next generation e-nails?

All that depends on the enail setup you get man

My enail is more expensive than my nail and I am prepared to invest for the best. I understand not everyone has that budget allocated for their dab rig however!

I'd love to find out about some cheaper quartz enails which work well though, is anyone eyeing off buying a Terpz?

Ok I've got more developed thoughts on these new nails now.

First of all I need to say that even as an insert on plain old Ti, Sapphire is hands down the tastiest material I've ever dabbed onto, even without a carb necessitating higher temps (390c). However, being an insert and not wanting the dab to touch the titanium, bhombs and massive .3g+ dabs are not gonna happen on this setup even when I have a carb cap.

This is where the Deep Dish Banger comes in. Taste is everything I expect from perfectly heated quartz. Basically, it doesn't get better than this without resorting to ceramic, sapphire and from what I hear on good authority - SiC. However, most of you know this about nail materials already. The Deep Dish Banger has a convective chamber to trap air which will be heated by the coil below the dish to keep the floor of the dish more evenly heated.

Whether or not the convective chamber works in this fashion, this nail excels at HUGE carb capped dabs/preferably bhombs with the least wastage you'll get so long as you have your temp and technique appropriately tuned. I am not exagerrating when I say I could drop a 3g slab of shatter into this dish and still fit the carb cap on snugly above it with enough clearance not to draw excessive reclaim through the piece!

If you want idiot proof low temp dabs regardless of the dosage, this is the nail to buy - or it seemingly was, apparently this was a limited edition product and doesn't seem to be on d-nails site anymore.

A final word on the ti/sapphire combo:
Please DO NOT USE sapphire inserts without seasoning your Ti first. When we first set up a new enail we may not know the best temps to dab with that particular nail yet. This can lead to pooling of oil beneath the insert, which will pool all over unseasoned Ti and make a pretty solid fusion between sapphire and ti - this will require you getting the nail WAY too hot for the sapphire to clean off this sticky layer without some serious fiddling.

From what I have read, the China quartz products are low grade quartz that contain high amounts aluminum filler.

Been Vapin said:

From what I have read, the China quartz products are low grade quartz that contain high amounts aluminum filler.

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Whoa, just finished a huge edit with more thoughts on my new nails to read this! Do you have a source on this? That is pretty diabolical if true!

Edit: I'd be surprised if Chinese quartz had aluminium in it, quartz is not a particularly expensive commodity. What is expensive is the time and labor expense of making high quality, well engineered and designed quartz nails. However if someone made a high-quality knock-off (all ethical considerations aside), that would mitigate this problem.

herbivore21 said:

Whoa, just finished a huge edit with more thoughts on my new nails to read this! Do you have a source on this? That is pretty diabolical if true!

Edit: I'd be surprised if Chinese quartz had aluminium in it, quartz is not a particularly expensive commodity. What is expensive is the time and labor expense of making high quality, well engineered and designed quartz nails. However if someone made a high-quality knock-off (all ethical considerations aside), that would mitigate this problem.

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I do not have citeable sources. There is discussion in the this link including some from comments from the Errletric people.
http://instagram.com/p/zIwP_3zaQu/?modal=true

Although most these people have a financial interest in this subject, I felt it was worth bringing up for discussion in this is thread because safety is paramount. Can't be huffing silica and alumina willingly all day (if true)

Errlectric seems to be pulling stuff out of his ass on that post. And then there's a guy who makes money off of selling over-priced quartz telling you the China quartz is dangerous...what a shocker. Not saying China quartz isn't bad, but until I see some sources from people who aren't making money off of it being bad, I won't believe it.

"The only reason they can sell those knock offs so cheap is because they are straight from china and lower grade purity"

"straight from china and lower grade purity"

Seems legit.

Hmmmm I will look into it further at a later date, but alumina does not equal aluminium for a start. Sapphire for example is another form of aluminium oxide (aka alumina).

Here we have one known safe aluminium oxide to dab on. Are there other aluminium oxides which are not safe to dab on? I don't know at this stage, but I'll look into it.

Also none of this changes the fact that quartz is a cheap commodity!

We should not take the word of people who have a financial interest when they are comparing their product to a cheaper competitor. They may know their product and business back-to-front, but that doesn't mean they know how their competitors cut costs! Also I find it very doubtful that anyone is finding alumina substantially cheaper than quartz enough to justify the difference from $30-$180 lol

anyone even know the real diffrence between good old borosilicate glass and quartz glass?

the only real diffrence is that corning glass is made from non crystalline silica where as quartz is made from crystalline silica.

I would also have serious doubts about any type of low grade metals being present like aluminum becuase it would be fumed out of the glass during processing with heat.

but pretty much any american manufacturer has to try and deture you from going the china route becuase the US manufacturers are often charging 4x what Chinese vendors are...

propaganda works regardless of who slings it.

