The Grasshopper

TheWhisper said:

I dunno. Looking at the Verizion FiOS site, they say: "FiOS Quantum is the top tier of Verizon FiOS Speeds – ranging from 50/50 Mbps to 500/500 Mbps." With Google Fiber, you get 1000 Mbps. So, Verizon's claim to be the nation's fastest internet is clearly false.

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Do you think they might be talking about "Wireless Internet" maybe?

t-dub said:

Do you think they might be talking about "Wireless Internet" maybe?

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Well, FiOS isn't wireless. It's fiber cable. So, I'm not sure what you mean. Could you please elaborate?

TheWhisper said:

Well, FiOS isn't wireless. It's fiber cable. So, I'm not sure what you mean. Could you please elaborate?

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I saw Verizon and assumed it was wireless. My bad. Thats why I asked.

t-dub said:

I saw Verizon and assumed it was wireless. My bad. Thats why I asked.

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If you don't ask, you'll never learn Verizon seems to be pretty consistent about keeping wireless stuff under the Verizon Wireless/VZW brand, which is completely separate from the Verizon FiOS brand.

PAZ said:

How many vape companies are able to have that many sales without having a product? Not many.

So instead of doing all this R&D into a product that may or may not sell, they know they already have a product that have piqued people's interest enough to do a pre-order.

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Actually, so far they have zero sales, if you consider sales being an exchange of money for goods. They only have collected money, they have not delivered the goods. Legally speaking, I don't believe they can book sales until they deliver product. And not to put too fine a point on it, they do not actually have a product, otherwise they would have delivered it to the people who paid money for it. So far, they get an A for accepting money and an incomplete for delivering product. I hope for the sake of the people who paid them in the hope of receiving a product that Grasshopper or Zenvape or whoever they are fulfill their part of the bargain. For my part, they are hawking vaporware until proven otherwise.

hoptimum said:

For my part, they are hawking vaporware...

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Well, they are. Literally.

TheWhisper said:

Yet, phone companies (and most electronics companies) quote standby battery lives when talking about battery life in their advertising. While I think this is deceitful, it is just how marketers do it for electronic devices. From my perspective, it looks like the GH guys initially quoted standby life because that's how everyone else does it, but they then realized that this metric means jack shit, so they used a more meaningful one. If that's how it actually played out on their end, then I actually have to give them props for that — not for initially using standby life, but for changing it to a better metric.

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And yet the last phone I bought specified standby battery life and in use battery life separately. If you read the small print in phone advertisements it usually states if it standby battery life they are quoting.

Krazzykid said:

It's not us trying to spin it, just trying to understand it.

Trevor himself is the one that said the original 3-4 hour continuous usage actually meant "on and hot", not inhaling. We are being told that it never meant producing vapor for 3-4 hours.

It's kind of shady of them to make that distinction at this stage of the game, but it is what it is.

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So they think the word usage means standby? I guess thats an excuse...

TheWhisper said:

Well, they are. Literally.

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Indeed, pun was gleefully intended

hoptimum said:

Actually, so far they have zero sales, if you consider sales being an exchange of money for goods. They only have collected money, they have not delivered the goods. Legally speaking, I don't believe they can book sales until they deliver product. And not to put too fine a point on it, they do not actually have a product, otherwise they would have delivered it to the people who paid money for it. So far, they get an A for accepting money and an incomplete for delivering product. I hope for the sake of the people who paid them in the hope of receiving a product that Grasshopper or Zenvape or whoever they are fulfill their part of the bargain. For my part, they are hawking vaporware until proven otherwise.

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Well I gues crowd-sourcing projects isn't your cup of tea than. That's kind of how these things work. If you backed the project, you would know they've given 40 updates since the start of their campaign, many which include what part of the hardware stage they are in.

You're more than welcome to be a skeptic, but they've been transparent every step of the way of where they are in their production process.

