Anony Moose
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If you nail-dab and convection vape an equal amount of the same concentrate, will the nail dab get you higher, less high or equally high? If higher or less high, why?
Does Dabbing On A Nail Get You Higher Than Convection Vaping Concentrate
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paytonpenn
Level 30 Nature/Healer
What's the convection vape, temperature limits matter. It's a bit variable, if I load a lot for a dab and put the equivalent in a convection vape the convection vape will give me multiple hits at least 4 thick clouds. The issue is not all vapes do as well as others.
CG420
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It really depends on your meds. Convection will always have thicker clouds due to higher ratios of heat + air coming towards your bowls. Conduction vapes absorb the heat into a bowl which gives a more even output of heat within the time you inhale. That's why when you pull/inhale fast from convection type vapes you'll notice it produces clouds fairly quick. With conduction vapes, you need slower draws to achieve the same results. My Sublimator is both but works better as a conduction vape since I have to wait for my apollo to heat up to temp as well in order to achieve optimum vapor. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though.
There are nails now with equal temp readouts and they fare better than regular nails that require a torch setup to manually get to temp. If you're asking if a nail dab is more of a heavy high, it really depends if you are low/high-temping, quality of your dabs. I'd say nails will always give you a heavier high but that's not always the case as there are many other vaporizers with their own signature to how heavy the high can be. At the end of the day, if it's NUG RUN you wouldn't necessarily give a shit what you're dabbing it off, long as it's clean and tasty... You're good to go. Hope you find what you're looking for.
There are nails now with equal temp readouts and they fare better than regular nails that require a torch setup to manually get to temp. If you're asking if a nail dab is more of a heavy high, it really depends if you are low/high-temping, quality of your dabs. I'd say nails will always give you a heavier high but that's not always the case as there are many other vaporizers with their own signature to how heavy the high can be. At the end of the day, if it's NUG RUN you wouldn't necessarily give a shit what you're dabbing it off, long as it's clean and tasty... You're good to go. Hope you find what you're looking for.
Bouldorado
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I'd say nails are more efficient. I.e more of the oil you dab makes it into your lungs, and less of it stays behind as reclaim. If you take a dab and immediately exhale though, you're definitely wasting more THC than if you took more and smaller hits through a convection vape. Unless you're dabbing way more than you can take in on one hit, you'll probably get higher from the nail IMO.
Anony Moose
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V-Tower (Extreme-Q minus the fan) in my case. Temperature limit (measured at core of heater) is 500 F. It seems to fully vaporize concentrate for me. A bed of kief, a bed of crushed partially vaped flower and cotton all work well when "elbow packed" to keep it from melting through the screen(s).
High quality nug run budder and glass from strong strains such as Bruce Banner #3.
People have told me that dabbing off a nail gets you a lot higher than convection vaping, so I thought if that is the case, maybe the higher temperatures involved break the vapor up into finer particles which are more readily available for the lungs to absorb. Does anyone think there's any truth to this or is convection vaping going to be just as efficient for me?
If it's just a matter of dabbing being stronger because of less reclaim, well, I harvest my reclaim so this is a non-issue for me.
tl;dr: I'm trying to decide whether a dabbing rig will be worth the money for me.
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paytonpenn
Level 30 Nature/Healer
The Tower doesn't go that high you'd probably get higher and waste less oil with a rig of some sort.
I really like the Hammer since I can do convection dabs at 500f+ while also taking a nail dab.
Anony Moose
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Uh, you sure on that? I can EASILY combust flower with it, and I'm just using elbow packs into the Cyclone bowl, not even the shorter DDave bowl that puts the flower closer to the heater cover.
If you're sure on that despite what I just said, why is a higher temperature more efficient?
I should note that I'm not seeing any noticeable increase in reclaim buildup in my whip or water pieces (when compared to using flower) since I started vaping concentrates, certainly not the kind of reclaim buildup I see in dabbers' waterpieces. I've been placing them on cotton or a bed of very compressed kief or flower, as well as using three EZ-load bowl screens stacked into the H20 adapter, so maybe that's why.
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paytonpenn
Level 30 Nature/Healer
Sorry, I mean 500f isn't that high for concentrates, it's low temp dabbing.
Anony Moose
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OK, so why would a higher temperature be more efficient then? I would imagine all of the actives are still being vaporized at 500 F.
paytonpenn
Level 30 Nature/Healer
If 500f is low temp dabbing you're wasting oil that would've been vaporized if you could have gone at higher temps. That stuff that didn't get hot enough is reclaim.
Anony Moose
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Oh, OK. Well, I've been dumping all of my concentrate bowls into my AVB bag, and I harvest reclaim from every single surface along the path from my medicine to my mouth, so this doesn't bother me. Nothing is being wasted, it'll all be consumed at a later date in some way or form.
syrupy
Authorized Buyer
I see it as nails allow higher temps which equals a quicker vaporization, which will allow a larger dosage per lungful. That assumes the larger the dose, the higher one gets. Convection would probably allow better taste and a healthier non-combusted experience. So I guess the nail wins.
Anony Moose
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We talking total dose or per-hit dose here?
