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pakalolo said:

As for draw length, that depends entirely on what I am doing. 4-5 seconds is short, but I don't usually pull for 15-20 seconds either. I guess I normally hit for around 10 seconds.

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And how long do you engage power before inhaling?

lwien said:

And how long do you engage power before inhaling?

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With the PA I usually start taking test puffs after about 5 seconds. If I don't get any vapour, I test about once a second until I do. With a battery it depends on how depleted it is, but if it doesn't start producing after 10 seconds I swap batteries.

So after using this vape for awhile, I've found that a 5 second button hold before inhale, an 8 second button hold during inhale while continuing the inhale for another 5 seconds after release works out perfectly for me and I''ve found that this works equally as well with a fully charged bat down to about a 3/4 charge which is as far as I take it.

I'm REALLY liking this vape now. Just took awhile to find the technique that works for me. Now I just gotta stay disciplined and not alter this technique by getting a bit too greedy and trying to squeeze more out of a hit by either slowing my draw or doing micro hits or increasing the button hold time. Stay within what works, and it works great. Stray from it just a bit and it can reach combustion really quick.

It has permanently replaced my MFLB for conivence hits.

Been enjoying my FV stage 2 as my one hitter throughout the day. I decided to get a couple custom stems from @Ed's TnT ( 1 zebrawood and 1 koa)

Zebrawood


Can't seem to get the koa pic uploaded. Love these stems though!

As long as I stay in the sweet spot I can produce some VERY tasty hits that my MFLB can only dream about.

Got my FV and stage2. Still got the solo, which had a bit of a learning curve (hey 2 months ago I didn't even know what vaping was, been smoking over 20 years lol). Now for the curve on this one. I want to be able to pick up my FV, and in 20 sec take a huge great awesome hit and put it back down and go about my business and not take another hit for a good long time (long enough for a blunt to go out, join to burn up and even the solo to bake the goodness out of it's bowl). I want to do this with no warning (no warmup time, I don't know when I will get my 20 sec, like if I"m gaming and I die but before I respawn I got 15 or 20 sec, boom take a hit). After I mater this FV I'm gonna either get a good bag vape or I'll get the PA and the extracts plate add on. So far I'm getting hit thin smoky air that has almost no resin and a nice hint of ash.

HarmlessJohnny_5 said:

So far I'm getting hit thin smoky air that has almost no resin and a nice hint of ash.

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You're going into combustion.

Do this. Grind your bud VERY fine......I use the MFLB finishing grinder for this. Fill the bowl up half way with this fine grind. Engage the battery for 5 seconds before inhaling and then while the battery is still engaged, take a fairly strong medium fast hit for another 8 seconds, release battery and continue to draw.
Don't enclose your mouth around the stem but rather put your lips slightly loosely on it so you are drawing air along with the vapor.

This vape has the steepest learning curve of any vape that I've ever had before but like I said, once you find the sweet spot, this vape delivers and does it VERY VERY well.

Yeah, I knew it would be tricky when I got it. I absolutely knew I had combusted (I get on the edge of combustion on the solo around 6ish and a for certain hint of ash at 7). I played with it all night and got a bit less bad. This morning gave it a whirl, but those batteries make it for from nothing to you see a hint of vapor to the ash is coming it's too late now.

I think you have to balance that rapid steep warm up time against the rate of pull and some constants that have to do with device construction. but variable are draw and the rapid heat production; all complicated by the delay in what you do before you get the results. This I expected however this device is just direct drive (great wonderful cheap simple bullet proof design; mark on mod 0 last forever design), this means that as battery capacity depletes the speed of heating ramp-up time will increase.

This morning I tried an NCR18650B cell (3.7 volt, great performance as far as current deliver capability but nothing like what the FV includes). Turns out they perform fine but much slower more gental ramp up. I tried it once, got a great hit, no combustion at all (first time with FV for me and still get a hit), then paused to write this. Now back to NCR18650B + FV full 'o super super fine grind + Biology paper. I'm loving this FV more and more, solo -NEVER- gave me a hit like this lol.

