E-Nano from Epickai
So I think this may be my next piece of vape equipment. I have exceeded the reduction in cannabis use I was hoping for (reduced to 1/5th), and have saved enough cash. I am gonna keep writing down what I am looking for in my next plug in vape, and will likely post in the Ask FC section. I need a week or so to jot down exactly what I am looking for. I had some misconceptions about a certain portable (which I still love) but over the past year I have only used it portably maybe two times, and it's not really great as a one hitter to just pull out and take a toke real fast and then pocket.
I think I really want to get a block of wood from snappo and have a custom piece, so long as they last a long time, and say if a heater core goes south, that it is a fairly simple fix. I may also have some questions for snappo about wood, for some wood that lasts a long time. I don't mind waiting 4-6 weeks or so if it takes that long to have one made, and will probably take my time selecting wood as well.
I do like some of the premium logs at epicvape, but I really want something with depth, field, contrast, though not too much contrast, and something in a cherrywood type of color - and also unique, but not so much that it stands out real loud. I am not sure how much the blocks of wood cost, but I would be happy to be within the $300 range with everything including a couple of GonG's..
I have read much or maybe even most of this thread but admittedly not all so I plan on reading the entire thread. I have not used a plug in vape except for at the vape lounge at a club with a volcano since many years before that, so I am really looking forward to it, and the warm up time is quick enough to plug it in before I hop in the shower and such before bed. One thing that turned me off with another log was how long it takes to heat up.
I think I really want to get a block of wood from snappo and have a custom piece, so long as they last a long time, and say if a heater core goes south, that it is a fairly simple fix. I may also have some questions for snappo about wood, for some wood that lasts a long time. I don't mind waiting 4-6 weeks or so if it takes that long to have one made, and will probably take my time selecting wood as well.
I do like some of the premium logs at epicvape, but I really want something with depth, field, contrast, though not too much contrast, and something in a cherrywood type of color - and also unique, but not so much that it stands out real loud. I am not sure how much the blocks of wood cost, but I would be happy to be within the $300 range with everything including a couple of GonG's..
I have read much or maybe even most of this thread but admittedly not all so I plan on reading the entire thread. I have not used a plug in vape except for at the vape lounge at a club with a volcano since many years before that, so I am really looking forward to it, and the warm up time is quick enough to plug it in before I hop in the shower and such before bed. One thing that turned me off with another log was how long it takes to heat up.
@HomeFree $300 will get you pretty much the finest piece of wood in the world and a few extra bits and pieces to keep you amused for quite some time. I'd suggest an all glass GonG if you are going to use concentrates on cotton. Otherwise, the adjustable ones are easiest. I'd also suggest having a custom carbed GonG made, as Andy still doesn't offer that option and it really makes using a water pipe amazing. Also, have Snappo send a matching piece of wood to Ed for a custom wood stem to go with your new E-Nano. That way, you'll always have an unbreakable stem to use if every single piece of glass is broken. I use my wooden stems for concentrates on cotton, as I find it a bit fiddly to use with flowers.
NickDlow
Log Hog
This and other log vapes are ok'ed for 24/7 usage. Therefore there is no to minimal heat up time. If you choose to do this apply beeswax/UnderButter/Ed's Bomb Ass Butter regularly to prolong your vapes life. I personally throughly enjoy waxing my vapes. But turning it off after each use will also make it last longer. The perc to the nano is if u leave it on 24/7 you have the ability to turn ur dial/heat down.
@HomeFree FYI: @NickDlow is right! Heat up time was only significantly meaningful for the first five minutes or so that I owned an E-Nano. It's been on 24/7 since early November. Occasionally I remember to turn it down to 4 at night, but to be honest, I really don't do that ever. I just tell my wife I did.
In fact the most bothersome problem for me is cool down time! Sometimes I forget that I was vaping some nice hash oil at over 9 on the dial. When I go to vape some flowers, It's immediately obvious that the flowers are pumping out way too much vapor way too fast, and I quickly abort, but get that oh so nostalgic flavor of combustion from completely charring the top crust of my flowers.
