Davinci Ascent or Crafty?

I own a few vaporizers including the arizer air and the pax but I still feel like I haven't found the right portable yet. After reading through the forum, I thought the air would be perfect but the Arizer stems do not hold enough compared to the pax. Yes, the air gets you more out of your bud (in quality comparison), but the pax gets you more medicated faster (no water tools involved). The cleaning can get a little annoying though, so I'm looking to upgrade from both. I like the idea of the larger chamber from the ascent but the crafty can give bigger heavier hits (Right?).

Which will get you more medicated per full chamber?

Easymoneysniper said:

I like the idea of the larger chamber from the ascent but the crafty can give bigger heavier hits (Right?).

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I was wondering the exact same thing I own the ascent and the pax. If the ascent is on par with the crafty I want to try the arizer air because I've heard good things about the solo

In my experience, my trusty Solo delivers in flavor and effect better than my friends Pax. I had it here for at least a week or two at one point- but it never got much use- so I'd imagine the Air would be of similar great quality; build and otherwise..
It does seem to me that the Crafty is the current king in portable cloud generators though.

The air is good but I feel like the pax will give you a high closer to combustion. I'm wondering will sipping on a large bowl be more effective than the few but heavy hits from the crafty.

To be honest, I never really understood why the Pax gets such acclaim; most of the times I've used it I felt it was lacking- but then again I hate the conduction aspect of it, especially that it heats above and on the sides, and the bottom never really gets cooked while the top turns black, so you have to stir it if you want the bowl to bake at all evenly.
To be fair though, I only used it on medium and high; lots of vapes seem like they want to run a bowl longer if you start at a goofy low temp and work up..

I use the screen trick even when I fill it up. I leave just enough room for 2 screens to sit under the lid while it holds an even close. The screens get hot enough for an evenly vaped oven. Plus, the screens allow less air to come in through the bottom. I never have to stir with a full oven on high or medium with the screen trick. When you use it this way, it's more efficient than people think.. It just uses more bud than people would like to compared to the arizer stems. The extra bud it holds doesn't really go waste if you use it all at once.

Still, i need a new vape in my life.

I had an ascent for a bit and was thoroughly unimpressed.
To be fair, mine may have been a dud; I returned it
I had a pax for a while and liked everything about it, except actually using it

I have a crafty now, and can't recommend it highly enough

grokit said:

I had an ascent for a bit and was thoroughly unimpressed.
To be fair, mine may have been a dud; I returned it
I had a pax for a while and liked everything about it, except actually using it

I have a crafty now, and can't recommend it highly enough

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I hear you on the ascent...but, I love mine (when it's operational) you probably had a defective unit. the last replacement I got, came with small holes on the bottom screen that caused little to no vapor production, but I used some of my old stems and was good!
I went ahead and purchased a mighty today for $440 (locally) because the crafty was sold out first impression...F**king impressed! I just hope the size doesn't become an issue

Easymoneysniper said:

I own a few vaporizers including the arizer air and the pax but I still feel like I haven't found the right portable yet. After reading through the forum, I thought the air would be perfect but the Arizer stems do not hold enough compared to the pax. Yes, the air gets you more out of your bud (in quality comparison), but the pax gets you more medicated faster (no water tools involved). The cleaning can get a little annoying though, so I'm looking to upgrade from both. I like the idea of the larger chamber from the ascent but the crafty can give bigger heavier hits (Right?).

Which will get you more medicated per full chamber?

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after the first day of use with the mighty vape, I think it's safe to assume the mighty/crafty will give you more 'bang for your buck' however, taste of the ascent is way better (imo) if money is no issue, choose the crafty (even though I still love my ascent)

I have to say they have different strengths. I have both ascent and mighty. Ascent is all flavor, but the mighty hits harder. Regarding medication, it is hard to say because of the large size of the ascent bowl (more herbs=more medication: most of the time). I really like both so it is hard to say. Either one you choose, you won't be disappointed.

mixchu69 said:

Either one you choose, you won't be disappointed.

