Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.
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The herc is indestructible entirely user serviceable has the best taste and vapor production and can hold large amounts so you can load it and not worry about carrying extra
the kiss are more discrete easier to pass off as an ecig much easier to learn and are kinda disposable if your not able to rebuild them and must be loaded every 2-3 hits
the kiss are more discrete easier to pass off as an ecig much easier to learn and are kinda disposable if your not able to rebuild them and must be loaded every 2-3 hits
Thank you very much, that's exactly what o was looking for
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
The 8 is a mechanical mod for advanced users and electronics nerds only. It doesnt have any electronics inside the top and is totally user serviceable. This means you can fix it yourself but you can also break it yourself if you aren't mechanically minded.
If you enjoy building coils for mods in e cigs, make circuits on breadboards for fun and own more than one dvom the 8 might be for you.
If you enjoy building coils for mods in e cigs, make circuits on breadboards for fun and own more than one dvom the 8 might be for you.
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ED421
Well-Known Member
The Herc is amazing but it has a few downsides in my case
Steep learning curve when you first get the Herc.
Can't hand it to a Noob without them messing it up.
With my high tolerance I heat up the Herc too much during a session and end up with reclaim in the bottom chamber.
Spent too much time maintaining the damn thing.
Most of these issues stem from me trying to do too much with it, but that's how I roll. If you aren't a fiend like me the Herc probably works better.
I like the KISS carts for their simplicity. I also abuse the hell out of them but I spend less time fussing with them compared to the Herc. When they get dirty I soak them in ISO and I rebuild them when they break.
I'm glad I got the Herc + Nibbler XL but I use my KISS + Okeanos way more!
Steep learning curve when you first get the Herc.
Can't hand it to a Noob without them messing it up.
With my high tolerance I heat up the Herc too much during a session and end up with reclaim in the bottom chamber.
Spent too much time maintaining the damn thing.
Most of these issues stem from me trying to do too much with it, but that's how I roll. If you aren't a fiend like me the Herc probably works better.
I like the KISS carts for their simplicity. I also abuse the hell out of them but I spend less time fussing with them compared to the Herc. When they get dirty I soak them in ISO and I rebuild them when they break.
I'm glad I got the Herc + Nibbler XL but I use my KISS + Okeanos way more!
torggzorz
All your Vape are belong to us
I have been having near identical results as you, with one thing I would add - I find myself using KISS carts more and more lately because the Herc wastes all my oil
The problem is that it just tastes too good, and you can load so much in there... I could sit there and vape a whole gram of wax in one session on that bad boy. I do like having it as a show-off though, nobody has a freakin sweet oil vape like I do! (too bad it's so unfriendly to new-users lol...)
Don't get me wrong I love my herc and it's my main tool, but it does have some downsides. Nothing is perfect! I am hoping the alpha-c can truly bridge this discrepancy between the herc and kiss, it could fill a much needed position!
Some would say this is a good thing.
Hey everyone,
I obtained a Persei + Hercules SR74+ combo and had a few questions, I traded someone for it so its used.
First of all, i discovered when I opened it up the "Ceramic Rod Retaining Collar" was missing. Is this a huge deal? I removed the "Star Ring" since it wasn't being held down by anything. Anyway, it does work, but not very well. I loaded about 0.5 BHO in and it all just melted into the "Heater Core Lower Section". I'm sure this is user error, but thats why I'm here to get it figured out!
Also, I have 2 Efest IMR 18650 3.7V LI-MN 35A 2500mAh batteries to use with the persei, will they be good for it?
Also as I was typing this the thread that actually screws into the persei on the "Bottom Insulator" just snapped off -_- damn. Ill have to go update my missing parts ticket.
Anyway, so my questions, how do you guys normally use this thing? I'd like to be as efficient as possible. And from what I've read about the SR74+, its suppose to really let you stretch out your stash correct?
Heres some photos so maybe you guys can identify how old it is and everything with the serials.
I obtained a Persei + Hercules SR74+ combo and had a few questions, I traded someone for it so its used.
First of all, i discovered when I opened it up the "Ceramic Rod Retaining Collar" was missing. Is this a huge deal? I removed the "Star Ring" since it wasn't being held down by anything. Anyway, it does work, but not very well. I loaded about 0.5 BHO in and it all just melted into the "Heater Core Lower Section". I'm sure this is user error, but thats why I'm here to get it figured out!
Also, I have 2 Efest IMR 18650 3.7V LI-MN 35A 2500mAh batteries to use with the persei, will they be good for it?
Also as I was typing this the thread that actually screws into the persei on the "Bottom Insulator" just snapped off -_- damn. Ill have to go update my missing parts ticket.
Anyway, so my questions, how do you guys normally use this thing? I'd like to be as efficient as possible. And from what I've read about the SR74+, its suppose to really let you stretch out your stash correct?
