MiniVAP Vaporizer

Kommyknocker

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The caps are flimsy at best in my experience.. Not well designed for durability. That being said mines came apart after much tinkering that involved being anything but gentle with it.
Since imo best home use method is basket module being kept seperate from the core it never bothered me overly..
A single piece design should be easy for Hermes to produce. Even were it just to include some threading to mate the two pieces more securely with the preferred adhesive.

@mixchu69
I keep meaning to do a comprehensive test of the battery capacity.. But MJ and.. Wait what was that thing I was gonna do again? :whoa:
 

Michel

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Ok, I feel quite bad and guilty after hating the beautiful Minivap even if everything I said about it is fully true, imo.
But there are things in a loving relationship (I have with all of my vapes) you shouldn't scream out loud in front of the whole neighborhood.
So I just want to call in memory one of my previous, more objective posts and give a better comparison for those new users who didn't get all questions answered before making your decision. Also be aware that I might (I love the word "might" since I have a mighty even if it's stupid; I will look up "craft" in the dictionary in just a second :lol:) have a defective unit. I had really nice smooth sessions with the MV a few times like others on the forum, too, just not as constantly, heavy hitting and trustful like I got them with my beloved mighty... Just my experience so far. Tried to medicate with MV the today since I stood up. I left my other units at home. Just to say I didn't have given up on it even if I'm not posting about my issues in the MV forum anymore before I had time to work out a solution with Hermes myself.


Easiness of use depends on how you load the vape. Direct loading is comfortable with MV. Basket and flexicone takes some more time but you don't have to clean the MV at all (just the whip).
Filling aid for Mighty is great outdoors but mighty doesn't stand from itself easily on a table and cleaning the CU is a PITA.
Mighty has less parts to mess around. If you want to take your desktop vape with you all day every day or want to use outside, the mighty is better. Mighty has a car charger, too
Advantage of MV: you can preload 5-10 flexicones at home and just switch them on the go.
Mighty is more conductive and squeezes every little bit of thc out of your herbs, but tastes diminishes towards the end. Can finish a bowl on 210 without coughing. MV wins in taste, especially to the end but is harsh on red. MV (and Volcano, too) gives me the feeling there is some cBD left. Of every ABV I had from other vapes, the mighty gives me at least one more CBD rich ugly tasting hit, if not 2! Personally I like it! Close to combustion from the body effects if temp is around 200'C. MV is hitting good, also.
MV's manual is Spanish, and the mouthpiece is shitty in my opinion. Way too hot. You have to get water or a whip. Doesn't make the unit handier. Burns your lips if you are used to Mighty if not adapting mouth piece.
Mighty can't change batteries and can't run on AC only (but runs with dead batteries directly!). MV batterie life cycle should be much better. Expect to change the batteries in Mighty after a year or 2 at least depending on usage and if you baby it.
Mighty heats up a lot faster. MV Stars hot longer. Mighty is easier to use overall and has no learning curve. No matter how you draw or load your bowl! It goes through everything, even trough pieces of marokkan hashish or pure kief ( gunks up fast, but MV can't vaporise hash or oil as good as the mighty because of no conduction, imo.)
Mighty has some problems with housing but customer service is good and FAST! Hermes is much harder to contact and warranty is slower, but he does all what 2 persons can do!
Cloud production on Mighty is insane, MV should be good, too (not mine yet but I am confident)
Minivap is much heavier. There is not many pockets I have on my cloths with this size. MV is more a batterie around the home unit. Mighty is more a heavy hitting portable unit, my best buddy!:love: I use it and the crafty exclusevliy!


Edit: the MV is so beautiful with its Apple like aluminum body, each time I get it out with me or a friend uses it (with rings on the finger :rant:) I'm scared to scratch it. The mighty is more an Nokia 3210, you can throw it in the same pocket with your keys if you have a screen protection.

I like the way the mighty communicates very clear with me, the UI is great with display for Infos about temp and batterie and the vibrating feature can be great, too.
With the MV I have sometimes the feeling it does not now what it wants to tell me exactly. Had to ask myself a lot before I understood the weird batterie indicator. And it's really changing colors from red to yellow and green and back on to yellow...

The vibration and auto-shutoff can be annoying on the mighty when you want silent vaping.
I like the MV for not cooking the herbs and not switching off itself so fast. I can do other things while vaping and just take a hit every 2 or 3 minutes if I want. Mighty wants your attention every minute by hitting or clicking, MV stands there politely with its black dress without disturbing you by doing whatever, until you think it's time to hit...

Edit 2: I have the tcmv, from what I read so far the gcmv should behave more like a mighty, without vibrating impolitely :lol:


Ok, let's get back to topic and forget about the Minivap before one of the mods jumps in. Comparisons can cause wars after what I've heard...
 
