lwien
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Yup. That was my thought as well.
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Yup. That was my thought as well.
Chill Dude
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I think the bowl will be reasonably large. Based on the specs given, OF believes the bowl would hold at least .12g and possibly up to .20g. It should be big enough for me, but I'm sure others might prefer a bigger bowl.
I agree that the design is great. I also agree with you that the video wasn't very professional to say the least. That said, I picture these guys to be more like the "Big Bang Theory" type of guys versus the business/marketing executive types. In other words... More brains, design and engineering mindset, but less business acumen. Personally, I'd rather have it that way rather than vice versa. There are so many people in the vaporisor business that do not have engineering backgrounds, yet quickly bring to market shitty, non functional and perhaps dangerous products.
These guys set the bar way high for the Grasshopper. Unlike some, I actually appreciate they're not rushing their product to market. If you've been following their updates then you're aware that over the last six months, serveral parts didn't meet their quality control/functionality standards and were sent back to get it exactly right. That gives me confidence that they are serious about bringing to market a well designed, top quality vaporisor that will function as advertised. Will they hit the mark? IDK, but it appears to me that with their detailed oriented, perfectionist driven mindset; the odds are pretty good that they'll succeed!
And yes, I totally agree that putting a Grasshoper in Vitolo's hands would be the smartest business decision they could make! A good video made by Vitolo with his stamp of approval is golden.... At least with most FC members.
I'm also thinking that if combustion did in fact occur in the video, it may have been due to user inexperience with the vape's temp regulation, pack, draw effort, etc., and not necessarily because the GH pen is a burn monster. In the right hands, the GH may just be the cat's meow, IDK...
lwien
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Personally, I'd prefer both. I think it's safe to say that engineers typically know diddly squat about marketing and marketeers know diddly squat about engineering, but any company that desires to succeed needs to have both engineers and marketeers on their payroll. There are a few people who can do both well, but that is a rarity.
SmorezNTickles
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On the FAQ's:
https://www.grasshoppervape.com/information/faq/
Is the Grasshopper a convection or conduction device?
The Grasshopper is primarily a convection device. It uses a patented heat exchanger that heats air on-demand, as you take a draw. This means less waiting for the vaporizer to heat up, and allows for ultra-efficient use of battery power.
paytonpenn
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I imagine a Solo oven in pen form.
For a vaporizer that small, I personally wouldn't care if it is convection or conduction, as long as it doesn't combust.
Gardenerjeff
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Please. You get one to someone here asap and do more for folks waiting, be they FC members or not. What is the problem if you can get two for those silly kids to try, why can't you get one to dr. Vape???
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lwien
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slick
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There is already a vape that does that. The V3 pro works, but it's convection. The appeal of the grasshopper was it's lofty claims, one of which was it's 100% convection heating.
I'm not saying it's worthless without that one aspect. It just derails the hype train a bit. But in the end, convection or conduction, imo it's vapor quality that counts. I'm very excited to see the reviews when they become available.
syrupy
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You mean this guy?
I'm a doctor, not a botanist!
t-dub
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
It doesn't linger like smoke though, it clearly looks like thick vapor to me, like hitting an Elevape well on high temp, or occasionally even my new replacement firefly which has been hitting hotter.
I think they will likely release a second more tech geeky video, its still early, how long did it take for them to release the marketing video? Were almost there (also those girls wouldve worked for my college fantasies... authentic cute potheads, not too bright or experienced but how many are? lol)
As you see above, nothing, however my understanding is that the heating element is below the oven (threads til ridge above led), so the herb is in contact with the steel walls of the oven, but the actual heater is below that, near or just below the led. Directly above the heater is supposed to be some sort of compacted spiral airpath, which will get hot air swirling up and into the oven chamber.
As you see here:
It is instant on, like Firefly kind of with the set temp and it there in 5 sec ready to go (FF from cold usually take 5sec to heat up at all), hiwever it doesn't heat up the herb unless you draw, like the Elevape, so there should be very minimal conduction, particularly on a first hit.
And as you see i explained above, the heater is below the tube, the tube isn't what's heating the herb, like it would on Imag Boss or V3, it is your breath of hot spiraled air over the herb. I'm sure with a back to back session, it would get radiant heat as well and conduct heat into the herb, especially at higher temps, so that would make it also have elements of the Air/Solo and could explain those truly massive clouds on highest temp....
