Discontinued Elevape SV

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Gentle Friends,

Care to try a little bubbler on our new found friend? How about this one:
http://www.dhgate.com/product/glass...r/213068750.html#myaccount_orderdetail-1-null

This is what it looks perched atop the little rascal. That's about 3/4 inch of 3/8 X 1/2 Silicone tube mating the MP to the inside of the glass:
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Fun aspect about the WT, it doesn't spill! You can lay it on it's side, turn it upside down, no drips. Clever and useful. So you don't even have to remember to keep it straight up and down.....though why bother then?

Anyway, easy, compact and effective. In a few minutes I might reassemble it and test it again. Cheap enough and lots of fun even if it doesn't get a lot of use. You're on your own to deal with the cheap concentrate 'burner'.

Happy Valentines Day to all.

OF
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So these should work really good too, right?

http://m.dhgate.com/product/original-water-pipe-e-shisha-ecig-glass-shisha/213604631.html#pd-019
 
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Had a chance to face off my esv with a davinchi ascent and when I told the person I paid what they paid and that they just missed a half off sale, they got so mad. No matter what we tried we just could not get satisfied off that ascent. It made me really appreciate my esv and goboof. The ascent taste pretty good though....
 
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So after i was told over the phone by vapor nation my unit would ship monday or tues i proceeded to get needed extra's, So a bit over $100 later i get a e-mail saying it's not shipping and there's no eta pick another.:shrug: I hope that e-mail was not correct because now i'm kinda screwed unless someone else has them for $175, Does anyone know the cheapest price on these currently? I can't pick another i have invested too much into this one.
 
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Gentle Friends,

Has anyone else noticed uneven vaping in the bowl? That is most of the work in mine is being done 'on the inside'. That is the side of the bowl closest the MP. A while back I noticed condensate and fouling was collecting on the cap on the side closes the curved part. The screen on my new EV was basically pristine. Then, I forgot to stir and combusted on factory step 2, something brief, but also an experiment I'm not keen or repeating. The combustion was at 12 o'clock as expected, but the herb against the wall at six looked basically unvaped?

Inspecting the bottom (heater) side of the lower screen confirmed what I suspected, hot air is not evenly distributed. It seems because the cold air enters off center, to (you guessed it) six o'clock. The homogenizer isn't able to correct it.

IMO this is an oversight, if it's common. Perhaps some sort of baffle could compensate. Earlier on the penetration from below could have been changed to provide air flow at other places 'around the clock' and lessen the clearance (and therefore flow) around the posts.

Is this just me/mine? Has anyone else noticed this? This has the potential to drive me nuts......I hope it doen't get in the way of enjoying the EV.

Anyway, thanks for listening. Anyone else notice/care? Any thoughts?

TIA

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OF said:
Gentle Friends,

Has anyone else noticed uneven vaping in the bowl? That is most of the work in mine is being done 'on the inside'. That is the side of the bowl closest the MP. A while back I noticed condensate and fouling was collecting on the cap on the side closes the curved part. The screen on my new EV was basically pristine. Then, I forgot to stir and combusted on factory step 2, something brief, but also an experiment I'm not keen or repeating. The combustion was at 12 o'clock as expected, but the herb against the wall at six looked basically unvaped?

Inspecting the bottom (heater) side of the lower screen confirmed what I suspected, hot air is not evenly distributed. It seems because the cold air enters off center, to (you guessed it) six o'clock. The homogenizer isn't able to correct it.

IMO this is an oversight, if it's common. Perhaps some sort of baffle could compensate. Earlier on the penetration from below could have been changed to provide air flow at other places 'around the clock' and lessen the clearance (and therefore flow) around the posts.

Is this just me/mine? Has anyone else noticed this? This has the potential to drive me nuts......I hope it doen't get in the way of enjoying the EV.

Anyway, thanks for listening. Anyone else notice/care? Any thoughts?