Heres some photos so maybe you guys can identify how old it is and everything with the serials.
bdmonkeyj3w
Well-Known Member
Hey everyone,
I obtained a Persei + Hercules SR74+ combo and had a few questions, I traded someone for it so its used.
First of all, i discovered when I opened it up the "Ceramic Rod Retaining Collar" was missing. Is this a huge deal? I removed the "Star Ring" since it wasn't being held down by anything. Anyway, it does work, but not very well. I loaded about 0.5 BHO in and it all just melted into the "Heater Core Lower Section". I'm sure this is user error, but thats why I'm here to get it figured out!
Also, I have 2 Efest IMR 18650 3.7V LI-MN 35A 2500mAh batteries to use with the persei, will they be good for it?
Also as I was typing this the thread that actually screws into the persei on the "Bottom Insulator" just snapped off -_- damn. Ill have to go update my missing parts ticket.
Anyway, so my questions, how do you guys normally use this thing? I'd like to be as efficient as possible. And from what I've read about the SR74+, its suppose to really let you stretch out your stash correct?
Heres some photos so maybe you guys can identify how old it is and everything with the serials.
Yeah, your good with that setup.... but you do need the retaining collar. Your vapor production is weak because that nut holds the rod in place. You may wanna look for higher quality batteries as well. Travel back through this thread to find the beginning answers..
torggzorz
All your Vape are belong to us
I've not heard anything bad about the efest batteries, but haven't used them personally. IMR is the least volitile chemistry I believe so I prefer to use them. Got some of the recommended AW IMR's (18350,18650), and some MXJO 2500MAH / 35A 18650's that I normally use in my box mod ecig, but also use in my persei for 3.7 with great results.
mixchu69
Well-Known Member
I totally agree with you. I really haven't thought about it much because I'm new to the concentrates game, but I think the kiss carts are much more efficient than the hercules. With the kiss, I can put on a half dab and get 2-3 large clouds. With the herc, I just keep puffing because it's so easy to hit, and I can go thru a lot quickly. I think that is how it was designed (or EO carts would be more popular???)I have been having near identical results as you, with one thing I would add - I find myself using KISS carts more and more lately because the Herc wastes all my oil
The problem is that it just tastes too good, and you can load so much in there... I could sit there and vape a whole gram of wax in one session on that bad boy. I do like having it as a show-off though, nobody has a freakin sweet oil vape like I do! (too bad it's so unfriendly to new-users lol...)
Don't get me wrong I love my herc and it's my main tool, but it does have some downsides. Nothing is perfect! I am hoping the alpha-c can truly bridge this discrepancy between the herc and kiss, it could fill a much needed position!
Fredster951
Well-Known Member
IMO the SR is relatively efficient. It can be as efficient as you can be. If you keep puffing it can eat up your oil quickly. One good SR hit is about 2-3 kiss cart hits IMO. The SR hits are more concentrated I believe. Once you get past always having a buffer oil, the SR is pretty good at hits per load ratio. It's just matter of adding more oil before vaping the buffer oil. I can add a small glob and get 12+ flavorful quality monster hits. I tend to use the SR cartridge as a "session" tool instead of quick hit on the go once a hour thing. For on the go hits where I don't want to be too medicated I use kiss cart product line.
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
The herc can be more conservative if you use it with that in mind with short button pulses and draw through it all the time, but only in relation to it's own "powerhouse mode", not any other cartridge or device. My hercules is a hungry beast that wants to devour oil all time time and its only happy when well fed. Thats why I use it. its not something I use if I want a gram to last two weeks. <-in my humble opinion.
The bonus of drawing through it during warm up and cool down is that your lungs then get any active compounds that may be released while the oil is still warm. If you choose to take short pulse hits and not get the unit up to super high performance operating temperature then it can be efficient with the material. This is one of the reasons I prefer 7.4V over 3.7 because it minimizes heat soak times I feel?
There are other reasons why I'm not a fan of the Hammer top cheap cheater Persei trick; suffice to say I leave my Core inserts inside their tubes unless I have good reason to swap (like I want to put it into my 8 tube) and I don't leave them sitting out, not installed in a tube.
One additional thing, since I just received a V4 top a few days ago: The inclusion of Hammer functionality on the V4 top is a game changer. It opens up the possibility to experiment with locked on mode at any time you want without the hassle of changing tops. I find myself using Hammer mode pretty often now with my Hercules; with the Core on low voltage and also when my batteries have lost their initial burst of 8v powerrrrr on the go.
Tomorrow I'll have to try out the Bender on the V4 top and see how it handles that.
The bonus of drawing through it during warm up and cool down is that your lungs then get any active compounds that may be released while the oil is still warm. If you choose to take short pulse hits and not get the unit up to super high performance operating temperature then it can be efficient with the material. This is one of the reasons I prefer 7.4V over 3.7 because it minimizes heat soak times I feel?
