holyparsniper

I've vaped, and I can't get up!
I had my first run in with the red charge light just slightly into a sesh last night.

What doesn't happen, and is the same as on the flowermate (But this is never an issue on the Ascent) is that if the battery eats it and you plug it in to vape, you still need to wait a bit. The air was throwing me lots of crazy blinky lighty errors. Getting a little warm only to be and shut off.

OF thanks for the link to those batteries! This will be an issue of the past.

The amount of time, seemed long, same as the flowermate. I think it has something to do with having a packed bowl and waiting! Sooo slow. I waited at least and in hour, it was still charging, but then worked normally.

So the Air will not work without a battery installed, just plugged in.

Also it's FRIIIIIIDAYYYYYYYY YEAAAAH!!!!!
 

StormyPinkness

Rhymenocerous ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
@Chainfire look into the omicron or persei threads.
Old post I know, but I second this @Chainfire . Wax pens are perfect for speed and stealth. The good ones are even great for taste. Those are great options too, that company has tons of different sized vapes and carts too. For me wax pens are less of a session and more of a hit or 2 depending on how far you want to take it. I always figured good torch vapes were the best for speed, I haven't tried any though. They're all tools in a toolbox though, whatever works.
 
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OF thanks for the link to those batteries! This will be an issue of the past.

The amount of time, seemed long, same as the flowermate. I think it has something to do with having a packed bowl and waiting! Sooo slow. I waited at least and in hour, it was still charging, but then worked normally.

So the Air will not work without a battery installed, just plugged in.

You're welcome on both counts, although Brother CentiZen did the hard part for sure. IMO it's great he can get us performance/peace of mind for less bucks.

Glad it was flat battery, it had the earmarks. But if you value that battery stop vaping right now and do the five hours. You've seriously hammered it, in a way that would probably kill many lesser 18650s. Do not, under any conditions,l discharge it to the bottom again before taking it as high as it will go. I'm not fooling or exaggerating here, you got away with it once (at least to some level, it may be damaged still), I strenuously advise "don't press your luck".

And no, Air is not a pass through deal. That little charger can only supply a fraction of the power needed (about 1/4). It needs a suitable battery with at least a reasonable charge to do a session. Plugging it in can lessen that charge requirement, but not eliminate it.

Regards,

OF
 

MeditativeMind

*Insert 'custom title' here*
I tend to agree that microusb would have been alot better IMO. If the reason is what Arizer is saying that it would take too long to charge; then couldnt that be said about almost all microusb devices today? If I take my smartphone that uses 1A charger and plug it into my computer getting only .5A; it would be slower. Slower but still an option. And if the consumer is even alittle educated on the matter they would know to use a wall charger for faster charging. Actually I would guess that this is pretty common knowledge, most people know if they plug in their ipad/iphone/etc into a computer USB it would be slower (just a hunch on my part).

Only scenario that I can imagine maybe being a problem would be running while charging with only .5A. But that is not the answer given by Arizer.

Just my :2c:, im far from an expert.

Dont get me wrong AA has so many benefits and improvements compared to solo and the nonstandard adapter is not even in the ball park of being a problem or a deal breaker. Its more of a wait why not moment? I thought the same thing when I looked at my more budget chinese vaporizers (both have microusb, one even came with a 1.5A adapter). Especially given the convenient 5V used by Arizer.

EDIT: Link to batteries OF is talking about

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/oem-arizer-air-replacement-batteries.17329/#post-745232



I'm almost certain they will release a revision in a year or two with microUSB
 

Airmaster One

AA Enthusiast
Well, looks like i jinxed myself when i said id pay more for the vortex stem HAHA ... But they took it out of context because i meant id pay more if i could order it right away...

Looks like the price raised from 25 to $28, but they are still not back in stock yet... Still watching. Still waiting.