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however there are sub grades of quartz glass. check this link out for further reading...
http://www.quartz.com/gedata.html

so now starts the great quartz wars just like titanium... although just like that debate.... I feel it will end in the same result... some will tout expensive products claiming they are better... while cheaper sources will use quality material as well... but have a harder time proving it since propaganda tends to sway to the side with the greatest capital gain/loss potential.

so does your vendor use :

224LD - Low Alkali Quartz Tubing
244LD Low Alkali/Low Aluminum Quartz Tubing
Low (OH-)
Type 214
Type 219
Type 254
Type 021
Types 214A, 219A, and 254A

Yeah I agree with @farscaper and @herbivore21. I think we may be overthinking the contaminants in glass/quartz issue. The question is: Is there any benefit to the glassblower in adding materials that would make our glass unsafe. Especially if the contaminant is more costly than the glass/quartz itself. Although we don't drink out of Lead crystal anymore because of contamination(10-30% lead by weight). The Lead was added to make the glass easier to work, and cheaper to melt due to more readily available fuel. Labor cost, quality and consistency of workmanship, IMO are the main factors. There is also the "name brand" premium charge that goes along with the higher overhead that a "name brand" will inevitably have.

Does anyone have info on Domeless.com?

I ordered the 710 Whip with the ceramic bowl and cap but have not gotten an update.

I tried calling their phone number but nobody answered or machine to leave a voicemail.

That whole setup for $140 shipped to Hawaii is not too bad...fc101 saved me $24.

Now if it can get across that Pacific Ocean...

redijedi808 said:

Does anyone have info on Domeless.com?

I ordered the 710 Whip with the ceramic bowl and cap but have not gotten an update.

I tried calling their phone number but nobody answered or machine to leave a voicemail.

That whole setup for $140 shipped to Hawaii is not too bad...fc101 saved me $24.

Now if it can get across that Pacific Ocean...

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When did you order it? Probably best to just send him a message through here.

When I ordered mine I got a tracking number the same day and then it took 2 weeks to get to Canada.

redijedi808 said:

Does anyone have info on Domeless.com?

I ordered the 710 Whip with the ceramic bowl and cap but have not gotten an update.

I tried calling their phone number but nobody answered or machine to leave a voicemail.

That whole setup for $140 shipped to Hawaii is not too bad...fc101 saved me $24.

Now if it can get across that Pacific Ocean...

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waiting on one myself actually. but I only ordered yesterday.

redijedi808 said:

Does anyone have info on Domeless.com?

I ordered the 710 Whip with the ceramic bowl and cap but have not gotten an update.

I tried calling their phone number but nobody answered or machine to leave a voicemail.

That whole setup for $140 shipped to Hawaii is not too bad...fc101 saved me $24.

Now if it can get across that Pacific Ocean...

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I know Darid who runs domeless.com, he is good people! Email him as I've found him not to answer the phone sometimes ;-)

Im hopefully going to have a call with The Terpz guys tonight and maybe get a unit coming to test. They have a reasonably priced unit with quartz nails.

Hopefully if we can work things out I can give you guys a review really soon.

PoopMachine said:

Im hopefully going to have a call with The Terpz guys tonight and maybe get a unit coming to test. They have a reasonably priced unit with quartz nails.

Hopefully if we can work things out I can give you guys a review really soon.

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Oh damn, now I remember why I didn't get the Terpz when I was looking at enails.

These quartz nails will almost definitely pool up oil at the bottom.



Look how low the floor of the dish is! It is certainly below the hottest part of the coil... This is the most commonly reported issue I've read about with quartz enails.

Consider these enails, which are known to be epic:



Note that the floor of the dish is in the middle here, so it gets heated by the warmest part of the coil. This design decision is essential for good quartz enail function IME and IMO.

I don't hold high hopes (pun intended) for this one, but still interested to hear the review

I actually sent him a message first pertaining to the coil for the rdk200.

After researching further, I came to the conclusion that all I really need is the 710 Whip in which I purchased on Sunday so technically yesterday.

I will seat patient after knowing others are in the same boat.

I just broke my quartz and can't wait to try some low temp ceramic dabs.

**okay, I just got a call back from Darid and he updated me. He answered my questions and made me feel comfortable to call him anytime if I had any others. He truly is a cool guy and I can't wait to test out his product. He said he constantly has ideas to improve it so looks like I'll be a 710 Whip user for quite awhile! I thought I was the first to get one in Hawaii but looks like I'm late in the game....how come my fellow local vapers never introduced me to this sooner, well, I'll be introducing it to a few friends this weekend...

Just as a heads up for those who didn't know cfab has some awesome quartz bangers and other nails. I have one and it is very thick and very well made IMO. Coil sits at the bottom of the dish so it works well



http://cfab.bigcartel.com


I really like the look of his Atomic Bangers...they are suuuuper thick!!

GSH said:

Just as a heads up for those who didn't know cfab has some awesome quartx bangers. I have one and it is very think and very well made IMO.

http://cfab.bigcartel.com

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http://cfab.bigcartel.com/product/quartz-dome-less-with-raised-bottom-bowl-free-shpping

That one looks like a knock-off of the PukinBeagle Vortex nail. Raised floor of dish on this one though guys! Looks like there is a cheaper quartz enail which might be good.

