuned the sensitivity for the lip. An extra second with the finger should trigger it.
 
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Chill Dude

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Ojan_at_PAX said:
Just wanted to pop in and share the official temperature range for PAX 2 since i just got word:

360ºF (182ºC) - Low to 420ºF (216ºC) - High
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Nice! I like that it's going up to 420F on the high end. There are many that like to vape at the higher temperature range for both effect and dense clouds. Thanks for the update...
 
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invertedisdead

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Been away for a while and come back to this... interesting!
Never used the original Pax. I heard lots of good. And lots of bad about it. New and improved things I like. Been using the Arizer Air since it came out. Gotten kind of bored of it. It's super efficient though. This interests me, but at that price I wonder if I would be better served to go to the Crafty. If I'm gonna spend $300 I might as well spend $400 (great justification system, huh?) :D
 
Vapormatic

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invertedisdead said:
Never used the original Pax. I heard lots of good. And lots of bad about it. New and improved things I like. Been using the Arizer Air since it came out. Gotten kind of bored of it. It's super efficient though. This interests me, but at that price I wonder if I would be better served to go to the Crafty. If I'm gonna spend $300 I might as well spend $400 (great justification system, huh?) :D
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With PAX2, expect the same great User Interface, Customer Service, Packaging & Instructions that come with PAX1!

Oh, expect it to rip as good or better than before if you can enjoy the higher temp setting.
 
natural farmer

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invertedisdead said:
Been away for a while and come back to this... interesting!
Never used the original Pax. I heard lots of good. And lots of bad about it. New and improved things I like. Been using the Arizer Air since it came out. Gotten kind of bored of it. It's super efficient though. This interests me, but at that price I wonder if I would be better served to go to the Crafty. If I'm gonna spend $300 I might as well spend $400 (great justification system, huh?) :D
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although the Crafty is a powerhouse, there are some serious drawbacks still. I would suggest going for the PAX 2 for the moment...
 
pakalolo

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SmorezNTickles said:
So a quick question, if benzene begins to vaporize at 392F, why are there temps that surpass the "safe zone?"

Edit: Never mind I found an old thread:
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/vaping-temperatures-why-go-higher.1748/
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Because some people need or perhaps just want the components found at higher temperatures, and are willing to take the risk. Some of us, like me, don't care.

RelaxedNow said:
Weed contains benzene? I must have missed part of the conversation.
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No, beneze and other polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons begin to form at higher temperatures.

Back on topic: I like the expanded temperature range and it makes more sense than simply using the original Pax temperature range. Assuming the divisions are equal (and why wouldn't they be?) we have:

182°C (360°F) One petal
193°C (380°F) Two petals
204°C (400°F) Three petals
215°C (420°F) Four petals
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I would have preferred a lower starting point, say 170°C (~340°F). Maybe next time.
 
SmorezNTickles

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pakalolo said:
Because some people need or perhaps just want the components found at higher temperatures, and are willing to take the risk. Some of us, like me, don't care.



No, beneze and other polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons begin to form at higher temperatures.

Back on topic: I like the expanded temperature range and it makes more sense than simply using the original Pax temperature range. Assuming the divisions are equal (and why wouldn't they be?) we have:

182°C (360°F) One petal
193°C (380°F) Two petals
204°C (400°F) Three petals
215°C (420°F) Four petals
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I would have preferred a lower starting point, say 170°C (~340°F). Maybe next time.
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I guess what I'm getting at is, is it at a dosage low enough to where it doesn't really matter? Because if I were to get the Pax 2, I want to be able to utilize all temp settings.
 
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pakalolo

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SmorezNTickles said:
I guess what I'm getting at is, is it at a dosage low enough to where it doesn't really matter? Because if I were to get the Pax 2, I want to be able to utilize all temp settings.
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That's for you to judge. I don't know what level of risk you're prepared to take. I know it's not even on my radar, given what I'm exposed to just living in a large metropolitan area.