Looks like you opened a :worms:. I think PV has realized how many Americans want their custom stems and have raised their prices to cover the USD conversion rate. Kidding.. :lol:

I've been waiting as well for the vortex restock but I might become an :myday: or worse yet :rip: before I can finally get one. It's been a while since they had them. Maybe we should throw a :rant:and let PV know that we need them. Kidding again, that would probably be just :horse:. Then again I've heard this stereotype that Canadians are :love: and :chill: so they might hear us out. In any case I would be :bowdown: if you can post when PV restocks. Anyway I'll get back to binge watching Peaky Blinders, eating my :popcorn:, vaping my Air then having a :zzz:. Sorry for the emoji rant, I was just in the mood. :cheers:
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I was surprised that the Vortex stem was as cheap as it was, it was listed at around the same price as the PVHES mouthpieces. it looks like it should be $3 more than their regular custom PVHES glass. You guys won't be sorry for the wait. It really is worth it. I love mine. Make sure you buy at least 2 stems.
 

LongIslandmom

Well-Known Member
Looks like you opened a :worms:. I think PV has realized how many Americans want their custom stems and have raised their prices to cover the USD conversion rate. Kidding.. :lol:

I've been waiting as well for the vortex restock but I might become an :myday: or worse yet :rip: before I can finally get one. It's been a while since they had them. Maybe we should throw a :rant:and let PV know that we need them. Kidding again, that would probably be just :horse:. Then again I've heard this stereotype that Canadians are :love: and :chill: so they might hear us out. In any case I would be :bowdown: if you can post when PV restocks. Anyway I'll get back to binge watching Peaky Blinders, eating my :popcorn:, vaping my Air then having a :zzz:. Sorry for the emoji rant, I was just in the mood. :cheers:
Yes what's up with PV. I've been looking for a couple of weeks now and the JoDa just doesn't compare but the Ed wood is great. I haven't pulled the trigger on this unit yet. I really want to

Just jumped into the Air yesterday. My First vape was an Ascent. Also had a couple of Flowermates that I ended up loaning/giving away to friends to try vaping over combusting.

I needed a second unit for a traveller. Pics don't do justice how tiny it is in hand!

Just ran a couple of sessions last night with some Afghani High CBD and some Cheese.

The Davinci and I, honestly have always hung out at 170, and stepped up to 180. I like low and tasty hits, and hoard the ABV for later.

The Air starting at 180 was a worry, but it was such a smooth flavourable sesh, that all concerns are out the window!

Build is amazing, vaping through the stems is amazing, found the resistance just right by pinching bud pieces off and doing a slight finger pack.

I am super impressed with this unit, makes me proud to be a Canadian. Maybe all those RIM employees went over to ARIzER after Blackberry ate it in Waterloo.

I've lurked this thread for a bit, but consider myself still very new, so maybe you could help me out on a couple of questions:

1: The Aroma Dish Can you actually use it for shatters, oils wax and budder? How?
2: Nitecore chargers look like the way to go, but is there really a SAFE battery alternative to Arizers?
3: Is there a bubbler at about half the size of the pinnacle one that would compliment the size of the air?
4: What are your favourite 3rd party stems? Ed's of course. Anything titanium or metal available?

I got it at a great price, at a local store in Victoria BC. They also do online. He price matched it at 215 CAN which is a great price compared to arizers own site. I can get people the name of the shop if interested. they're an official retailer and also back the year warranty.

(this is the same place I bought my Davinci a year ago) I just don't want you guys to think I'm schilling here!

Glad to be a part of the Air Head club!
Ok I haven't been on here for a while but this is a very welcoming group and I am a solo owner so here goes

The DHgate DO20 will probably work well with this but I am always looking for an even smaller bubbler as well. Look at DHGate; I know it's China but if you get from a reliable seller you try maybe 2 out without breaking the bank. No one knows where the planetvape PVHGong adapter is right now but I think I speak for many who are hoping for a restock fairy to appear!! Always have a Ed Wood handy. They never break.

