The Magic-Flight Box

The amount of information about rechargeable batteries and chargers is enough to drive me to drink! Ok..maybe it wasn't a long drive ...

I have been graciously provided info directly here so I will return the favor. I also used the FC search, Amazon reviews and a few other sites. With the exception of the battery charger I believe everything else can be found here in varying degrees:

- Best battery - New MFLB Glyphs (logo on cap and bottom of battery) - Hybrid between LSD and HSD but tend toward the LSD side. Produced specifically for the good folks who produce the MFLB.
- Charger - Maha C9000 deemed best in most reviews BUT if you reach out to Amazon you'll find a review on the Opus BT-C2000 by a well respected charger engineer dude who has stated that the C2000 combined the best features of several chargers including the Maha C9000 at a lower price point. http://www.amazon.com/BT-C2000-char...TF8&qid=1425414341&sr=8-1&keywords=opus+c2000
- Other Batteries - Powerex Imedion 2400 are LSD (Low Self Discharge) decent replacement and will hold 85% of the charge for a year. Powerex 2700 are HSD (High Self Discharge) decent replacement and are expected to provide 20% more time to use after charging BUT unlike a LSD battery they will not sit longer than 3 days before they begin to lose their charge.

I purchased 2 sets of new Glyphs from PIU (4 batts total), the Opus BT-C2000 and a 4 pack of the Imedions. I didn't buy the 2700s because I prefer not to wonder how long its been since they were charged when in rotation.

The BT C2000, like the Maha C9000, has battery refresh capability which means I may be able to restore some of the capabilities that my current Glyphs lost after 8 months. If they can be refreshed and hold a decent charge again I may have 12 batteries in rotation soon.

Please use the information provided here for good and not evil.

His_Highness said:

- Charger - Maha C9000 deemed best in most reviews BUT if you reach out to Amazon you'll find a review on the Opus BT-C2000 by a well respected charger engineer dude who has stated that the C2000 combined the best features of several chargers including the Maha C9000 at a lower price point. http://www.amazon.com/BT-C2000-char...TF8&qid=1425414341&sr=8-1&keywords=opus+c2000

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Here's the same charger with a different name for $3 less and direct from amazon - http://www.amazon.com/Ambient-Weath...97573&sr=8-1&keywords=Ambient+Weather+BC-2000

I bought the more expensive Maha C9000 a few years back and it's been great, but if I had to order another or recommend one to a friend... I'd pick that BC-2000 for sure.

Kief said:

Here's the same charger with a different name for $3 less and direct from amazon - http://www.amazon.com/Ambient-Weath...97573&sr=8-1&keywords=Ambient+Weather+BC-2000

I bought the more expensive Maha C9000 a few years back and it's been great, but if I had to order another or recommend one to a friend... I'd pick that BC-2000 for sure.

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I went with the $3 more model because the one I ordered came with an adapter for C/D sized batts and there were complaints that if you wanted to be sure to get the 2.1/latest version of the firmware for the BC-2000 you needed to order from DL Portable Power instead of Amazon. I think the issue with the firmware may be over though.

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I went with the $3 more model because the one I ordered came with an adapter for C/D sized batts and there were complaints that if you wanted to be sure to get the 2.1/latest version of the firmware for the BC-2000 you needed to order from DL Portable Power instead of Amazon. I think the issue with the firmware may be over though.

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Guess I missed the part about the adapters being included, that's pretty nice. That makes the one I linked $5 more.

davesmith said:

Shouldn't someone mention that getting a good Quality charger can prolong te life of your batteries? Might be worth an upgrade for the stock mflb one.

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Yes it can, but is it worth it anymore?

When we were using the 2400's and the 2700's a better charger not only prolonged battery life, it also gave us better performance from the LB. The high-end analyzing chargers do a much better job of topping off the cells resulting in a slightly longer run time at the peek voltage. That extra peek would only last a hit or two, but there was a noticeable difference in performance. Every hit after would have diminishing power behind it.