PAZ said:

Well I gues crowd-sourcing projects isn't your cup of tea than. That's kind of how these things work. If you backed the project, you would know they've given 40 updates since the start of their campaign, many which include what part of the hardware stage they are in.

You're more than welcome to be a skeptic, but they've been transparent every step of the way of where they are in their production process.

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Whether or not I like crowd sourcing is irrelevant (it so happens I do), I am merely correcting you on 2 salient points. 1) You are confusing crowd sourced investments with sales. They are not sales until a product changes hands. If not, the money goes back to the customer. It never goes in the books as a sale. 2) Which leads us to your second misrepresentation, that they have a product. They do not. They may have a concept for a product or a prototype, but unless its ready for prime time, its not a product, i.e. it has not been commercially produced so far as the customer is concerned. Their financing strategy, updates and transparency, and my skepticism have nothing to do with it. The company has no sales because they have no product. Unless you can prove otherwise and show us a picture of you holding up a Grasshopper, along with your receipt (please redact your credit card number)

The silver lining in all of this is that the backers and the first batch of pre-orders should be shipped in March. So it's not too much longer and we can get definitive answers to our questions from non-biased users. I hope this next update has something in it pointing towards the fact that they are shipping them in March. We already know that we are getting abv pics, so that's good. Hopefully with that ig money, they invested in a quality camera. It's going to suck if it's another pixelated blown up picture. Maybe on the 1st we will get that review. But it will be taken with a grain of salt unless it is done by a well known non-biased reviewer. I hope they have enough sense to realize this.

Scott A said:

So they think the word usage means standby? I guess thats an excuse...

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Seems perfectly reasonable to me that they would consider in use to just mean device is turned on, that means battery is literally in use, engaged powering the device.

Inhaling is the difference, and they probably defined that simply as inhaling, not more broadly as use. Use is just the device is on, it is using energy by being on.

From Trevor's last response, it seems to imply at a low-mid temp, if you sip on it very slow and lightly, you could get much longer battery life than someone honking on it, like someone mentioned above.

And we know when they made those initial claims they knew less about the details of getting their product and company really going, ofcourse they went with those maximums for battery life. Now that they know better, and see what we expect, they're aiming to provide a more precise form if measurement. Bc in reality, based on draw, battery life will be different for everyone. It could even be different for every "session" you have.

As I said before this seems like its got some of the best elements of the Firefly, Elevape, and Thermovape, with a little crafty tech thrown in as well for the heater adjusting its power based on your draw. To me it seems like the best of many vapes, though there are ofcourse compromises, this still sounds more and more like my ideal on the go/out and about portable...

Ok, I have read every message in this thread from about page 140 on as well as pages 1-30. I've also read a lot on reddit.

I have so many thoughts and comments about what I have read so far. And while I plan on reading the rest of the posts before the first Grasshopper (GH) gets in the hands of a real person I thought I would jump in with this now:

First, and only because I can't seem to shake it, the issue of stealthiness. I fell in love with the Grasshopper for most of the same reasons as many in this discussion. In my head this form factor is super stealthy. At least in the sense that I'll be able to quickly take it out, use it, and put it away in less than 2 minutes for as small a load as I could want.

There have been a couple of comments about how a mouthpiece attachment/cover would make it less stealthy. As I said I love its stealthiness but how stealthy is it really to stick a pen in your mouth and suck for 20-30 seconds? I'm not seeing a lot of that in the real world. Whatever. Not important. Just couldn't let it go. No offense meant.

I am disappointed because I understood it would have a battery that would last three hours of me doing what I wanted to with it. Seems that was a foolish hope and one I wish the GH team were clearer on from the beginning (to those who expressed the sentiment that I should have known better; sorry, I really didn't [why would/should I?]).

I'm still pretty certain that the GH it will still meet 92% of my requirements for real world usage so I'll let the battery life issue go (if I can't change the reality, I'd rather lower my expectations and be happy). The water pipe attachment is the one thing I want that is not currently available.