Edit: Ah Ha! it seems that NCR18650B will only run the FV effectively with stage 2 installed down to about 4 volts (about 1/4-1/3 of it's capacity can be used, no more) before it's ability to deliver enough current degrades to just below the FV performance requirement threshold. I just gotta learn to control the high current beast (I can see that when I do eventually get this down it's gonna be amazing; I'll probably never solo again unless the FV breaks).

HarmlessJohnny_5 said:

Yeah, I knew it would be tricky when I got it. I absolutely knew I had combusted (I get on the edge of combustion on the solo around 6ish and a for certain hint of ash at 7). I played with it all night and got a bit less bad. This morning gave it a whirl, but those batteries make it for from nothing to you see a hint of vapor to the ash is coming it's too late now.

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Actually if you have a non defective Solo, it will not combust, even on temp 7. What you may have seen was some charring in your ABV, but certainly no ash. Sorry, back to FlashVape.

Kaptan said:

Actually if you have a non defective Solo, it will not combust, even on temp 7. What you may have seen was some charring in your ABV, but certainly no ash. Sorry, back to FlashVape.

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Exactly correct, terminology mistake It is very very faintly charring, not combusting. And the 'burnt' taste is not like that of combustion, similar but not alike (and does not feel as criminal, I'm soloing again lol, will try FV tonight. I get a fine grind but the gental draw seems to pull in only a couple of channels in that big bowl. So I get a few holes in my bowl where the air just passes through and sort of vapes around the edges of those holes (instead of moving through the entire area of the bowl and vaping the whole load a bit).

HarmlessJohnny_5 said:

Yeah, I knew it would be tricky when I got it. I absolutely knew I had combusted (I get on the edge of combustion on the solo around 6ish and a for certain hint of ash at 7). I played with it all night and got a bit less bad. This morning gave it a whirl, but those batteries make it for from nothing to you see a hint of vapor to the ash is coming it's too late now.

I think you have to balance that rapid steep warm up time against the rate of pull and some constants that have to do with device construction. but variable are draw and the rapid heat production; all complicated by the delay in what you do before you get the results. This I expected however this device is just direct drive (great wonderful cheap simple bullet proof design; mark on mod 0 last forever design), this means that as battery capacity depletes the speed of heating ramp-up time will increase.

This morning I tried an NCR18650B cell (3.7 volt, great performance as far as current deliver capability but nothing like what the FV includes). Turns out they perform fine but much slower more gental ramp up. I tried it once, got a great hit, no combustion at all (first time with FV for me and still get a hit), then paused to write this. Now back to NCR18650B + FV full 'o super super fine grind + Biology paper. I'm loving this FV more and more, solo -NEVER- gave me a hit like this lol.

Edit: Ah Ha! it seems that NCR18650B will only run the FV effectively with stage 2 installed down to about 4 volts (about 1/4-1/3 of it's capacity can be used, no more) before it's ability to deliver enough current degrades to just below the FV performance requirement threshold. I just gotta learn to control the high current beast (I can see that when I do eventually get this down it's gonna be amazing; I'll probably never solo again unless the FV breaks).

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Until you get dialed in, try inverting the FV for the first couple of hits. This slows everything down and you'll be able to tell from the taste when things are getting too hot. You also might try learning to use it in conduction mode first.

pakalolo said:

Until you get dialed in, try inverting the FV for the first couple of hits. This slows everything down and you'll be able to tell from the taste when things are getting too hot. You also might try learning to use it in conduction mode first.

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Excellent, I will do both. Never considered inverting but... "DUH!" and the conduction mode? I would have thought that was even trickier but with that lower voltage... maybe so

thanks

Hi everyone, we have an important announcement to make, to the delight of FV fans everywhere:

Introducing the 100% convection FV Turbo with easy to change turbo heating element screens!



The FV Turbo looks and feels exactly the same as the classic FV. The secret is in the revolutionary turbo drop in heating element setup. We've installed solid copper, pressurized conductor rails inside the ceramic heater core, and paired it with the turbo drop in heating element screen. The pressurized connection on the heating element screen is so efficient that it gives FV Turbo red-hot on demand performance with 100% convection vaping. So how easy is it to change the turbo heating element you ask? Honestly, it’s as easy as 1 and 2. This allows the user to change the heating element as often as they like, super easy!


