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Discontinued Pax 2

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scott_dunlap

CMO @ PAX
Company Rep
Is there a minimum temperature maintained? In the HD it will drop up to a certain point but won't cool down completely, as to not ruin the battery too much because heating from a cold state is the most taxing (and also to reduce the time it takes to reach back operating temp)

You are right that the PAX 2 doesn't cool down to zero when you are not drawing on it. It generally cools to where the materials are at 160C/320F, but the actual oven temp is based on things like how much time between draws, etc.

When the PAX 2 senses your lips, it super heats the oven to get your materials back to the desired temperature (ie, the one of four settings). It also adjusts the oven temp based on how much you are drawing from it to counteract the cooling effect of drawing. We also changed the oven shape so that we could keep the material contents more evenly heated. It's pretty slick.
 

Chill Dude

Well-Known Member
When the PAX 2 senses your lips, it super heats the oven to get your materials back to the desired temperature (ie, the one of four settings). It also adjusts the oven temp based on how much you are drawing from it to counteract the cooling effect of drawing. We also changed the oven shape so that we could keep the material contents more evenly heated. It's pretty slick.

Some people are a little anal about temperature control.. Myself included. So again, let's say I'm hitting my Pax 2 at 396F and after a couple draws I set the device down. The device then cools to approximately 330F. When I put my lips back on the mouthpiece is the heat up instantaneous or will it take maybe 5 seconds or so to heat back up to setting 3. You use the term "super heat" and I just want to clarify what that means. I'm thinking if you're set on vaping only at your desired temperature, you may want to place your lips on the mouthpiece and wait 5 seconds or so before initiating your draw. That is if you want assurance that you will continue to vape at your desired temperature. Am I right?

BTW, thanks for checking in to answer questions. It's really cool to have you guys participate in this thread.
 

2 Paces

Well-Known Member
Welcome Pax guys. Can't wait to get my Pax 2, April 2 can't come fast enough.

Question about charging: It mentions a USB plug, but it doesn't look like it comes with a wall outlet plug. Pakalolo mentioned that you can use the original Pax plug with the new cradle and it would also charge faster than the USB.

Is this a Pax Labs approved thing to do? I may be in the minority, but USB is not convenient for me, so I would much rather use a wall outlet. I have 2 original Pax, so I could easily use one of the old plugs, but I don't want to do it if it would harm the Pax 2 or void my warranty.

Thanks.
 

jambandphan03

in flavor country
I noticed in one of the review vids that the charger had a USB port and a barrel power adapter port on the side, looked to be the same size as the plug for the Pax1. I am sure we will get some clarification on this.
 
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Ojan_at_PAX

Social Media Manager @ PAX
Company Rep
I noticed in one of the review vids that the charger had a USB port and a barrel power adapter port on the side, looked to be the same size as the plug for the Pax1. I am sure we will get some clarification on this.

Yep! You can use the PAX 1 wall adapter with PAX 2. The estimated charge times are:

-3 hours with USB, 2 hours with AC adapter to 100%.
-2 hours with USB, 1 hour with AC adapter to 80%.

Charging times with USB will be slower if the USB source is rated to less than 1A. Most smart phones and tablets come with 5V, 1-2A adapters. Almost all computers made in the last 6 years are good to over 1A.
 

scott_dunlap

CMO @ PAX
Company Rep
Hi :wave: and welcome to FC @scott_dunlap

Is the lip sensor heat or pressure activated? Does it still sense when you use the raised (flared) mouthpiece?

The lip sensor is capacitive sensing, so it is triggered by the touch of skin (or lip in the this case). It works on the top edge of the PAX 2, so both the flat and raised mouth piece triggers it.
 

jambandphan03

in flavor country
I was wondering how the Pax2 responded to being used on a bubbler, if it's using the lip sensor to activate the oven, would it still perform well with out having the lip contact? A lot of us here like to condition vapor through glass/water.
 
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scott_dunlap

CMO @ PAX
Company Rep
Some people are a little anal about temperature control.. Myself included. So again, let's say I'm hitting my Pax 2 at 396F and after a couple draws I set the device down. The device then cools to approximately 330F. When I put my lips back on the mouthpiece is the heat up instantaneous or will it take maybe 5 seconds or so to heat back up to setting 3. You use the term "super heat" and I just want to clarify what that means. I'm thinking if you're set on vaping only at your desired temperature, you may want to place your lips on the mouthpiece and wait 5 seconds or so before initiating your draw. That is if you want assurance that you will continue to vape at your desired temperature. Am I right?

BTW, thanks for checking in to answer questions. It's really cool to have you guys participate in this thread.