TIA

OF
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Yours didn't come with a stir cap? I read about it some pages back, and ways to fashion them with screens. You'll need to stir the load.
 
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Quetzalcoatl said:
Yours didn't come with a stir cap? I read about it some pages back, and ways to fashion them with screens. You'll need to stir the load.
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No, I don't believe any did. That cap is a ten dollar part from the maker's site?

And, no, I intentionally didn't order it (yet) as I wanted to try it out of the box first and see how it plays. And I'm not too big on the way it looks like it's been done, a lot of metal (and aluminum to boot?) in the load sucking up heat I'd rather make vapor with. And reducing load volume? Remember, this sucker cools between hits. You pay for that (with battery capacity and time delays) every hit. FWIW I was thinking of a small diameter SS wire screwed under the screen retainer screw and sticking down into the load. It could, I think, sweep more of the load volume using less mass of a poorer heat conducting metal.....if stirring is the answer.

I'm thinking rotating is also needed? Not just moving stuff from the outside to the inside. But I'm also wondering how much of this would be needed if the hot air was more uniform.

Thanks.

OF
 
Shit Snacks

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Quetzalcoatl said:
Yours didn't come with a stir cap? I read about it some pages back, and ways to fashion them with screens. You'll need to stir the load.
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Stir lid is an optional accessory. And yes various diy ones are possible. Even so I still have the best results opening and stirring by hand. I'm still expirmenting with it, but I'm contenoplating other options still too. More testing required

Anyhow, yes @OF I notice that too, stirring is pretty mandatory, more so than T1, but there ways to combat it. For one thing the bottle cap screen method seems to work much better at evenly distributing airflow throughout the bowl without the screw. It'll take time, but keep patient and expiriment as I'm sure you will (also we've been saying ESV btw --Elevape Smart Vaporizer :D) I thought of using wire for a stirrer too, but didn't know what kind to buy and needed more time with the official one

[However I still think they should redsign the lid to need no screen, and instead have mtiple holes like the T1, but more, so they could just be poked clear and stay clear longer. Also I'd like say 3 built in prongs at different angles to stir the load more effectively and clog less...]
 
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OF said:
Has anyone else noticed uneven vaping in the bowl?
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Anyone else notice/care? Any thoughts?
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There was a picture posted relatively recently of an angled coil, as I remember it was angled front to rear so I think that may have been to compensate for unevenness at the rear of the bowl that you're describing.
 
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Yeah I am having the same problem with mine..I love this machine but with the stirring lid it still needs to be taken off to stir because it all gets pushed to the edges and has a chance of combustion on side close to mp. And with out the stir lid u gotta take off and stir so either way u gotta stir this thing..or combustion is possible when not expected which can be bad.
 
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thotfukr said:
Just got my esv back from Joe and I'm loading it up with some sour d.....the taste....missed it so much. I don't know what Joe did with the software, but this vape is functioning a lot better. I did not have to stir nearly as much and I
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experienced no combustion. I started at 305 and took it up to 380 with many stops along the way. My abv is very uniform.
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Joe modded @thotfukr unit like this. I plan to do the same to mine as soon as it arrives, I think it will end with the hotspot problem.
 
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What will joe actually do to the unit? I have spoken to him few ones and he is more than helpful but if he just moves the coil to that position then mine is just like it. When my coil was as is brand new it combusted on lowest temp so I followed the guidance of this thread and positioned my coil and did the screen thing and with the stir lid or just the screen with screw it still has the hot spot and can combust in that spot if not stirred..or if packed too much.
 
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Positioning coil low is just for more accurate temp reading with lens, and/or moving coil further away so lowering bowl temp slightly.

Combustion and unevenness is usually from drawing slower, if your draw super fast it will not occur, but you likely need to raise your temps to draw that fast. Just make sure you dont accidentally draw slow, which is the times when I have combusted, often during a session so I get distracted...
 