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TRUE, but with the crafty/mighty you might be a little more pleased overall...iIl say this quietly though because I do ABSOLUTELY LOVE my ascent and it will still be used, I also vape all the time so the crafty/mighty seem a little more durable/rugged

I agree. I definitely use my mighty much more than the ascent.

My Ascent was replaced with a Solo within two weeks. I never got on with it even with all the modding.

I have since replaced my Solo with a Crafty. Which even with its faults is the best overall vape I have owned.

Easymoneysniper said:

Which will get you more medicated per full chamber?

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There are no high tech secrets in vaporizer design so that one model will get you higher than another. Some provide more vapor per hit, which can make a difference, and longer vapor paths or water filtration can slightly increase vapor loss, but with quality models most decisions come down to personal preference, including reliability track records, warranty terms, and which model appeals to you for operation and ergonomics.

mixchu69 said:

I agree. I definitely use my mighty much more than the ascent.

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The OP is asking about the Crafty, not the Mighty.

max said:

The OP is asking about the Crafty, not the Mighty.

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True, but performance is essentially the same between them. Size, battery life, and a screen are the main differences there.

Roth said:

Size, battery life, and a screen are the main differences there.

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And cost.

Sorry, but in this section, the thread starter's question is the topic, and responders should be on topic.

I used to own a Pax and I own a Solo, an Ascent, and a Mighty (which is a Crafty with a bigger battery from a performance standpoint) so think I see what you are getting at.

I like the Ascent a lot and think its underappreciated. Its not very efficient with weed but gets going quickly and hits fairly hard once you hit it (but often the first hits feel light but they are in fact there). Even though its bigger than the Pax the form factor makes it very easy on the go and easy to carry around in your pocket. I find myself using it at home instead of the Solo quite a bit because its easy to use. Battery life is very reasonable too. Taste is comparable to the Solo IMO... a lot of people say they taste the silicone that insulates the glass pathway but I never have.

As much as I like my Ascent, my recommendation is to go with the Crafty. It seems to be the first in a new generation of portables with fewer tradeoffs than its predecessors... a whole new level. My Mighty hits harder than any portable I've used and IMO hangs with a lot of plug-in vapes. Really... almost concentrate-like while still having that full-spectrum effect of flowers. Its a speedy session - it heats quickly and once it does you get huge hits with very little resistance. After 3-4 hits I'm done in under than a minute (I know this because the Mighty has a one minute shutoff timer). It is efficient but gets depleted quickly since the hits can be so large. Taste is very good... maybe better than the Ascent even though the Crafty/Mighty uses plastic (but high-quality plastic IMO.. I don't see S&B every using something that will leave a taste) Battery life on the Crafty seems comparable to the Pax.

Two reasons I don't use the Mighty as a daily driver. Main reason is that its almost continually on loan to friends. Second, and related reason, is that it almost hits harder than I need for an everyday vape which is why I've loaned it out. That said, I'm on the wait list for a Grasshopper as my next "pocket portable"...hopefully that's coming soon. If the performance of the Grasshopper isn't at least on par with the Ascent I will probably buy a Crafty too.

We all have very different expectations. I would hate if my vape cashed a load in 3-4 big hits. In fact I hate big hits, I don't use water tools and like many I think that anything exhaled is wasted (if you don't believe me try having someone re-breath the vapor that you exhale and see if they get high or not... or don't waste your time because the answer is "yes" anyways)

The Ascent can cash the bowl in a few hits if you start at a high temperature. But where it shines is when you do 15-20 minutes sessions with rising temperature levels.

And I read above that it's not efficient or that you need to fill the large bowl? Wtf! I did a lot of testing and posted some of the results in the Ascent thread. If you use the "puck" technic or the glass flowers, and are careful about having the holes well covered at all times, you can use any quantity in it.

I've been using it daily for over one year now. I use on average between 0.06g and 0.12g and I get between 15 and 20 minutes of near constant sipping with that small of a load. We don't have the same notion of "efficiency".