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DO

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Having just received a replacement MV and having assumed it would have a glass core, I'm wondering if I should be able to visually see if it's glass or Teflon without taking anything apart. Should the glass be in plain view? Or is it obscured by a liner? Thanks anybody in the know!
 
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Kommyknocker

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Should be in plain view.. But see through afaik..
Should it be Teflon, it'll have the white visible liner.
 
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DO

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Thanks. Apparently I have Teflon then. All I see is white. It's from VaporNation, who assures me it's the most current version, although I think someone around here said they're only stocking the new models which have glass cores.
 
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Kommyknocker

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Well strictly speaking there are two "latest models" GcMv and TcMv..
Both versions contain the newest heating system and firmware. If you can see white and can remove the white lining.. You're TcMv'd
 
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Michel

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There are glass cores and also Teflon cores in the most current versions...
If you want an experience near the glass core, the decarboxylation kit could be for you after what I read.
 

kimura

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@Michel - I agree that there have been some major quality control issues with the miniVAP. I personally have had to return two failed units. I suspect that Hermes sold a whole bunch of units that should have been thrown in the trash. this has done pretty serious damage to their brand. kinda reminds me of the Diamond Star Motors fiasco of the mid 90's. This was the joint venture between Mitsubishi and Chrysler which spawned the Mitsu Eclipse/Eagle Talon/Plymouth Laser. They literally ran out of engine parts when producing the 2nd gen cars, and started using parts of the shelf to build their engines instead of the correct parts... result was crankshafts that worked themselves loose and caused connecting rods to be liberated from the engine block. they should have never sold these cars. it did lasting damage and basically devalued the brand. despite the fact that the original engine design was actually quite good (the 1st gen cars actually have pretty stout motors). basically a business decision was made to sacrifice quality. IMO it's a terrible decision to make, and is almost never the right choice. I don't know if Hermes actually did this with the MV but I strongly suspect that they did just that. so I do hear your concerns about the company itself.

The lack of communication from Hermes reported by many users is truly egregious, although I haven't personally experienced that at all... they have been very responsive to me?

I also agree that the mouthpiece options that Hermes provides are a bit dubious. the miniVAP needs to be optimized by the user, which can be a real problem for people who don't like to mod things. it's a connoisseur platform for vapor nerds. not for everyone.

however, the simple fact is that I own a crafty and have logged hours with the mighty, and both of my new (teflon and glass) miniVAP units can produce bigger clouds (indeed, massive clouds way too big for me), better flavor (subjective), and better effects (probably mostly attributable to all of the condensate that accumulates in the S&B cooling units). the only advantage the S&B units have in my eyes are that they heat up faster and and are simpler and more convenient to use when you are out of the house / on the go. I don't share any of your concerns with the fit and finish of the miniVAP, although I have seen others post with their with problems with the lid and such. the issues with the S&B portables are well documented too.

this entire market is still quite immature

pretty sure your miniVAP is broken BTW
 

lazylathe

Almost there...
Still the glass bowl retains a lot more heat throughout the session.
I found last night if I bumped the temp up to Green I could replicate the Crafty flavor, very robust and intense!

The glass bowl has changed how my TCMV a behaves!! I like it a lot at Blue but not at Green especially dry. Still have to test with my WT's through the temp ranges.
 

Michel

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@kimura

I personally don't like the MV more than S&B units until yet. Some people don't want to agree with me but this is why forums are there, to say what you think and to have nice discussions. So the post above was moved in this thread and is taken out of context because discussion derailed a little on mighty thread, it's not me disturbing your chat with my faulty unit, again, just to be clear.

I'll simply answer what you stated out.

I have no problem about sending my units to warranty if it's not caused due misinformation before buying. I just signed up here, but I followed the entire MV thread since buying the volcano on 2013. So I think I knew quite all the problems user had experienced so far in this thread, including the freezing, well-designed, not to short, continually reinvented mouthpiece :rolleyes: before buying! I saw WT's, glass straw, cut and inverted flexicones and so on. Like your ideas a lot. But dog hair on silicone isn't nice, flexicone is still to hot if not adapting with a mouth piece and I don't use WT, they just don't fit in my lifestyle and I was more a joint smoker so I don't enjoy finishing my bowls in 3-4 hits, even if I coud. I don't think any lungs can take all the thc contained in so much vapor in just a few draws, but this is imo and another discussion.

I never read here the MV isn't for long sessions. And I'm fully ok with very long draws. I just can't spend a bowl like a bong hit. But I have the impression this is how the MV should be used, with WT. I have a 50cm whip full of dust and dog hair here, I read about the herbie whip, too, but I can't help me, the volcano has still much better vapor quality, less harsh. But I have a defective unit from what I know so far....