Part of the equation should also be that I can rip 3 dabs with my e-nail in the time it takes to do one convection setup and dab. Not knocking conv-o-dabs. I can't wait to get my Enano to actually try it. But it's all relative. I think each can have its place in ones arsenal. If you are curious, there are many rigs to be had on DhGate for <$50. I have more than 10. This is my recent fave.
http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/2015-new-glass-smoking-bongs-based-water/216674730.html
http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/2015-new-glass-smoking-bongs-based-water/216674730.html
syrupy
Authorized Buyer
Either way I think dabs win. Since one can take bigger dabs because of how hot they can get, the choice is to get high quicker or get higher in the same amount of time. It's really just theorizing because my goal isn't to get as high as possible. But if it were, I'd use the setup @DieHard posted. Holds temps pretty constant and the water tool cooling things should make for an even larger experience.
Anony Moose
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@DieHard The FC-710 is exactly what I had in mind if I am going to get a dabbing rig.
@syrupy I'm not really concerned with how high I get in a specific period of time, just how high a specific amount of concentrate will get me. Completely aside from the time period it takes to consume it all, and ignoring concentrate lost to reclaim, does taking bigger hits (as in dabbing) get you higher using the same amount of concentrate as taking smaller hits, and if so, why?
@syrupy I'm not really concerned with how high I get in a specific period of time, just how high a specific amount of concentrate will get me. Completely aside from the time period it takes to consume it all, and ignoring concentrate lost to reclaim, does taking bigger hits (as in dabbing) get you higher using the same amount of concentrate as taking smaller hits, and if so, why?
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You won't be dissapointed. The flavor with this rig is the best of the ones I have.
Enchantre
Oil Painter
I have a few ways of dabbing.
I have a standard oil rig, with Ti & Quartz nails, domes, no domes, carb cap...
I also do dabs using the VXL EVO & VXN setup, and I vapor dab using my log vape.
I can get way, way higher with the log vape dabbing, as the initial uncomfortable lung response (I get them from large dabs) doesn't happen. It's sneakier, and I can finish the entire dab over a few draws... with any other method I've used, there is always leftovers/reclaim. Faster high at the beginning, which drops off to a lower level. With vapor dabbing, it ramps up a little slower, but goes higher.
Same sized dabs. Yes.
I'm doing a video this afternoon.
I have a standard oil rig, with Ti & Quartz nails, domes, no domes, carb cap...
I also do dabs using the VXL EVO & VXN setup, and I vapor dab using my log vape.
I can get way, way higher with the log vape dabbing, as the initial uncomfortable lung response (I get them from large dabs) doesn't happen. It's sneakier, and I can finish the entire dab over a few draws... with any other method I've used, there is always leftovers/reclaim. Faster high at the beginning, which drops off to a lower level. With vapor dabbing, it ramps up a little slower, but goes higher.
Same sized dabs. Yes.
I'm doing a video this afternoon.
Mrmrmrmr
Well-Known Member
IMHO nothing beats a convection dab from the enano. A small dab that would give you a decent rip through a rig will easily give you at least 5 solid white milky rips with convection dabbing. The traditional dab is more intense but medicated wise 'vection dabs win. Check out videos from @Caligula on YouTube to see what I'm talking about 
max
Out to lunch
It's all about how much vapor you get at once, as far as effect. There's no high tech design that provides more or better vapor. It's just like booze, where a beer has the same amount of alcohol as a shot of liquor, although the volume of liquid is different.
syrupy
Authorized Buyer
I'm not clear. You state the traditional dab is more intense, wouldn't that make it the winner?
I like the alcohol analogy. How much vapor you get at once is like how much alcohol is a mouthful. I can get much more of an effect from a mouthful of whiskey over a mouthful of beer. In the same way, I can get more of an effect from a lungful of dab than a lungful of vaping. Maybe my convections aren't that good. But even if I got 5 milky convection hits from the same amount as a big dab, I don't see getting any higher than with the same amount from a dab.
I guess it all comes down to what method works best for a person's style.
Edit: my mind has bent from trying to figure this out. Both are extremely effective.
I like the alcohol analogy. How much vapor you get at once is like how much alcohol is a mouthful. I can get much more of an effect from a mouthful of whiskey over a mouthful of beer. In the same way, I can get more of an effect from a lungful of dab than a lungful of vaping. Maybe my convections aren't that good. But even if I got 5 milky convection hits from the same amount as a big dab, I don't see getting any higher than with the same amount from a dab.
I guess it all comes down to what method works best for a person's style.
Edit: my mind has bent from trying to figure this out. Both are extremely effective.
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Anony Moose
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I've always suspected that there's a placebo effect involved re: taking in the same amount of actives in one big hit versus several small ones, e.g., people subconsciously think the former will get them higher in total than the latter. Maybe that's in play here?
Bouldorado
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You get a rush with a large dab that isn't really there with vaping.
paytonpenn
Level 30 Nature/Healer
And you can green out. I think you can force yourself to inhale more thc with conduction dabs (getting you higher) but convection is a far better choice for flavor, longevity, and control.
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