That's an awesome question! Holy cow you FC guys know a lot about vape tech.

In answer to your question, once you put your lips back on the device, it immediately goes to max heat power for up to 5 seconds (what I called "super heat"), or when the material is detected to be at target temperature. It is designed to feel instantaneous, and sure works well for me. There is also a mode you can set it in where it doesn't cool when you put it down - I guess if you wanted to be crazy accurate, that would be the way to go.

Welcome Pax guys. Can't wait to get my Pax 2, April 2 can't come fast enough.

Question about charging: It mentions a USB plug, but it doesn't look like it comes with a wall outlet plug. Pakalolo mentioned that you can use the original Pax plug with the new cradle and it would also charge faster than the USB.

Is this a Pax Labs approved thing to do? I may be in the minority, but USB is not convenient for me, so I would much rather use a wall outlet. I have 2 original Pax, so I could easily use one of the old plugs, but I don't want to do it if it would harm the Pax 2 or void my warranty.

Thanks.

That's a good question. I'll see if /u/Ojan_at_PAX knows the answer to using with the old charger. You are right that it comes out of the box with USB only (a USB to wall option will be available as an accessory), which was a big request from our customers. The ubiquity of USB outlets in cars, computers, home electronics, etc., these days steered us down this path. Hopefully you also saw that the charger is magnetic now - really easy to attach and charge.
 
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pakalolo

Toolbag v1.1 (candidate)
Staff member
I was wondering how the Pax2 responded to being used on a bubbler, if it's using the lip sensor to activate the oven, would it still perform well with out having the lip contact? A lot of us here like to condition vapor through glass/water, if at all possible.

I've been experimenting with that and I think there might be an issue here, at least if you do it the way I am doing it. It does work but I've concluded that since the Pax 2 never senses lips, it can get confused. I think. It might be me. More testing is needed.

Meanwhile, I've been promising a summary of yesterday's testing, so here it is. I've been using it the same way I'd use my MFLB, that is, take 2-3 hits and put it away. I started the day with two petals of battery. I set the temp to one petal and it took about 40 seconds to go green. WTF!? I know I said that the previous time I used it it took 53 seconds to warm up, but every time I turned it on I checked the warmup time and it was consistently 38-40 seconds, so I can only conclude that the 53 seconds was heating to more than one petal.

As I've mentioned, I try to keep hits at around ten seconds, and I like to wait between hits, but with a device like the original Pax I always feel pressured to take the next hit as soon as possible. It's more like the jay experience, where your precious material is simply wafting away. With the Pax 2 I've already relaxed and don't mind waiting two or three minutes between hits. That's still rushed for me but quite acceptable. That means my average on-time was 3-5 minutes, let's say 4-6 counting the warmup.

I did this three times over the morning and the battery level was still two petals. One thing I checked was the odour level. I was using Holy Grail, a fairly pungent strain. I asked my wife, who was driving (and not using, she doesn't), if she could smell it heating up. She said she couldn't, but I could. Someone with a sharp nose would pick it up in a closed environment like a car. My conclusion: my wife has a cute rounded nose.

After I hit and exhaled, she smelled it right away but that's expected. I repeated this experiment today and this time she smelled the Bubba Kush heating up. I don't think the Pax 2 is any different from most portables in this respect. The odour depends much more on the strain than the device, and heating it up intensifies the smell.

Back to yesterday's tests. While we were home for lunch, I tried my finger-condom WPA for a total of six hits, two at one petal and two at four (to see how thick it got, which I would say was roughly Newfoundland fog). Then we went out again, battery level still at two petals. I had three more sessions for a total of seven more hits. Back home, it finally read one petal for the battery level. I put it on the Orbiter and pulled two more hits, and gave it a nice rest on its docking cradle.

The final total was 19 hits on a .07 g load. The final hit was not foul-tasting to me, although it was through a bubbler. The ABV was an even dark brown. Conclusion: the Pax 2 can go out on the town with the best. The battery stayed at two petals for seven warmups, three of them to four petals, and the flavour lasted. It was an impressive performance.
 

elbypark

Member
Yep! You can use the PAX 1 wall adapter with PAX 2. The estimated charge times are:

-3 hours with USB, 2 hours with AC adapter to 100%.
-2 hours with USB, 1 hour with AC adapter to 80%.

Charging times with USB will be slower if the USB source is rated to less than 1A. Most smart phones and tablets come with 5V, 1-2A adapters. Almost all computers made in the last 6 years are good to over 1A.

so does this mean we can use any cell phone charger to charge the pax2? and this won't affect the warranty or the device negatively? thanks so much!
 