So from your posts it sounds like a should pull the trigger. Soon enuf!!
 
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WoodVillain

Backwoods Rated
Does anyone know the thread size of the mouthpiece? I'm trying to design a screw-on top to 3D print

If I ordered on Wednesday it would be here by now :(

Just curious, Do you use CAD? That program whoops my A$$ LOL, last time i tried i gave up and ended up paying a guy 60 bucks to convert my design to CAD :lol:

Im getting .407" on male side of glass. And .572" on outside of MP.. But im not sure exactly what measurement you want...Let me know exactly what measurements you may need (maybe a paint picture with arrows showing exactly?) and i can get them for you. I have digital calipers and stuff in reaching distance of my keyboard.
 

MeditativeMind

*Insert 'custom title' here*
I'm almost certain that micro usb will be obsolete in a year or two.....maybe we will see pico-usb !

...or no cable at all, induction charging seems to be the future.

Dude the first person to successfully create wireless power will be a billionaire! I don't mean induction, I mean without any contact whatsoever. It kind of, sort of exists but nothing for the consumer as far as I know.



Just curious, Do you use CAD? That program whoops my A$$ LOL, last time i tried i gave up and ended up paying a guy 60 bucks to convert my design to CAD :lol:

Im getting .407" on male side of glass. And .572" on outside of MP.. But im not sure exactly what measurement you want...Let me know exactly what measurements you may need (maybe a paint picture with arrows showing exactly?) and i can get them for you. I have digital calipers and stuff in reaching distance of my keyboard.


Yea I use CAD software.

Those measurements help but I'd also need the thread size (basically the thickness of the threads and separation between each one. It's usually standardized). No worries, I can wait til Monday. If it works out maybe I'll sell some for cheap :). This will be my first time using a 3D printer so I'm excited but learning.
 
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olivianewtonjohn

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Yea I use CAD software.

Those measurements help but I'd also need the thread size (basically the thickness of the threads and separation between each one. It's usually standardized). No worries, I can wait til Monday. If it works out maybe I'll sell some for cheap :). This will be my first time using a 3D printer so I'm excited but learning.
What kind of modification are you going to do?
 
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OF

Well-Known Member
I'm almost certain that micro usb will be obsolete in a year or two.....maybe we will see pico-usb !

...or no cable at all, induction charging seems to be the future.

Hard to say what the future will hold of course, but Micro USB is electrically just a different connector. You can use adapters to get whatever you want mechanically, but the same electrical issues will persist.

If you are driven to use USB with this constraint, no need to wait or wish for anything more. Cables to do this exist, I've posted a couple of different links for a few dollars each as have others. If you want to use a Micro USB rather than the more common USB A connector on most computers for some strange reason, there's adapters to fix that.

Induction has long been experimented with (a two piece transformer basically in most cases) for many such applications (including electric car charging in fact), but success at high current levels and small size with high efficiency (low heating) has remained out of reach thus far. Cables are widely used for a reason I think. Pacemakers at one point depended on this, for instance.

Dude the first person to successfully create wireless power will be a billionaire! I don't mean induction, I mean without any contact whatsoever. It kind of, sort of exists but nothing for the consumer as far as I know.

Actually (magnetic) induction doesn't require contact, examples of this are around right now. Range and efficiency are issues, but it's a proven technology on an old theme (as Sinclue points out, Tesla was obsessed with it......but he's dead now). It made more sense I think in the days before we understood the impact of power distribution. In 'the battle of the currents' Edison used DC (not AC like Westinghouse) and therefore condemned himself to short distribution lines. He had a power station every few blocks in early NY......obviously a disadvantage.

IMO there's little to invent until we change those pesky rules of science. We can, for instance convert to microwave energy and 'beam' that were we want and convert the generated heat back to useful current but a cable seems a better solution for now.