So likewise with the battery, if you only use lower temps, and just take quick one or two hits here and there on demand, like Elevape it can easily last 4+ hours (or all fucking day). But if you session it, especially at higher temps, itd likely be more taxing and burn through more power quicker (Elevape doesn't really have that problem, but it's batteries aren't replaceable either...).
Throw in a little Pax-like (and a little firefly-like maybe too...) marketing to the masses in a beyond gorgeous style and convenient size, all at a shockingly reasonable price, a d this does sound like the ultimate portable all arounder doesn't it?
This is all my speculation and thoughts based on all the info thats been released. It all adds up and seems to make perfect sense to me at least, maybe I'm an optimist, but we'll all know for sure soon enough
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Yeah, we do not yet know what kind of screen or whatever, keeps herb from falling into the spiral thing. Hopefully no mesh screens, I really hate having to use those with others.
I dont know if understand your misunderstanding? I posted a picture quote of the hopper above my reply to your post, explaining where I think heater is located.
I actually hate most soft mouthpieces, I like the steel like FF and Indica, though Delrin has actually been fantastic in my opinion.
What would ofcourse be great is optional accessories, like even a wood mouthpiece... But that would be way down the line, and unlikely due to the Hoppers design. The way the mouthpiece now fits on for the redesigned mass production units, it is like a sheeth over the oven chamber tube, a separate layer of steel. I suspect this is where much of the thermal protection is, along with that extra thick metal cone in the mouthpiece tip.
However, no reason there couldn't be after market silicone sheeth condoms for soft (and group sanitary use) mouthpiece feel. Also I know their WPA seems like it will be a shaped bowl basically to fit Hopper head, but I bet they could make steel SonG mouthpieces with a tip that could fit 14mm and 18mm (taper) and it wouldn't need the cone for lip insulation....
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OF
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Yeah, like that one.......
So I just got an Elevape. Fun, and very much like this guy in principle. It too uses a single cell to heat air which then heats the load. The loads are similar size (EV is 1.0cc give or take, I'm using loads averaging just over .10 grams). I'm doing hits at step 2 (as shipped, you can reprogram easily) and am using the common pattern (it seems) for the unit: Take a quick puff to trip the heater (no buttons.....always on and waiting) and light the light. Then quickly blow that out and take full advantage of the preheat and 8 second heat cycle (which you can immediately repeat if you want). Say 10 seconds 'per puff' (as they define it). They claim '50 to 80 puffs' with a larger (120mAh) battery. Say 60 ten second 'puffs' to make the math easy? Ten minutes total heat.........
But as is said above, it could hitting it every once in a while can last all day. Or all month. Not exactly what I think folks read into the original specs?
EV is abiding by the laws of physics I learned as a young guy. 10 minutes is 1/6 of an hour so that means our 1200mAh battery is supplying on average 7.2A, pretty respectable but within range for at least some Li-pos (like say the ones toy helicopter guys use), twice what Air uses, about four times Solo. 20 to 30 Watts, about what you find in Thermovape's T1, Evolution and Cera.
So that's my prediction. "4+ hours" will really come out closer to four minutes of actual making vapor......if/when it does. And we can keep at least some of the old, shopworn laws of physics.
OF
Spinuch
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Oh jesus you think the actual time of vaporizing is 4 minutes?! It is becoming apparent people are thinking this is not really a session unit. I'd love to know how this compares to the firefly if so. I guess only time will tell just how good or bad the battery life is. I always compare portables to the solo when it comes to session vapes so I guess I'll have to temper my expectations. Even in the video you see one of the girls has to charge her grasshopper. It was nice to see it work while charging though.
I have a bunch of different kinds of batteries. Some of the best in the world really. Pink LG 18650s, 3400 mah orbtronic 18650s, AA and AAA eneloops, IMR 18650s, a few different 18350s and a bunch of other specialized batteries. Judging by the size of these batteries it's just not possible for them to last very long but 4 mins is a fucking bummer.
Edit: Maybe it's 6 or 7 mins at my favorite tempature of 373f! YIPPEE
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Chill Dude
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Spinuch
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If you don't mind turning your vape off and on all the time shouldn't be an issue. If it's as on-demand as they claim and have shown I really shouldn't complain.
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