Good luck finding data on the quantity. If you find any, I don't know what you'll compare them with because there is no safe exposure value for inhaled benzene. Since it is considered carcinogenic, any exposure is dangerous. The catch here is that most of us are exposed to fairly high levels of benzene every day in the air we breathe. If you go anywhere near a running car, for example, you're inhaling benzene. It's worse if you drive around in one. If the amount of benzene in vapour scares you, I recommend that you stay well away from gas stations and get an electric car immediately.

We now return to your regular thread. Thanks for your patience during this brief interruption.
 
Bandoo

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I would like to ask the good Pax rep if it has been stoner drop tested like from lap height onto wood floor or rug?
If so does the oven cover still pop off and what about the new mouthpiece?
The mouthpiece popped off very infrequently on the 1 I guess because it had a shaft running into the body stabilizing it. But the oven cover all the time.
So if the new design mouthpieces are not more prone to falling off and the oven cover stays on better than the 1 these would be a significant improvement. Especially the oven cover..
I dont want to be searching for 2 parts now.
Could we get any comment on this from the Pax rep please?
Thank you.
 
jambandphan03

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just basing this on a guess... I would think that unless the new oven cover has much stronger magnets, high enough impact drop would still be likely to pop it loose, like the first pax, but the mouthpiece is no longer spring loaded (my first pax lost the mp and oven cover every time I dropped it) and looks like a snug press fit into the top, silicone can be clingy and more pliable, so much less likely to just go flying off, esp. the low profile flat top mp. Of course, these are gueses, based on previous experience with my old pax and what I know about the new one's improvements. I'd like to know what the reps have to say too :D

I sure am excited to have this one!! time is crawling by really slooooow right now :p

I don't plan on dropping mine on purpose, but if I do, I will be sure to mention if it drops any parts on the impact.
 
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lwien

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pakalolo said:
That's for you to judge. I don't know what level of risk you're prepared to take. I know it's not even on my radar, given what I'm exposed to just living in a large metropolitan area.
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Ok, I know this is off topic but being that the above perspective was layed out, I have a totally different one that may add a bit of balance.

I've heard it said many times, "Well, we're exposed to it anyway so it's no big deal." For the most part, exposure to toxins is a cumulative affair, that is, the more you're exposed to it, the higher the risk. For me, just because I'm exposed to something does not mean that I should abdicate my choices in limiting any further exposure.

But yeah, it's a risk/reward ratio that is a very personal choice. For me, while I don't have the power to eliminate many of the risks that I am exposed to, when I am presented with the power to eliminate some of them, I'll typically take it unless the reward is so great that it overcomes the risk.
 
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pakalolo

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Neither of mouthpieces will come off accidentally. The friction fit is snug and it takes specific effort to remove one.

I have not done a drop test and I won't, but I think the oven lid is a lot less likely to come off because it is smaller and lighter. I think the magnets are the same but the strength-to-weight ratio has increased the holding power enough to make a difference.

lwien said:
Ok, I know this is off topic but being that the above perspective was layed out, I have a totally different one that may add a bit of balance.

I've heard it said many times, "Well, we're exposed to it anyway so it's no big deal." For the most part, exposure to toxins is a cumulative affair, that is, the more you're exposed to it, the higher the risk. For me, just because I'm exposed to something does not mean that I should abdicate my choices in limiting any further exposure.

But yeah, it's a risk/reward ratio that is a very personal choice. For me, while I don't have the power to eliminate many of the risks, when I am presented with the power to eliminate some of them, I'll typically take it.
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Based on my research, I concluded that the increase in risk over the amount of benzene exposure most of experience is not worth considering. That is not the same as "Well, we're exposed to it anyway so it's no big deal." Now can we stay on topic please?
 
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How many sessions can you get from 1 pack? And how does it work with a loose pack as apposed to a tight pack.
 
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OnCloud8

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So @BuzzDanklin has both the Grasshopper and the Pax2 now, and has posted a few pics of both together, most recently outside in his hand...I've been really on the fence about which one of these I would pick up for a portable and I have to say, seeing the Pax 2 in a hand, next to the Grasshopper, the Pax2 just seems SO MUCH more stealth in it's form factor....just looks like "misc electronics", which most of us are carrying around a variety of such things these days, where as the hoppper is "pen not pen" which is actually a bit of a tell I think...