Those measurements help but I'd also need the thread size (basically the thickness of the threads and separation between each one. It's usually standardized). No worries, I can wait til Monday. If it works out maybe I'll sell some for cheap :). This will be my first time using a 3D printer so I'm excited but learning.

I think you'll find it's not a simple matter of major and minor diameters and pitch like with conventional threads because you're not dealing with threads with well controlled profile like in most cases. The male is molded in hot glass, it will vary widely. A couple I just checked have considerable out of round as well.

Instead the atypical thread (profile wise) of the female part is made to match the pitch and be extremely loose (notice that part?). The threads are instead used as a wedge (what they really are in classical mechanics terms) to draw the gasket down tight. My advice would be to section off (carefully slice in half cross wise) the cap and copy the profile of those threads and match the pitch and bottom profile.

Good luck with it. Not an easy thing I think to get right, but 'close enough' should carry the day. I'd also be worried about 3D printing that part, the materials used tend to be soft when hot, easily melted and not necessarily the safest to use at the temperatures we are?

Nikola Tesla" http://www.teslasociety.com/tesla_tower.htm

Wonder where we'd be if he'd received more recognition and support?

:peace:

~


Fun guy, for sure. I once worked with a relative named 'Teslich', he claimed the correct spelling?

I think he was recognized in a way, the 'power brokers' of the day clearly feared him, respected his work with AC early on, tried to 'buy him out and shut him up' viewed from some perspectives.

Unfortunately IMO he didn't understand all the rules of the game as we do today (like everyone else), or he might not have carried on so. Today the idea of dotting the countryside with such towers would give the bunny huggers conniption fits for sure. Decapitating the odd eagle in windmills, or roasting the odd bird flying by your solar farms is hard enough for them to ignore at present where basically nobody sees, but if it was common place from coast to coast I fear 'the little old ladies in tennis shoes' would be marching?

Nothing preventing a modern guy from picking up the flag and running with it, except technical and social problems now in sharper focus? Today, we know technically why he failed in his later experiments and could avoid some of the pitfalls he couldn't.

Today the pressure is to bury power lines so we don't have to look at them. We object to cell towers for heaven's sake (and IMO rightly so).

Besides which do you think 'they' will really let us have unregulated power they can't charge us for? Not to mention all those lovely taxes.......

OF
 

djonkoman

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so exactly why do you people think micro-USB would be better?
I like trhe current plug better, with this round one you don't have to pay any attention wich side should be up/down, and you can even turnm it while already plugged in. seems way more convenient to me than micro-USB, wich would require more effort/attention to plug in.
 

stark1

Lonesome Planet
Seems USB is fashionably "in".

A NUB question is. Is it possible to AMP up the power for a
quick-and-dirty charge, without waiting for Niagara to freeze over.

Induction charging would be the next rave, the new in, it would seem. Only a "Grasshopper" would know.

Idle thoughts (nobody home) of an idle mind.

--Runnin, huffin & puffin, on HAWT Air.:ko::bigleaf:
 
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OF

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A NUB question is. Is it possible to AMP up the power for a
quick-and-dirty charge, without waiting for Niagara to freeze over.

Good question, IMO. The general answer is no. The maximum charge rate is set internally to what the maker considers a safe rate (in the case of Air that's about .8 Amps). Providing a source 'good for more' doesn't change that limit any more than plugging a 100 Watt desk lamp in the outlet that a moment before was supplying 1500 Watts to a bathroom heater makes the 100 Watt light brighter.

Air will draw up to about .8 Amps if you let it. I charge mine from the same controller that provides 1.1 Amp to charge my new ESV or the 1.65 Amps used by my new WinBook tablet I use to change the program on the ESV. Exactly the same USB port (capable of up to 3 Amps) using one cable for Air (4mm coax plug) and a different (Micro USB in fact) cable for the ESV and WinBook. My little MP3 player also charges here (with a mini USB cable this time) at about .19 Amps (all it 'wants').