Also you are quick to dismiss that the Crafty has only a single battery cell, it requires a smart phone to change the meager two temperature settings it has, it's plastic (that breaks) and a lot of people need to return their units for various reasons... and well it costs an arm on top of that.

Ok that needed to be said. Now in the light of how the OP framed his question, I think the Crafty would be best for him, because he seems to enjoy big hits and didn't mention flavor as a criteria.

Easymoneysniper said:

Which will get you more medicated per full chamber?

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I guess this will all depend on your tolerance, I can't even get through a quarter chamber of my air on my own. If fact I use an upside down bowl shaped screen which gives me the perfect load.

If your big issue is bowl size I think there is a portable that has a double bowl?

Get a Mighty, the batterie of the crafty is only for low tolerance users. The mighty can get me incredibly high. Simply start at low temperature and try to hold your breath until no vapor escapes. If I want to shut me down I try to not inhale air between the hits and I promise you won't even think of vapor escaping. I never hit the ascent but I have some other vapes including the solo and the mighty finally makes me stop combusting after 18 years because it gets more CBD than other vapes, I personally think. For example, I dislike the volcano I have. It doesn't get me satisfied. I gets me high, but not satisfied. Mighty puts me down every time.

Something to keep in mind with both the Crafty and the Mighty. They are both brand new products from S&B and they are currently going through their growing pains. S&B is in the process of making running production changes both in the hardware as well as the firmware. If it were me and I had my heart set on one of these, I'd wait a bit till they iron out the bugs and get things right but from everything that I have read, they are both some of the hardest hitting portables on the market.

That is absolutely true! Just got my brand new replacement with free accessories for ~50€ Value after 5 days exchange procedure. Read up the mighty thread, I wrote down the changes until yet! You should have a backup unit for sure...
They are working with hard pressure but couldn't tell me when the housing is reinforced.

KeroZen said:

We all have very different expectations. I would hate if my vape cashed a load in 3-4 big hits

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idk why everyone says this...my mighty gets way more than 3 or 4 big hits per bowl...and you also can use any amount In the ascent BUT the mighty is more efficient. And the might has a way more sturdy feel than the ascent even with it being plastic

So many variables, from user to user, strain to strain, how well cured etc...

I have the Ascent and I don't have the Crafty. They seem to have some similarities, like they both can be used while plugged in and you can select the exact temp. I've heard the Crafty has good flavor like the Ascent and a fairly large oven. From what I read about the Crafty there are a lot of differences too. Sometimes it's appreciating each vape for what they have to offer.

Think about your needs and price, do your research and jump in. Often it's a gamble, you won't know until you try it out. The Crafty is expensive for a portable that's one of the differences. The App is something the Ascent doesn't have either, also no USB port. To me it seems like the App is something you really don't need. I personally wouldn't want to hassle with it. At first I thought it might be a good idea but I've had second thoughts.

I like the Ascent because you can select the exact temp that you want and it has excellent flavor. A very nice looking portable that fits easily in a purse or a bag. It doesn't look like a vaporizer either.
Im anxious for the spacer that Davinci says is coming out soon. It does have a large oven but you can use something to partially fill such as glass beads or the glass flowers, that is what some of the FCers are using. The small glass flowers are hard to use on the go for a spacer because it's hard to switch out herb. Brand new the Ascent had an hour and a half battery for me but my Ascent was one of the early ones. Not sure what the Crafty has? I've had my Ascent for a year and a half. I don't use it all the time now.

I have several portables and my Solo is my favorite. It's only around $150 or $160. It gives my vapor superb flavor, not stealth though. It hooks up to several different water tool set ups.
Always remember to Fuckcombustion.

WakeAndVape said:

idk why everyone says this...my mighty gets way more than 3 or 4 big hits per bowl...and you also can use any amount In the ascent BUT the mighty is more efficient. And the might has a way more sturdy feel than the ascent even with it being plastic

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I think it is draw size and heat. I take long and hard draws (tons of vapor) but will deplete a full load. My temp drops more than 10 degrees every time I hit it.