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Listening to gardnerjeffs advice, I tried using a pinch (enough to cover the bottom screen) but can not produce visible vapor. I can definitely taste it. I even tried drawing slower at higher temps and not even close to combustion. I really need to get the draw speed, temps right. I think I will reboot to default (vape dr. gave us the instructions) .I got one day of excellent vapor and taste but can't repeat it.
 
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grokit said:
There was a picture posted relatively recently of an angled coil, as I remember it was angled front to rear so I think that may have been to compensate for unevenness at the rear of the bowl that you're describing.
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Yep, that would be the good Doctor, right? That should not change the air flow up past the heater on one side (the back) so I suspect it won't effect the uneven heat distribution?

Shit Snacks said:
Positioning coil low is just for more accurate temp reading with lens, and/or moving coil further away so lowering bowl temp slightly.
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Actually I think it goes the other way? It doesn't change the accuracy per se, the specified temperature (330F in my case) is clearly lower than the actual heat in the load. What it does do, I think, by moving the bright stuff nearer the sensor is lower the temperature. That is I think it changes the calibration, not accuracy.

Good area for tinkering later on I'm thinking.

Thanks for the thoughts.

OF
 
PPN

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Got my ESV today, plugged it to the charger for more than 5 hours and start with a really small load at setting 1 (I didn't change settings yet) and I get vapor at the first draw, really smooth but not so tasty than expected (maybe device need to be seasoned...).
I take 2 hits before to stir, lid is a bit difficult to remove and I spilled all my bowl cause some of my meds was glued to the screen of the lid...

I get several hits from a small load but abv comes out uneven vaped (dark and green spots) and, imo, taste suffers of this if you want to get the last bits of your bowl (with the risk of combustion).

I tested setting 2....I definitly prefer the 1 for flowers!

Do you think I can vape some bubble hash, shatter or kief in this without to deal with hash glued to the screen...?

Is it normal the power module and the vaporization module are not tighty fixed? (it's a bit loosely...)?

All in all I'm happy cause I was afraid to deal with a really big learning curve....but I can get nice vapor from each hit, it's easier to use than I thought, my only complain is the uneven heat which produce an uneven abv.
 
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PPN said:
Got my ESV today, plugged it to the charger for more than 5 hours and start with a really small load at setting 1 (I didn't change settings yet) and I get vapor at the first draw, really smooth but not so tasty than expected (maybe device need to be seasoned...).
I take 2 hits before to stir, lid is a bit difficult to remove and I spilled all my bowl cause some of my meds was glued to the screen of the lid...

I get several hits from a small load but abv comes out uneven vaped (dark and green spots) and, imo, taste suffers of this if you want to get the last bits of your bowl (with the risk of combustion).

I tested setting 2....I definitly prefer the 1 for flowers!

Do you think I can vape some bubble hash, shatter or kief in this without to deal with hash glued to the screen...?

Is it normal the power module and the vaporization module are not tighty fixed? (it's a bit loosely...)?

All in all I'm happy cause I was afraid to deal with a really big learning curve....but I can get nice vapor from each hit, it's easier to use than I thought, my only complain is the uneven heat which produce an uneven abv.
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I had the same experience when I tried to open chamber lid and all my medicine spilled everywhere. The chamber lid gets a lot easier to manipulate over time. I bought an accessory kit which came with orange orings that are supposed to be softer, which will make it easier to handle. Haven't used it yet because it is getting easier to work with. I think new esv users (especially me) have this uneven abv and need to stir. The one thing I never experienced was combustion, or close to it which is great. But I am still looking for the clouds I received on my second session with the esv. Maybe mine runs cooler, even though I raised the temps.

I have been experimenting with different grinds, amount put in, and draw speed. Still can't get it right. Hopefully, one day this can be my portable daily driver.
 
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I take 2 hits before to stir, lid is a bit difficult to remove and I spilled all my bowl cause some of my meds was glued to the screen of the lid...

I get several hits from a small load but abv comes out uneven vaped (dark and green spots) and, imo, taste suffers of this if you want to get the last bits of your bowl (with the risk of combustion).