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Chill Dude

Well-Known Member
In answer to your question, once you put your lips back on the device, it immediately goes to max heat power for up to 5 seconds (what I called "super heat"), or when the material is detected to be at target temperature. It is designed to feel instantaneous, and sure works well for me. There is also a mode you can set it in where it doesn't cool when you put it down - I guess if you wanted to be crazy accurate, that would be the way to go.

Thanks for the response. The lip sensor and the "super heat" are such awesome new features as an upgrade from Pax 1. I'm loving all I'm hearing right now. Can't wait until the first week of April!
 

Vapinghole

Low-Temp Hempist / JedHI Master
@scott_dunlap - great to see you here. I'm approaching 3 years of regular use with my original Pax (a clean Pax is a happy Pax!).

I tried many other portables and always go back to my Pax. Haven't looked at another in a long time.

Of course, I just pre-ordered that sexy silver Pax 2. Can't wait.

Thanks, @pakalolo for your educational efforts.
 

pakalolo

Toolbag v1.1 (candidate)
Staff member
I suppose party mode can be used for bubblers...

I just finished testing this. As I mentioned, there's an issue here. While party mode does keep the heater going, the Pax 2 still knows that no lips have touched it. Three minutes after it reaches temperature, it shuts down. This happens no matter what mode it's in. It's a hard-coded time limit to minimize any accidental startups, which makes sense to me. Since my improvised WPA takes a little effort to put on and off, it wouldn't work well for a lot of people. Because I usually only take two or three hits at a time, it's fine for me. A proper WPA would be easily removable so you'd be able to kiss your Pax 2 between hits and keep it alive. I'd consider that a minor inconvenience.

Thanks to @scott_dunlap for checking this with the engineers.
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p1ssbucket

Well-Known Member
How are people feeling about flavor with this unit? Does it fix what a lot of pax 1's problems? Could be very interested if it does not still require cleaning or a plastic vape path.
 
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FrigginRights

Active Member
Do people ignore the price when reviewing the items? The product is 279.99 USD dollars...

That is a crazy high price for a mini oven and such small upgrades technologically wise (looks good aesthetically, but I could careless).

With that being said I do know if it is any good, though I never liked the original pax, so I doubt I would like this one.
 
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chillersnov8p

Well-Known Member
When it comes to price and value I like to look at the costs spread out over a year. The difference between a 200.00 and 280.00 cost is less then two dollars a week.

What is the warranty on the pax2?
 

stickstones

Vapor concierge
Does it adjust heat during the draw to make up for different draw speeds? In other words, would a strong hit work just as well as a weak hit or is there a sweet spot on the draw?
 

pakalolo

Toolbag v1.1 (candidate)
Staff member
How are people feeling about flavor with this unit? Does it fix what a lot of pax 1's problems? Could be very interested if it does not still require cleaning or a plastic vape path.

Short answer: Please read the thread.

Long answer: There are no people, there's just me. I was one of an apparently really small group chosen by Pax to receive the first Pax 2s. I got mine even ahead of the staff. I've done a lot of testing already and spent a lot of time posting about it. If you still have questions after reading my posts and those of the Pax reps, just ask, but please don't ask me to repeat myself.

Do people ignore the price when reviewing the items? The product is 279.99 USD dollars...

That is a crazy high price for a mini oven and such small upgrades technologically wise (looks good aesthetically, but I could careless).

With that being said I do know if it is any good, though I never liked the original pax, so I doubt I would like this one.

Disclosure: I didn't pay for mine.

If you think it's too expensive, don't buy. There are more expensive portables doing quite well in sales. There are others at around the same price point.

I disagree that the changes are "such small upgrades", I would argue quite the opposite. They're making a conduction portable behave a lot more like a convection heat-on-demand device, resulting in much improved flavour, more efficient use of the load, and better battery life. I don't know why you didn't like the original Pax, but the odds are that they've fixed it.
 

2 Paces

Well-Known Member
What is the warranty on the pax2?

The warranty on the Pax 2 is ten years.

Do people ignore the price when reviewing the items? The product is 279.99 USD dollars...
That is a crazy high price for a mini oven and such small upgrades technologically wise.


Their long warranty is definitely a factor in the price they charge.

I love knowing that ten years from now I'll still be using a device I paid for in 2015. To me that is worth a lot considering how flaky some units can be (especially as an early adopter).
 

Vapinghole

Low-Temp Hempist / JedHI Master
Do people ignore the price when reviewing the items? The product is 279.99 USD dollars..

Nope. Fully aware of what I just paid. Boils down to personal preference. My current Pax is going on three years--I love it. Best portable I've tried. Having paid $250 for it and having gotten such solid use over time, I'm not flinching to pay for a newer, better model.
 
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