This brings up another point that I've been hesitant to mention here, as the subject definitely walks the razor line of what is and is not right in the world of vaporizing, and I'm aware that I risk public shaming by bringing this up. I cannot be the only one who has experimented with excessively high temps that result in a "hybrid" Vapo-bustion process???? i found this dark secret by accident as described above, but last month, when I was having a really bad few weeks of breakthrough pain, I found that I could extract some more stubborn molecules out of my flowers at temps above 7.5 which is normally my limit and the point where the AVB changes from tan to medium brown. It seemed that there was something in this dark AVB that was having a stronger medical effect. It is subtle, like the difference between cannabis with very high and very low terpene content, but it was definitely something that helped with pain even if it clearly not the least harmful way to vaporize cannabis.
I would create a new thread about this, but the last thing I want to do is create a conversation that encourages people to go out and burn their cannabis in their vaporizers unnecessarily, and that's kind of the antithesis of what we are doing here. Nonetheless, for good or bad, I opened this Pandora's box for myself, but I suggest that most of you continue to keep that box closed. And if you do try this, I suggest only for a specific short term medical benefit that temporarily outweighs the additional obvious harm.
In fact the most bothersome problem for me is cool down time! Sometimes I forget that I was vaping some nice hash oil at over 9 on the dial. When I go to vape some flowers, It's immediately obvious that the flowers are pumping out way too much vapor way too fast, and I quickly abort, but get that oh so nostalgic flavor of combustion from completely charring the top crust of my flowers.
This brings up another point that I've been hesitant to mention here, as the subject definitely walks the razor line of what is and is not right in the world of vaporizing, and I'm aware that I risk public shaming by bringing this up. I cannot be the only one who has experimented with excessively high temps that result in a "hybrid" Vapo-bustion process???? i found this dark secret by accident as described above, but last month, when I was having a really bad few weeks of breakthrough pain, I found that I could extract some more stubborn molecules out of my flowers at temps above 7.5 which is normally my limit and the point where the AVB changes from tan to medium brown. It seemed that there was something in this dark AVB that was having a stronger medical effect. It is subtle, like the difference between cannabis with very high and very low terpene content, but it was definitely something that helped with pain even if it clearly not the least harmful way to vaporize cannabis.
I would create a new thread about this, but the last thing I want to do is create a conversation that encourages people to go out and burn their cannabis in their vaporizers unnecessarily, and that's kind of the antithesis of what we are doing here. Nonetheless, for good or bad, I opened this Pandora's box for myself, but I suggest that most of you continue to keep that box closed. And if you do try this, I suggest only for a specific short term medical benefit that temporarily outweighs the additional obvious harm.
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I know. Believe me. I know.
edit: But I''m smart. When I throw a grenade into a room, I don't rush back inside for quite some time. I'll come back later to assess the damage.
Excellent point made punctuated with a conundrum! However, I think that those stubborn molecules might still be teased away safely without combustion by simply moving the load a bit farther from the heat source while convecting at much higher temps ...say, 9.5-10.0. Been my experience that this has not resulted in combustion while providing even more of the good stuff deeper in.
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This and/or draw speed also. Boost the temp to that higher mark and really watch your draw speed....
Enchantre
Oil Painter
Yup, and there is a thread about it, too...
What I'm gonna tell you, is that until it actually cherry's on you (yes, I did that on purpose, oh beloved grammar Nazis) and leaves ash in the gong, you have not combusted. Crank it up for more CBD, some CBN (watch out for headaches!), and a lovely toasty flavor. Some people take their ABV down to damn near coffee grounds color, and have not combusted. Play with it.
Cereal_MF
Green goes to brown, n that's what I stand for.
^this dude is awesome he sold a nano to my poor ass knowing he was gonna miss it, then got another one very soon after (an exotic if i remember correctly). And I do love me some nano almost daily (although at the moment im playing with a Firewood 2 that marduk just sent me in the mail).
LOL! I miss that thing! I actually bought another Cherry I liked it so much, but I needed to take a break from vaping, and was thinking that the v2 cord would be more suitable for me down the road. I can tell you, that I do miss your Nano...just something about it, maybe because it was my first one, maybe I actually like the (attached) cord as well and am only now realizing it since I don't have it anymore? I dunno, but it always worked soooo well and never let me down. Have some nice memories...haha. I remember being able to hear the load "crackle" when I hit a fresh load, something that I haven't been able to replicate, but probably has more to do with the material.