The new MF hybrid cells are very different. They were designed to run much longer at the peek voltage and we are able to use the capacity of the cell rather than just the top end. The peek performance that would only last a hit or two before now lasts for about two full trenches before dropping. IMO, this makes a high-end charger less necessary... especially for someone that may only use their box once a week.

One of Magic Flight's last posts recommended that batteries be replaced every 6 months for best performance (no mater how you use them) because the box is very hard on batteries. So, if you're an average user going through 2 sets a year for $20... that expensive charger may not be worth it. Heavy (daily) users will find a quality analyzing charger to be more useful and possibly see a return in the long run. If you're spending more than $20 on batteries per year or use NiMH for other things as well, look into an analyzing charger like the Maha C9000 or Opus BT-C2000.

I use the La Crosse BC-700.
I also use other batteries in it as well such as eneloops.

Today i bought my MFLB. It's my first vape. I am beyond impressed. Company is awesome, vape is awesome. I have only compliments!

gnajhar said:

Today i bought my MFLB. It's my first vape. I am beyond impressed. Company is awesome, vape is awesome. I have only compliments!

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Awesome! Still loving both of mine! Remember to not overly drain batteries, don't over fill the trench, fine grind, and shake and tap the box between hits. Dry bud only. Have fun!

KidFated. said:

Awesome! Still loving both of mine! Remember to not overly drain batteries, don't over fill the trench, fine grind, and shake and tap the box between hits. Dry bud only. Have fun!

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This advice may sound simple and it probably is but it makes all the difference. I've have my MFLB for three years now and I usually grind up a couple of weeks worth at a time. The last grind I did was not my usual coffee grind consistency and it was very telling, I started to question all sorts of things until I ground up a new batch yesterday with my coffee grinder, ahhh back to normal.

His_Highness said:

I purchased 2 sets of new Glyphs from PIU (4 batts total), the Opus BT-C2000 and a 4 pack of the Imedions. I didn't buy the 2700s because I prefer not to wonder how long its been since they were charged when in rotation.

The BT C2000, like the Maha C9000, has battery refresh capability which means I may be able to restore some of the capabilities that my current Glyphs lost after 8 months. If they can be refreshed and hold a decent charge again I may have 12 batteries in rotation soon.

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Update Since Battery/Charger Purchases:
I emailed MF about my experience with the Glyphs and stock charger (Glyphs noticeably worn down in 8 months and really hot temps when charging for the start). MF responded that depending on how hard the Glyphs are used it can be normal for them to wear down (not out) after 6 months and that the stock charger can make the batteries hot (not just warm) when charging.
- The Opus BT-C2000 charger spent 3 whole days 'refreshing' the worn down Glyphs and now they are back to damn near the power and longevity they came through the door with! I also tested them on a straight charge and they never got past barely warm. I hope this lasts....
- The Imedion 2400s came through the door half charged and I topped them off - they also never got past barely warm and performed really well. Just slightly below the Glyphs in terms of power and use time. Well worth the cost to have a few pure LSDs in the rotation.

Thanks for tips all. So, shouldn't I wait till the light indicator on MFLB to turn off to charge the batteries? Is it better to stop using them a little before they are completely over?

gnajhar said:

Thanks for tips all. So, shouldn't I wait till the light indicator on MFLB to turn off to charge the batteries? Is it better to stop using them a little before they are completely over?

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No, that light is a rough indicator only, you can destroy batteries with it. It's there for the other reason, to tell you you have a good battery and solid contact. The first boxes didn't have them. Never, ever, completely discharge this class of battery. You only get to do that once per battery.

As soon as heat production drops off, recharge.

OF

OF said:

No, that light is a rough indicator only, you can destroy batteries with it. It's there for the other reason, to tell you you have a good battery and solid contact. The first boxes didn't have them. Never, ever, completely discharge this class of battery. You only get to do that once per battery.

As soon as heat production drops off, recharge.

OF

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That's a bad thing to read. ahahah I've done it 3 times already since I bought the box. Next time I surely won't be doing this. Hopefuly no damage is done... Thanks!!

Where's the best place to purchase the MFLB Finishing Grinder, for the best price? So far the best price I've found is on Amazon for $27 free shipping and second best Ebay for $30.