Reference: http://flashvape.com/how-to-replace-fvt-heating-element-screen/

The FV Turbo has the S2 ceramic spacer installed as standard equipment to achieve 100% convection vaping right out of the box. So basically its like Stage-2 performance, from a standard 3.2v S1 cell. This also makes the whole setup more reliable and easier to service.

The FV Turbo works even better with Stage-2 3.7v power cells for blazing fast instant on time, and much longer sessions per cell for a whole new level of on-demand vaping.

The FV Turbo is compatible with all Flashvape parts and accessories, such as the FVPA, Stage-2 3.7v batteries, the WPA, filter screens, tabbed top screen, etc. In fact, the FV Turbo looks exactly the same as the classic FV, the only changes/upgrades are internal (featuring solid copper pressurized conductor rails, with turbo drop in heating element screen).

The FVTurbo is listed on our site at http://flashvape.com/fvturbo,. The FV Turbo deluxe set is priced at $139.99. It is $10 more than the classic FV, and includes a S2 ceramic spacer as standard equipment. Also the heating element screen will be cheaper for the FV Turbo at $12.90 / for a pair. It will be so easy to change you’d want to have a few spares around!



Of course, we will continue to offer and support the classic Flashvape, as the more mellow classic setup performs great and is well suited for the needs of a large number of users

Great improvement for a reliable and solid unit indeed.

Does a classic unit can be upgraded to a pro one? If yes, how?

Just another reason for me to buy a flash vape

Vapodudule said:

Great improvement for a reliable and solid unit indeed.

Does a classic unit can be upgraded to a pro one? If yes, how?

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The FV is designed to be 100% serviceable in the field so this might be possible in theory, but you would have to remove the ceramic heater bowl and replace the copper conductor rods. The difference is that the old rods are round while the new ones have a flat surface for much better contact with the heater screen. I think that getting the rods perfectly in place would be a challenge.

I've been testing the FVT and I can tell you that the improvement is fantastic. The improved contact with the screen results in a much more powerful heater. As FlashVAPE says, it makes the S2 kit usable with S1 batteries. I've been able to dial the PA back to about 7, which is now my standard setting. This is roughly equivalent to the 3.2V S1 battery, and delivers nice performance with the S2 spacer in place. I can lean on the button without much fear of combustion. I say that PA 7 is approximately the same as the S1 battery because I did this test:

Notice the similarity of the PA 7 setting and the 3.2V battery. Notice also that the 3.7V battery is much hotter than the PA at 10.

I've changed the FVT heater screen once and it was a trivial exercise. (The screen was fine but some debris had accumulated over the rods.) With a Classic, you had to bend the conductor rods up to slide out the heater screen. I've done this a few times and I was never comfortable with it because bending the rods weakens them and if you do it often enough they will break. You also have to make sure that the rods are bent back into exact position so that the contact with the screen is perfect. The rods for the FVT are flat, however, and the screen just sits on them so there's no bending required. Perfect contact is assured. This is a major improvement.

The FV has been my preferred device ever since I got the first Stage 1. The FVT is another step forward for an already outstanding design. Congratulations, @FlashVAPE!

I share your technical point @pakalolo about this improvement.

I do not use my FV very often because i think i had damaged my rods a bit and affected the contact somehow. The PA at 10 delivers little heat in comparaison with the beginnning. I missed the inverted phase and WPA also..

whole new world to discover.

Congrats FV, very good stone is set!

Vapodudule said:

I share your technical point @pakalolo about this improvement.

I do not use my FV very often because i think i had damaged my rods a bit and affected the contact somehow. The PA at 10 delivers little heat in comparaison with the beginnning. I missed the inverted phase and WPA also..

whole new world to discover.

Congrats FV, very good stone is set!