I'm new to this whole Grasshopper experience and I'm so excited I could pee; I can't believe how long some of us have been waiting and what you must be feeling.

One last thing I would like to say for now is how great the GH team has been in responding to my emails. I was truly struck by how thorough, informative and complete the responses I have received have been. I mean, it was really notable compared with so many other responses I have received from companies over many years of asking questions.

Here's to the successful delivery of what I hope everyone Intends will become a truly magical and amazing vaporizer.

BTW- It's hard to embrace everyone's opinions but in the end it is more than worth it to do so, don't you think?

JiggyJack said:

One last thing I would like to say for now is how great the GH team has been in responding to my emails. I was truly struck by how thorough, informative and complete the responses I have received have been. I mean, it was really notable compared with so many other responses I have received from companies over many years of asking questions.

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If your emails contain any info about the vape that hasn't been posted in the thread previously, I think we'd all appreciate some excerpts

Some of this has been addressed but I'll give you the full context.

JiggyJack said:

Q: My friends and I were wondering about the design change which moved the chamber from the tip to the body. Why the change? The tip seemed perfect as it could just be dropped in a cleaning solution bing-bang-boom. Will the body now build up a residue that needs cleaning and if so will it be as easy to clean? Can we submerge the end of the body in a cleaning solution or would that impact the electronics?

A: The chamber was moved for a number of reasons including thermal advantages, ease of manufacturing and increased durability. You can still clean it by soaking the front side in IPA after removing the battery.

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So still soakable, neat.

hoptimum said:

Whether or not I like crowd sourcing is irrelevant (it so happens I do), I am merely correcting you on 2 salient points. 1) You are confusing crowd sourced investments with sales. They are not sales until a product changes hands. If not, the money goes back to the customer. It never goes in the books as a sale. 2) Which leads us to your second misrepresentation, that they have a product. They do not. They may have a concept for a product or a prototype, but unless its ready for prime time, its not a product, i.e. it has not been commercially produced so far as the customer is concerned. Their financing strategy, updates and transparency, and my skepticism have nothing to do with it. The company has no sales because they have no product. Unless you can prove otherwise and show us a picture of you holding up a Grasshopper, along with your receipt (please redact your credit card number)

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If the product doesn't change hands, the money doesn't go back to the consumer. It states that both on kickstarter and indiegogo that you're investing in the idea, and they're not responsible if their end of the deal isn't completed. While it should happen and they state it in the terms of service thaty they will provide the information, theres been quite a few campaigns where there was no resolution between the campaign and contributers.

Edit: Actually, I don't know where your getting this idea where I said they have a product. I literally said "How many companies would be able to have this many sales without a product". So yes, I shouldn't have said sales, but i'm pretty sure the majority of this forum knew what I was talking about and you're nitpicking at this point.

JiggyJack said:

You can still clean it by soaking the front side in IPA after removing the battery.

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I know which IPA that *I'll* be soaking it in...

i bet that beer is painfully bitter

Grasshopper.com

Heard this on the radio the other day lol.

pink said:

i bet that beer is painfully bitter

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Just like me ...

HillaryClinton said:

Grasshopper.com

Heard this on the radio the other day lol.

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Wow, that's a pretty big pivot! Maybe we'll be seeing vape-through-the-phone soon.

TheWhisper said:

Wow, that's a pretty big pivot! Maybe we'll be seeing vape-through-the-phone soon.

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Love this show.

HillaryClinton said:

Love this show.

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If anybody could finish the ultimate "dick-jerk" equation to full completion, it would be the GH team...

...I'm sure hoping their message tomorrow will be telling us that the first units are shipping out to the first investors...or, that it will be happening before the next message at mid-month.

...if there are still more delays because of something some manufacturer somewhere did or didn't do right or on time...I think we'll just have to keep on waiting because their is nothing we can fucking do about it...