Hermes contact formular und phone number isn't working, he is fully aware. I knew that before and it was still hard for me to get him. Imagine I didn't had read the entire MV thread. How can an average user, not signed in on FC, get in contact with Hermes? Nearly impossible. This is not how business should be made. I think this is very impolite, but who am I.... Just a S&B groupie.

I'm not a vapor nerd, but a full time stoner who estimated the MV to perform like the volcano in terms of vapor quality. I like tweaking. Like I said, I knew that before buying. Like I said too, I'm an engineer and engineers probably like tweaking a lot. There was a post from someone with the idea of using a cooling coil to cool the vapor. I figured out already how I will connect it to the MV lid and the flexicone, but it will cost me some € and I'm just waiting if my unit is defective (shitty, low quality parts like you said yourself, I never thought of that myself. Only read about a failing batches in the end of 2014, vapefiend didn't sell MV for a month or so)
I think bad about S&B's housings, too, poorly designed, even if they are made of polycarbonate which can really be shock resistant and even save live where aluminum and wood can't resist anymore, if designed right. My S&B units are breaking constantly but s&b took 1 week to warranty my unit (with shipping time).
Hermes took 1 week to answer me and to ask when and where I did buy my unit...
I know they are probably on Spannabis Festival where I would be too if living in Spain, but I am an understandfull FC-member with "insider infos" thx to you all, not the regular customer.

I agree with your posting, so don't feel offended. But I'm doing business with Hermes, not smoking or vaping with him. At least he should show a little bit more interest towards his customers. I'm not the only one thinking this way if you read the entire thread, too.
The market is imature, you're right. The MV isn't. 4-5 years should be enough to resolve most of the R&D mistakes. Did you see the different color tones of black units? Imagine you're not buying a new beloved best buddy, but a car, a phone, a television. I know this market is new, but engineering isn't, and there is no rocket science to heat up a block of aluminum to a preset temperature, even if most of vaporizer enterprises wants you to believe this. Where is the laminar heat flow with 50% extraction of thc? Mighty hits like a train, and like you said very much residue condenses in the CU which I dislike and is a pita to clean. I have a solution for that, too, but hot vapor is more bitter from what I experienced so far so I just wait for a running gcmv before I'll tweak, buy, cut or glue anything even if that means spending 250€ in a new core again...

I don't judge without ever having tried a fully working unit, I think. Like I said too, I had sessions much nicer than with S&B portable units regarding taste and clouds if preheating and packing right and so on (at least 50% at the time), but taste is still far behind the volcano. Each time I use the MV I get effects and I have no insomnia, so it works in a way. Blue whispy clouds on pink or green, 3-6 heavy clouds if starting and hitting at red directly. Even, brown ABV.

But to be true, even the volcano has a hard work to satisfy my needs. I didn't expected the MV to hit harder, but taste should be the same (it isn't, volcano is much better, and I don't need dense clouds to judge taste).

Perhaps it's just me craving for conduction signatures... I combusted 5g a day until I got the Crafty who overdosed me with one full batterie charge. Never experienced this ever before from all my Vapes, and I used the Volcano on 225 degrees, 1-2g top shelf bud (better than bedrocan's and Fagron's weed, the supplier of german dispensaries, and also better than most of Netherland weed from tourist coffee shops around Amsterdam apart 3-4 stores I know from local people living there ) slightly tamped down in a very full bowl and I swear none of you could empty this first 2 completely white bags with 2 large draws without coughing even through the nose with exploded lungs, I only can take a mouth full exactly like combusting a joint and there are still clouds when I exhale, so dense and concentrated the volcano vapor is. I dislike the volcano effects anyway, only strong enough when combusting in between, so I combusted 2 years until I got the crafty 3 months ago. Perhaps I'm just a newbie to vaporize and can't appreciate the minivap, but the crafty made me stop combusting after daily (ab-)use for years! Even if S&B portables are tasting roasted on 200 degrees, pure joints aren't better, neither uplifting volcano or MV highs, imo. So I live with it to get sedated...

Edit: falsely accusing the mods for deleting criticism, just found my post thx to @I.b.vaping ,I apologize very much :bowdown: sry for that
 
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Kommyknocker

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@Michel.. I agree. Any Mv user not on FC or similar forums would struggle to contact Hermes with a timely response.. It is unacceptable.. Completely..
And yeah 4 years should definitely be enough time to iron out issues.
I also have to state though.. When I have a working mv, nothing I've tried can best the taste and efficiency.
When I have had to send it back for repair/replacement I literally almost stop vaping altogether. I'm a taste chaser! And nothing I've tried matches the drool inducing Mv.
 

DO

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My search did not reveal the existence of a user manual in English. The positive spin I saw was having a great subject for practice with my Spanish. That lasted 5 minutes. I know I saw the English manual somewhere before. Can any kind person properly direct me?
 