Do you think I can vape some bubble hash, shatter or kief in this without to deal with hash glued to the screen...?

Is it normal the power module and the vaporization module are not tighty fixed? (it's a bit loosely...)?
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The cover will get much easier to remove with a little use. I rotate mine 45 degrees to put a corner sticking out over the end which I catch with a finger. I then press my thumb against the body just past the curve of the cut. Very easy to control, no more surprises.

Uneven vaping is a topic of ongoing discussion. It seems the 'inside half' (facing the MP) gets hotter, and more so as the flow rate drops off. This makes the difference in temperatures even more extreme and brings on combustion? I'm trying to understand why this is, but drawing blanks for now.

You might eventually 'get away' with bubble and kief (based on our experience with Cera LL), but I'm not so sure about the fouling part. Cera gets by this by being ceramic, here we have mesh screens.....more over since this is a 'downdraft' unit (heat above load, air going down) you invert to load gravity could get nasty stuff into the heater area.....just what we'd like to avoid? Until we know better, I'd stick to bud? I am for sure.

And no, there are 5 screws, they should all be tight. 2 of the 5 in mine were way too loose. I guess the screw tightening crew was in a rush that day. Take the allen key and tighten 'em up.

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I need help with how to use this with shatter and wax please.
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It's not designed for that. The maker no doubt doesn't support it. I can see some potential problems, my 'take' hasn't changed from the above.

If you want to do concentrates, I suggest a vape designed for them. Lots of choices out there.

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Tried the stir lid, went back to the original setup because the lid was not all that effective and it seemed to tighten up the draw.

I think you are always going to have a spot on the coil that is going to be hotter. I've tried to mitigate this by angling the coil as shown in previous posts and carefully centering the coil under the bowl while I had the screens out. It is still not perfect but judging from the looks of my load, it is applying heat more evenly than before. Still need to stir to avoid waste.
 
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I never touched or manipulated my coil. It looks parallel with no angle. I've seen vape dr.'s post on changing the angle but wanted it to work straight out the box. Do you think that is the reason why I am not getting clouds? Maybe the coil is not centered directly under the screen? Maybe I got to check the battery too? I have a feeling it is user error from me.

Edit: I heard firefly uses a coil too and that piece has a high learning curve. I Don't know much about the design of the heaters or the technology behind everything. I feel like coil style heaters (or heat on demand)have a higher learning curve than other vaporizers
 
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OF said:
The cover will get much easier to remove with a little use. I rotate mine 45 degrees to put a corner sticking out over the end which I catch with a finger. I then press my thumb against the body just past the curve of the cut. Very easy to control, no more surprises.

Uneven vaping is a topic of ongoing discussion. It seems the 'inside half' (facing the MP) gets hotter, and more so as the flow rate drops off. This makes the difference in temperatures even more extreme and brings on combustion? I'm trying to understand why this is, but drawing blanks for now.

You might eventually 'get away' with bubble and kief (based on our experience with Cera LL), but I'm not so sure about the fouling part. Cera gets by this by being ceramic, here we have mesh screens.....more over since this is a 'downdraft' unit (heat above load, air going down) you invert to load gravity could get nasty stuff into the heater area.....just what we'd like to avoid? Until we know better, I'd stick to bud? I am for sure.

And no, there are 5 screws, they should all be tight. 2 of the 5 in mine were way too loose. I guess the screw tightening crew was in a rush that day. Take the allen key and tighten 'em up.



It's not designed for that. The maker no doubt doesn't support it. I can see some potential problems, my 'take' hasn't changed from the above.

If you want to do concentrates, I suggest a vape designed for them. Lots of choices out there.

OF
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About concentrates, I agree it doesn't seem to be designed to handle concentrates but why they offer a so high t° range (600°F if I remenber well!)....

About uneven heat, I didn't check how my heater is positionned, I'll check for sure!
 
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