New_World said:

I use the La Crosse BC-700.
I also use other batteries in it as well such as eneloops.

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Ditto. Been using the BC-700 for years for all of my rechargables, MFLB's and Envelops included and I'm using the same batts that came with my MFLB years ago.

And for the record, it is normal for batteries to be warm coming off the charger, but they should not be HOT as Highness described in a previous post.

The CH-9000 will do a bit more than the BC-700 but for me, it's not quite as user friendly. One of the nice things about it though is that it provides more space between the batts for better cooling. I compensate for this by either putting my batts in bay 1 and 4 rather than close together but if I'm charging 4 batts at once, I'll drop the charging rate down a tad. It's never missed a termination in the 4 years I've had it but a lot of that also has to do with the quality of the batteries themselves.

Today I decided to use the MFLB solely for drying out some material to use in another vape. The ol' one hit and dump.....Havent done this in a while. I forget how effective it is in doing this.

Slow Draw McGraw said:

Today I decided to use the MFLB solely for drying out some material to use in another vape. The ol' one hit and dump.....Havent done this in a while. I forget how effective it is in doing this.

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Finally, a method for drying out bud that lives on the Gulf. I like it, if they ever send my new box. It's only been three weeks since they agreed to replace mine.

al bundy said:

Here's a video by @JDSupreme
My first vape ,learned by watching these. Used about 8 batts a day.

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Useful videos I mentioned a while back
Busted out the Box tonight.
This thing ALWAYS gets me so high.

Magic Flight is the best Company I've ever dealt with. I had other "primitive" vapes many years ago, but MF was the first time I really fell in love with vaping. It made the transition from the Dugout easy and painless. Haven't combusted in 5 years !!!! Breathing Easy!!!

Are there any portable vaporizers that provide the same vibrant, uplifting, focused high that the MFLB gives?

That may be more strain/temperature specific.

My main gripe with MFLB is that it doesn't look discreet and the battery is weak and flimsy. Is it correct that people prefer to use it with a power adapter?

sundaddy said:

That may be more strain/temperature specific.

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No I get that aspect of marijuana, but the MFLB gives me a certain quality type of high that I really enjoy and gets me high but energetic and productive no matter if it's indica or sativa.

I get what you are saying, don't really have enough of a collection to compare.

sz1a said:

My main gripe with MFLB is that it doesn't look discreet and the battery is weak and flimsy. Is it correct that people prefer to use it with a power adapter?

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Define "discreet". My definition includes a device that I can hide in one hand (and I have small hands) and hit while looking as though I'm just coughing or covering a yawn.

Define "weak". The battery can get me through two or three trenches depending on how I use it.

Define "flimsy". I have no idea what you mean until you do.

I don't know for sure but I would guess that most MFLB owners don't have a PA. Most people who have one prefer to use it if they can, because it allows a consistent power setting.

pakalolo said:

Define "discreet". My definition includes a device that I can hide in one hand (and I have small hands) and hit while looking as though I'm just coughing or covering a yawn.

Define "weak". The battery can get me through two or three trenches depending on how I use it.

Define "flimsy". I have no idea what you mean until you do.

I don't know for sure but I would guess that most MFLB owners don't have a PA. Most people who have one prefer to use it if they can, because it allows a consistent power setting.

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Discreet: If left on a table it is not obvious what it is or what it is for. If you are caught using it red handed it is not possible initially to know that it contains weed. The see through screen on MFLB prevents this and thus not making it "discreet" for use in public.

Weak: After vaping a full trench it might get you through a second full trench but from my own experience once it hit about 75% of the second the battery got weak and the indicator light started to fade heavily. Not weak would be getting through at least 3 full trenches with some power to spare. I found myself charging more often than vaping with the MFLB.

Flimsy: Instead of clicking a button to power it on it requires manually pressing the battery which therefore only lets you use it in limited ways. You can't use it without pressing the battery. It is flimsy because the battery isn't part of the device and could fall out and in most cases you would carry them separately in the pocket. Not flimsy would be an integrated solution.

Each to their own of course but these are the definitions you sought