Ironically all you can do from the outside is slow it down by providing a source less than the maximum the charged device is programmed to use as a maximum value. Once you provide 'enough' more does no better.

so exactly why do you people think micro-USB would be better?
I like trhe current plug better, with this round one you don't have to pay any attention wich side should be up/down, and you can even turnm it while already plugged in. seems way more convenient to me than micro-USB, wich would require more effort/attention to plug in.

I'm with you there. Also a round connector is easier to deal with mounting and packaging wise. A single, round hole covers it well and tolerates small mismatches well. Mine isn't perfectly centered, but that makes no practical difference.

They no doubt considered a host of options for power connectors. Unlike cell phones and my new ESV there's no need for more than two connections, meaning a USB connector is twice as big (with 4) than it needs to be. IMO they made a good selection for Solo and simply went with a longer version to prevent accidents by owners who had that 12 Volt gear around the house.

I think there's a solid reason to make power connector round in such cases, which is why it's so popular (and there are so many sizes of coax power connectors).

OF
 
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UnshavenFish

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I may have understood wrong...but a quick and dirty charge could be possible but we would need more info on battery. If we knew the c rating correct me if I'm wrong but we could use that with the mah and work out a faster charge rate (unless already at limit but prob not) but even then you would need a good hobby charger to fine tune charge rate. Not something i would recommend unless knowledgeable on battery safety and limits but something for our experts here maybe
 

Kief

Medicated
A NUB question is. Is it possible to AMP up the power for a
quick-and-dirty charge, without waiting for Niagara to freeze over.
Yes, you can charge the cells externally at 2A (2000mA) with an aftermarket charger. The cell manufacturer's site does state that it's safe to charge these at a rate up to 1C. You have to look a little harder to find a charger that will charge at 2A, but they're out there... a few have been mentioned in this thread already.
 
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CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
FCer @CentiZen has been checking out this unit and the battery system since it came out. You might want to do a search and read up on all @CentiZen and @OF has to say about the battery and charging. A lot of info.

Arizer recommends not using a third party charger but it's your call.
 

Skeena

Standing stone faced like a statue.
The only third party charger I have is the one that came with the thermovape cera (tenergy) will this suffice?
Or should I just use the standard one.
 

UnshavenFish

Well-Known Member
FCer @CentiZen has been checking out this unit and the battery system since it came out. You might want to do a search and read up on all @CentiZen and @OF has to say about the battery and charging. A lot of info.

Arizer recommends not using a third party charger but it's your call.

@CentiZen actually found that "On the bright side though, any charger that is designed to work with Li-Ion batteries is going to be compatible with these cells, although most will only charge them to around 90% capacity. Please keep in mind that these batteries are not protected and should not be used in any unprotected devices!" This is from his thread on air battery.

Also my unit seems to behave different in regards to voltage levels as i posted earlier charging in unit with supplied cable full charge is 4.20 and low (when unit wont turn on) is 3.40 i do have the updated/battery level air, this could be part of the software update or might just be my unit or even that my readings are not under load and @CentiZen's are. Would be interested if anyone else has has similar findings

Also like @CarolKing says there is a lot of good info here. This place really helped me decide to go for the air , took a lot of reading but was more than worth it as even things i hadn't thought about had already been asked and answered here :clap:
 

WoodVillain

Backwoods Rated
vortex stem and gong... come on.. restock.. preferably at the same tine :(

PLEASE. Although im still waiting on my PVHES... Im hoping Monday now. Hoping.

I wish other companies would start making high efficiency stems as well. I love wood... Hence my screen name, but i prefer glass to smoke/vape from so those wood stems dont really get my attention.

But it would be nice to see some stateside companies putting out things like the turbo and vortex stem. Or even if PV sold them to Arizer to sell... Just cant say im a fan of paying higher shipping fees for PV than for Arizer and still getting much slower shipping speeds.
 
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