I just think the vagueness of the Pax2 would allow me to literally just openly display it in my purse, sitting among the other various things in my health/beauty compartment it will blend in nicely I believe...although it might go better in my "electronics, phone, hard drive" compartment.

TL/DR. I'm fairly certain I'm grabbing the Pax2 once I read a few more reviews. @pakalolo 's posts have me almost excited enough to pre-order, but I'd like to read a few more reports first before I pull the trigger.

April can't come fast enough....
 
BuzzDanklin

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@OnCloud8 they are both really sneaky. With the GH I just leave it clipped on my pocket like a pen, (or you could clip it to a check book or something in your purse for added stealth) and it blends in really well. With the Pax2, like you mentioned, since the new mouthpiece is flat, it just looks like an electronics device. If you need to be really stealthy, take a pair of earbud headphones, and wrap them around the Pax2 before throwing them into your purse and it will look like an ipod :)
 
OnCloud8

OnCloud8

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BuzzDanklin said:
@OnCloud8 they are both really sneaky. With the GH I just leave it clipped on my pocket like a pen, (or you could clip it to a check book or something in your purse for added stealth) and it blends in really well. With the Pax2, like you mentioned, since the new mouthpiece is flat, it just looks like an electronics device. If you need to be really stealthy, take a pair of earbud headphones, and wrap them around the Pax2 before throwing them into your purse and it will look like an ipod :)
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Gotcha! I can see how clipped to your back pocket works well...but I can't clip it to my skirt or dress of course...and I never carry a checkbook or notebook so I don't have that "analog writing" compartment already in my bag...I guess I could start carrying a little journal around with me, and I could clip it on there...but that seems a bit forced you know?

I was just sorta thinking out loud about how I feel like the Pax2 will fit in great with what is already in my purse, and I think it's the best choice for me. The ipod idea is perfect!

Thanks to you for your reviews and postings about them both, it has really helped me with the decision process. :)
 
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OnCloud8 said:
So @BuzzDanklin has both the Grasshopper and the Pax2 now, and has posted a few pics of both together, most recently outside in his hand...I've been really on the fence about which one of these I would pick up for a portable and I have to say, seeing the Pax 2 in a hand, next to the Grasshopper, the Pax2 just seems SO MUCH more stealth in it's form factor....just looks like "misc electronics", which most of us are carrying around a variety of such things these days, where as the hoppper is "pen not pen" which is actually a bit of a tell I think...
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I had the same dilemma as you did regarding whether to get the Grasshopper or Pax 2. After much thought, I determined the best solution was to buy both!! I'll probably use the Grasshopper primarily for low temp sipping and use the Pax 2 as my go to portable for higher temp mega clouds!! Not that the Grasshopper can't produce significant clouds because it can. I just think that the Grasshopper will be too harsh at the highest temp setting... So I might be hitting the Hopper at 380F and the Pax at 400F to 420F.

I think they'll both be awesome little portables, but of course Pax has years of experience in the vaporizer game while Grasshopper is a start up new to the game. That said, if I had to pick one... I'd go with the Pax 2!
 
Delta3DStudios

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Chill Dude said:
I think they'll both be awesome little portables, but of course Pax has years of experience in the vaporizer game while Grasshopper is a start up new to the game. That said, if I had to pick one... I'd go with the Pax 2!
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Well put - feel the same way. Ultimately for me, I hesitated on the price for the Pax2, decided the GH was a better bang for the buck if it lives up to it's promises. (And I have plenty of other vapes to keep me company!)

In other news, I've already started work on a "multi-fit" waterpipe adapter for the Pax2 - it will fit both 14mm and 18mm waterpipes. I hope to have an accessory for sale before the end of April.
 
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I finally pre-ordered mine and someone at a local headshop was saying that there was going to be a delay in it's release. Has anyone else heard this? I don't recall seeing any message like that on the pax site.
 
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