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My standard quick test is to insert a charged 3.7V battery, take the FV into a dark room, and observe the screen. It should glow fairly evenly (and brightly) across the whole surface if everything is in good order. If it doesn't glow red then either your battery is no longer any good, or you need a new screen. Bright spots at the edges are a concern. This means a potential hole at the hotspot. If a hole has already developed, you will get a decline in performance just as you describe.

If you've lifted the rods and didn't get them back in place properly, you can cause a hotspot and eventual hole. This (as well as the weakening of the rods that I already described) is why I advise against replacing the heater screen unless you are certain you have to do it. My first action after replacing a screen is to do the dark room test to be sure I haven't created a hotspot.

thanks for all the positive support! big to @pakalolo on a fantastic job with the darkroom shots, and the lab quality report! thank you! yes, the FVT is indeed a major improvement on the most important section of the FV, the heater, and makes HE screen change a simple process. This makes the FVT much more serviceable, and more reliable for long term use.

Been looking for an on demand style vape for some time now. Mflb was always at the top of my list but I don't need stealth. I have read most of this thread and the FV looks awesome. It is exactly what I want. Now that the turbo is out I am on the fence on which to get. With the classic you can always add stage 2 for convection. The turbo is pretty much the classic with stage 2 permanently attached right? When will the turbo be put up on planetvape. I'd buy from flashvapes site but it says all prices are in USD, what?! You are a Canadian company, plus for people North of the border that's quite a bump up in price.
Ok done my rant, just want to add that from all I have read, this vape has a very good following and people are always being creative with it. This tells me this is a vape that will be around for a long time and I want in on the action

AnxiousMe said:

Been looking for an on demand style vape for some time now. Mflb was always at the top of my list but I don't need stealth. I have read most of this thread and the FV looks awesome. It is exactly what I want. Now that the turbo is out I am on the fence on which to get. With the classic you can always add stage 2 for convection. The turbo is pretty much the classic with stage 2 permanently attached right? When will the turbo be put up on planetvape. I'd buy from flashvapes site but it says all prices are in USD, what?! You are a Canadian company, plus for people North of the border that's quite a bump up in price.
Ok done my rant, just want to add that from all I have read, this vape has a very good following and people are always being creative with it. This tells me this is a vape that will be around for a long time and I want in on the action

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The Turbo doesn't have S2 permanently installed. You can remove the spacer whenever you like, and I do. The big difference is in heater efficiency, which has improved enough to permit the use of the S2 spacer with the S1 3.2V battery. There's no reason I can think of to buy the Classic except a real deal on the price.

pakalolo said:

The Turbo doesn't have S2 permanently installed. You can remove the spacer whenever you like, and I do. The big difference is in heater efficiency, which has improved enough to permit the use of the S2 spacer with the S1 3.2V battery. There's no reason I can think of to buy the Classic except a real deal on the price.

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Thanks for explaining the difference. Will be ordering a turbo real soon. With so many techniques and different modifications this vape will keep me busy for quite some time.

I've looked at their website, and it supports all three substances. But i'm afraid it doesn't deliver it's full potential with hash since it's alot smaller. Also, i'm trying to be discrete and weed tend to smell far more.

So can anyone recommend it? I'm thinking about buying it when i acquire some money.

Also, does it make you high? I wanna be fucking high (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧

I have been looking for a good convection style hit-it and quit vape. The flashvapes turbo looks like a great candidate for on demand hits. I have also been looking at the lily and daisy by Triihouse, which have great reviews from Fc members. I have never used a torch vape and am still on the fence with them.
The only thing that's stopped me from pulling the trigger on FV is that it seems no one is selling the turbo. Planetvape.ca told me they were not going to carry it.
I'd but it off there sight but come on, a Canadian company selling canadian made product, selling in USD! It adds over 20% more to the price.
Not sure what to do. Really want and need an on demand vape for quick sessions, but have reservations about both the Daisy(Torch) and FVturbo because no one is selling it in Canada.
If anyone has a recommendation on a good convection vape that allows for pauses and heats up fast, I would be much obliged

AnxiousMe said:

If anyone has a recommendation on a good convection vape that allows for pauses and heats up fast, I would be much obliged

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