My wife still insists on combustion bong hits. I've had to set aside my least favorite piece of glass for her. The other day, I decided to finish the remains of her bong hit and it was completely disgusting!
And here's Chippy's frugal cannabis tip of the day: If you have a combusting spouse/friend, Keep aside your less desirable stuff for them. I have a little recycling bin that shake and such goes into for her. I also will sometimes be able to buy heavily discounted, high potency, but poorly cured ugly flowers for half price of less. So I don't hold back on the actual potency for her, but there's no way in Hell I'm dropping a quarter gram of top shelf medical flowers into a combustion bowl if I can help it! Ha!
Edit: She bites her Tootsie Roll Pops if that tells you anything about her.
Cereal_MF
Green goes to brown, n that's what I stand for.
I could go for a good ice bong hit, but 1 hitters and pipes make me feels like a crackhead unless its a really nice glass pipe that holds sentimental value. That said, I rarely do combust because flavor is the #1 factor and the nano lends such splendid hits that I no longer miss smoking.
Thanks for the reply, and all others as well.
My stem has an inside rim that stops the heater tube from going any further, and then the screen is pushed up behind that rim into the upper stem.
Are you saying that some stems don't have a rim to stop (or set) the stem on the heater tube from going any further up? How would you use one of those without jamming the material into the heater screen...very carefully?
I know with my Solo if I hamster style it to get the material to stick in place first then I can upright it, but I thought that the Nano shouldn't be used standing upright on table or something so nothing falls in (even if you can shake it out) and it seems like the fbomb would be a bit weighty and push down on it even if the material is stuck in place, especially if my gong ends up not having a rim that holds the thing on the heater tube without allowing it to push up further. For the price though and the whole idea, I think you're right, a bubbler is the way to go.
Two more question I have to ask...has anyone smelled a vinegar smell with their Nano when they first heated it? I have a crazy sensitive sense of smell and maybe it's the wood (what else could it be) but I smelled a vinegary smell for the first little while. I got the Walnut.
Is it ok to leave it on max for lengthy periods of time without worrying about damaging it or should it stay around 6.5 or so?
Thanks
flotntoke
thoroughly vaped
It is somewhat of a "dark secret", but it is discussed here on FC pretty frequently. It can be hard to search for because there are many terms used for the same thing, and something as generic as "temp" will give many hits that aren't relevant. I'd suggest you skim the threads on the Vaporization Discussion forum and work your way deeper from there. Pretty easy to tell which to look at from titles.
Myself, I love the taste and buzz of lower to mid range temps. But, am fortunate enough to not have some of the serious medical and pain issues of many. I do go to higher temps to combat insomnia or back pain (or to revape lightly vaped earlier in the day material). There are definitely some good actives left in what I often dump in the duff can for cooking later.
But, please don't hold back or worry about the ire of others on such things (whether here in nano thread or elsewhere). All new info is good info IMO, and if you are thinking about it or benefiting from it others surely will, too! So, if it works for you -DO IT! And, suggest for others that aren't as pioneering who may benefit as well.
Have you seen any of the charts showing different effects of different temps? They vary in what they show specifically (and all the variables can really throw figures off in real use), but they can be helpful in determining whether you want to nudge the heat up another notch to get more out of your meds. Let us know here if you are looking for one or a few. Am sure someone will offer at least one up and I think I can find one or two.
Have you had your wife try the nano at higher temps? I never go up above 7.25 with flowers, but have a friend who absolutely loves it. When I see him we usually do a few at my regular temps to get started, then turn heat up, load one for him and wait a minute, he vapes, dump, turn heat down, load one for me and wait a minute..... You get the idea. He loves it at 8 and it definitely gets scorched on top. My hits taste a little off to me once he tarnishes the GonG, but not too bad. And, nothing a clean screen and quick alcohol swab doesn't fix immediately. This is a guy who thinks a combusted one hit through a 2 foot open stem bong is the shit. He's scoffed at every other vaporizer I've shown him but really likes this. Not enough to get one of his own yet, but I'm getting him there!