Smknbud

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When I have had to send it back for repair/replacement I literally almost stop vaping altogether. I'm a taste chaser! And nothing I've tried matches the drool inducing Mv.

I have to concur. God only knows I've done my fair share of bitchin and moaning here while waiting for and during sending back multiple failed MV's for replacement. But the truth is that when I have a working MV, it's used almost exclusively, and I have numerous back ups, actually I should refer to them now as secondary vapes, that just are sitting around idle most of the time. You wouldn't think that after multiple returns I or anyone else would put themselves through the repeated aggravation over and over, but it performs like no other vape I own, so, as strange as it may sound, I'd do it again if I have to in a heart beat, bitching included. Hopefully that won't be the case because #3 TCmV that I have now is functioning as perfect as the first day I got it. Knock on wood.
 

Michel

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@DO

I'm quite sure there is no English manual, apart the very short one on the Hermes home page. The manual in Spanish seems to be very old since blue is 140 degrees...

@ all

Like I said, I'm confident but still quite unsure if Gcmv or a running tcmv suits my personal needs after what I read. I'll get the update or a gcmv anyway. But if someone would ask me, I would consider the mighty much better apart taste and housing. Every single joint smoker hitting both or more of my devices are thinking the crafty is the best (they don't want to believe batterie is weak, so they probably would prefer the mighty). Only one heavy bong smoker prefered the MV on red with long whip because of taste. But let him grind, fill and air seal the MV himself.... Nobody liked the volcano.

Edit:
@Vapst perhaps somebody who has a volcano and a MV could jump in. Would like to know if the MV really should taste better.

Edit 2: if one of you can try pure kief (silver kush, 190 micron, very slightly tamped down) in the gcmv or the new tcmv and can confirm that in the bowl is only dust left without any sticking residue, I'll buy a gcmv in a second for backup and send the tcmv in for upgrade.

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This is what the mighty can handle...
 
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Kommyknocker

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@DO

I'm quite sure there is no English manual, apart the very short one on the Hermes home page. The manual in Spanish seems to be very old since blue is 140 degrees...
X2 only seen the homepage short English version of the manual..
 
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Kommyknocker

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It most probably is just a reiterated version of the English version though no? As in just as bitty and vague.
Manual kinda sounds like a Spanish dude though :D
 
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stickstones

Vapor concierge
There is only the quick start guide in English. The full manual is only in Spanish. A translation is in the works but all the recent firmware changes have slowed the process.
 
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Tab

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@Vapst perhaps somebody who has a volcano and a MV could jump in. Would like to know if the MV really should taste better.

Me as a Fanboy prefering the mV`s taste more then Valcono`s one.
But the volcano is a very good Unit and the taste is also very good.
What I love from the Volcano is the durability and the materials on the unit. Power is also a big plus here. Don`t like the noise and the vaping from bags, too. Which brings me to buy a mV afterwards. :)

The mV has modification features like Modulok! I like also the portability from it. Love to sit on my desk, thinking about how to improve my setups. Thats fun for me...
Need to say that the hot Air on the mV is a little issue, i also think its possible to avoid it with a nice cooling setup... Water or Dry...

A small example how i like to use it these days.

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I can`t compare my both units with the mighty or crafty since I`m not able to test one of those guys. Are they conduction Vaporizers, btw ?



Edit: Sadly have no kief since I`m not using my grinder anymore... :(

Edit2: After watching these pictures, found myself getting a driping wet mouth... :drool:
#bowl loading mode active!!!#
 
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lazylathe

Almost there...
@Michel

I have an analog Volcano and a TVMV.
The first new bag from the Cano is sublime, any bag after that does not taste as good. I find the flavor gets a bit diffused if you use the same bag with a lot of different strains. The Cano pumps out a lot of vapor BUT you need quite a bit of material in th chamber.

The MV tastes awesome all the way through for me. I mainly use Blue for my heat setting and finish off on Green. WT's I go straight to Green or Red. I find a WT strips the flavour faster but a hint still remains towards the end. I can also get way more medicated off a small amount of material!
My new glass capsule has improved this effect a lot, due to more radiant heat being available and the glass retaining the heat longer so there isucb less priming between hits.

Don't get me wrong, the Cano is awesome and I love making an extremely dense bag now and then!! Usually I stay at 6,5 to 7 and just blow bags till there is nothing left!

Cano - just cover the screen, oil pad and three good bags!
MV - half of the above Cano load, glass capsule. Blue heat setting and a long 10+ minute session of cloud after cloud and flavor!

They both are excellent vapes and both have their pro's and con's!

I will try the Kief this weekend in th Cano! I know the MV can handle it with ease! I have a video of it in the thread somewhere...
I have some great 160 and 90 micron CO2 Kief!!
 
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