Wow, I only just realised that the Pukinbeagle nail was $280! That seems like a hell of a lot for just the nail. cfab seems like a much more realistic option for me if I want that type of nail. But for now the banger and ceramic from domeless.com will do me I think.

GSH said:

Wow, I only just realised that the Pukinbeagle nail was $280! That seems like a hell of a lot for just the nail. cfab seems like a much more realistic option for me if I want that type of nail. But for now the banger and ceramic from domeless.com will do me I think.

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To be fair, that CFAB nail is a direct, shameless rip-off from the look of it! You cannot expect the designer of the original to charge as little as the guy who plagiarized it - one of them went through the trial and error of design, the other started off knowing exactly what they needed to make

Still yes, it appears to be a steal if it works well!

herbivore21 said:

To be fair, that CFAB nail is a direct, shameless rip-off from the look of it! You cannot expect the designer of the original to charge as little as the guy who plagiarized it - one of them went through the trial and error of design, the other started off knowing exactly what they needed to make

Still yes, it appears to be a steal if it works well!

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To be really fair though...what can a $280 nail do that a $35 one can't? The guy who invented the ballpoint pen was the first to do it but I doubt he put a $95 price tag on it. I guess it's the same as the people who spend like 14k on a Mothership piece. I'll never understand.

Jared said:

To be really fair though...what can a $280 nail do that a $35 dollar one can't? The guy who invented the ballpoint pen was the first to do it but I doubt he put a $95 price tag on it. I guess it's the same as the people who spend like 14k on a Mothership piece. I'll never understand.

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All of the $35 nails I've seen have poolingly low floor of dish. That is the difference.

The quartz nail that is the direct clone of the $280 vortex nail sells on cfab for $75 USD. This and the banger that @GSH posted above look like they will function well though!

You don't need to understand brother, my purchases are my business as are everyone else's

I simply have pointed out the nails that appear to work from those which don't, acknowledging cheaper and more expensive designs which appear like they will have good function (like CFAB's stuff!) or which I know to have good function (like the PB stuff). The price and what you are prepared to pay is between you and your wallet, my friend!

herbivore21 said:

Oh damn, now I remember why I didn't get the Terpz when I was looking at enails.

These quartz nails will almost definitely pool up oil at the bottom.

Look how low the floor of the dish is! It is certainly below the hottest part of the coil... This is the most commonly reported issue I've read about with quartz enails.

Consider these enails, which are known to be epic:

Note that the floor of the dish is in the middle here, so it gets heated by the warmest part of the coil. This design decision is essential for good quartz enail function IME and IMO.

I don't hold high hopes (pun intended) for this one, but still interested to hear the review

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I dont know that this is their current offering and I was going to talk to them about possibly working with our local quartz dude for a different style nail.

@GSH , how do the coils attach to the bangers?

I got the 20mm coil from Auber, and it just slips over the bottom of the banger and then you rest the arm of the coil on the little glass shelf thing on the banger. That seems to sit the coil at the bottom of the nails dish





As for the blatant vortex nail knock off, I am in no way condoning it. But then I wasn't aware either that Pukinbeagle came up with the design. I think I prefer the look banger anyway.

@herbivore21 Apart from the dish being located at the right height, what other advantages does the vortex nail give mate?

Cheers

GSH said:

@herbivore21 Apart from the dish being located at the right height, what other advantages does the vortex nail give mate?

Cheers

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Nectar collector downstem, basically your claim collects in the tube below the dish rather than in the piece

I am missing this feature on the Deep Dish Banger! lol

The PB DDB I got is definitely a cut above other nails with the floor of the cup being heated by the convective chamber below the dish. The floor of a banger nail dish is very big because there is no air intake hole in the middle, and to heat all of this evenly is not so easy with a barrel coil (which has no contact with the floor of the dish) using quartz as the distributor of heat.

Otherwise though aside from being slightly deeper I can't see any difference between that and the CFAB banger. The CFAB Banger looks great and doesn't seem to knock off anything from anyone either

@PoopMachine that is an epic idea! Definitely let them know that the floor of the dish must be at the center of the coil or it is gonna be an oil swimming pool, not a dab rig!

redijedi808 said:

Does anyone have info on Domeless.com?

I ordered the 710 Whip with the ceramic bowl and cap but have not gotten an update.

I tried calling their phone number but nobody answered or machine to leave a voicemail.

That whole setup for $140 shipped to Hawaii is not too bad...fc101 saved me $24.

Now if it can get across that Pacific Ocean...

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Just ordered some parts over the weekend and got them yesterday. The process usually goes something like: you place the order, wait a day or so, get an email giving you a tracking number, then you just wait for it to show up. If you have not gotten an email with a tracking number and it has been a few days, I would start emailing them/instagraming them/whatever means you have to try and contact them.

They usually are pretty good with this sort of stuff IME. I have noticed that they use the cheapest shipping, which also means the slowest.