Thanks for the reply, and all others as well.
My stem has an inside rim that stops the heater tube from going any further, and then the screen is pushed up behind that rim into the upper stem.
Are you saying that some stems don't have a rim to stop (or set) the stem on the heater tube from going any further up? How would you use one of those without jamming the material into the heater screen...very carefully?
I know with my Solo if I hamster style it to get the material to stick in place first then I can upright it, but I thought that the Nano shouldn't be used standing upright on table or something so nothing falls in (even if you can shake it out) and it seems like the fbomb would be a bit weighty and push down on it even if the material is stuck in place, especially if my gong ends up not having a rim that holds the thing on the heater tube without allowing it to push up further. For the price though and the whole idea, I think you're right, a bubbler is the way to go.
Two more question I have to ask...has anyone smelled a vinegar smell with their Nano when they first heated it? I have a crazy sensitive sense of smell and maybe it's the wood (what else could it be) but I smelled a vinegary smell for the first little while. I got the Walnut.
Is it ok to leave it on max for lengthy periods of time without worrying about damaging it or should it stay around 6.5 or so?
Thanks
Stems seem to change from time to time depending on production run or who is making them. Andy doesn't make them himself. So, hard to answer for certain on exact specifics. One of my older GonGs has a ridge (maybe two), but some are smooth - so yes... some don't have that ridge. However, I think in all cases the stem or GonG rests on the ridge on the heater core cover inside the nano, not the sometimes ridge on the glass itself.
nano will do the same in "hamster" mode with a stem. Once you give it a few hits it will solidify a bit in the glass. Not really possible with a GonG - even with an fbomb I would think. But for a dry stem, you could hit it at an upright angle (gravity keeping load in place), then after a few hits set it down with less possibility of stuff dropping into it. I'd still say get a half decent bubbler. It does seem to work a bit better for these reasons, and I'd be willing to bet you're in the large majority of people who will put the fbomb away and primarily use the bubbler. Fbomb, PNWT and those other small hydrotubes seem to give me so little for the hassle of using them.
Vinegar smell? I never noticed anything like that. I think Andy still does a test run/burn off before shipping (tho I will always run any vape at full heat for 1/2 hour before using it), so there shouldn't be residual stuff by the time it gets to you. Guess it could be the wood, or maybe the shellac still settling in. You don't taste anything like that, do you? That would probably not be good!
2 reasons I wouldn't leave heat too high when unattended if you can avoid it (or remember). One is that it will be hotter at the business end of the heat port. Should be OK, but anything laying around that could get tangled up with it (scrap of paper, edge of a plastic bag, whatever) could create much of a mess or worse. Other reason is that it is probably harder on the wood. Haven't seen or heard of a cracking nano lately (am pretty sure Andy figured a way to make them less prone to this), but it has happened - and IIRC more with walnut than others. I'd think more heat for longer periods could make this more likely to occur.
But, truth be told my cherry nano is usually sitting at 6.25 - 6.5 for most of the past 2 years (OK 1 year 11 mos!) and all seems fine. The only time I usually shut it off is if I'll be away from home for more than 24-30 hours or when taking it out and about. I think 5 is the suggested park spot, but seems there are more than a few that just leave it at vaping temp with no issues. You may want to wax her up every so often to keep that lovely luster, too.
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Poostuff
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I went straight to the higher temperatures with the nano. I don't use low settings to me they're like pretend vaping, like a shower with not enough hot water. I'm never completely satisfied unless the AVB is almost black however I'm disgusted if I combust & have to wash everything out immediately, it's a fine line. Now if anyone asks if I smoke I have to say only ever accidentally.
I was that way in the beginning, vaping between 7 and 7.5. Then I found after several weeks that I really didn't enjoy that level of medication.
These days I don't take my ABV past 6.5 before I dump it and save for edibles.
Poostuff
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@Ratchett Ha I've been this way for a few years but I'll probably change. Never thought I'd hate smoke either so I'm often wrong. I have other vapes that don't get as hot as this one, they're all good at different times & for different effects. I'm just enjoying the higher range of the nano. I can even vape solids on 10 if I cumble them.