Personally I dont care for the Hammer top with KISS carts at all. It's way too much button pressing. 7.4V forget about it! The Hammer top is great for the Hammer rod and that's it for me. The rare occasion I use the Hercules 3.7v rod the Hammer top is nice. I leave mine on my Core tube!
There are other reasons why I'm not a fan of the Hammer top cheap cheater Persei trick; suffice to say I leave my Core inserts inside their tubes unless I have good reason to swap (like I want to put it into my 8 tube) and I don't leave them sitting out, not installed in a tube.
One additional thing, since I just received a V4 top a few days ago: The inclusion of Hammer functionality on the V4 top is a game changer. It opens up the possibility to experiment with locked on mode at any time you want without the hassle of changing tops. I find myself using Hammer mode pretty often now with my Hercules; with the Core on low voltage and also when my batteries have lost their initial burst of 8v powerrrrr on the go.
Tomorrow I'll have to try out the Bender on the V4 top and see how it handles that.
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geetimesthree
Gx3
So do you guys think the Alpha-C is the triton, minus the okeanos? Prolly gonna be easy to switch into an okeanos?
Do you like the Bender on higher or lower voltages? I assume you have a core.
I kind of want to sell my Bender (especially since they don't sell them on W9 anymore), but I probably would regret it as soon as they released the 1900 hammer rod. My only problem with the bender is heat up time, otherwise it's very tasty & efficient (on herb, not batteries lol). What about you?
Personally, I can't wait for the "universe" to see if any attachment will ever replace joints for me. The herbalizer does the trick at home & the bender does the trick in the car (if I am with patient people. Crossing my fingers that the 1900 rod reduces heat up time drastically), but the bender definitely isn't "on the go", the hercules isn't that great for herbs & every 501 attachment I've tried tastes like a metal pipe (YUCK. JOINTS!!)
I kind of want a V4 top, but there isn't a way to get one without buying a whole new persei? I kind of like the hammer top with my sr74. It's what I use with my core & hercules in the car. But I want any button top, because I want to learn how to use my okeanos once they release the alpha C or triton & make that my go to for concentrates in the car; then use the sr74 3.7 for on the go
But I guess I could replace the nemesis I use with my sr71 (& adapter) & persei bubbler, with a new persei.
but I'll prolly wait until the iris drops [cuz I craavvee variable voltage on the go, so I can drop my other devices, & get a new 8, since clucks stole mine out of my mailbox]
My life consists of making money, studying & waiting for W9 upgrades to be released.
I'd do horrible, horrible things to get the flexo, iris & the triton (and a new 8)
SamuraiSam
Extraction Technician
I wish I knew something about it other then I want it but that is not the case.
Dude, you bring your Bender in the car?!?!? Thats even more legit than my constant porta Herc/Nib action, IMHO. Really these days I only use my Bender on my Hammer top with my Core and variable voltage. I like to crank it to 8.4 and let it heat up and pull air through the herb and I start turning the voltage down. So this is one of the big reasons I am a fan of rotary encoders/dials like my Cloud EVO has, I can warm the Evo up at 2 o clock and then I can turn down the temperature to where I want to start using it (around 9:30-10:00). While the unit comes down to temperature its heat soaking and getting ready to rock hard (Many EVO owners report the vapor quality/density increases if you wait another 10 minutes after warm up before use particularly if you want to use lower temperatures but still get good vapor density). Then I start using the thing and taking hits, turning the dial up in small increments as the herb gets toasty.
Enough Cloud Evo talk, and back to the Bender. With the method I mentioned earlier I am basically trying to mimic the way I use the Evo. Except the Hammer rod actually heats up much faster than the Evo. Let it warm up at 8.4v it will turn glowing red and at that point I slide the bender over the rod. Since the Bender is cold it will take a lot of the heat energy out of the Hammer rod to heat the glass of the Bender so it is not providing any conduction at this point; only convection from the hot air being drawn past the Hammer rod. Now if you start drawing right away and get air moving through the herb everything is going to get warm and start releasing aromatic compounds and this is the part that I fucking love about the Bender. The purity of flavors just as they begin to come off your herb. Even better the bud is moist and stinky; the initial flavors here I savor and they are the reason that Bending is such a luxurious treat.
Now... if you dont turn the temp down the combination of the conduction creeping in as heat transfers to the glass through the herb that your drawing air through and in direct contact with the hot hammer rod; and through the air surrounding the rod heating the glass through radiation, will cause an undesireable rise in heat. What you must do is balance the convection that you start with, with the conduction that increases as heat transfers into the glass; you must use your mouth/lungs/ button presses/stirring to manage this heat and I introduce variable voltage in here to get the hit that I am after while allowing my button technique to get lazier.
But I never really thought before about how it all actually can happen a little faster then the Cloud (Heating-time wise, at least.)
My non use of Bender on the go could easily change when the Iris is released and I can put it on top of a 2x18500 setup and use it the exact same way I use it with the Core...
Even buying a whole new Persei will not get you a V4 quite yet...
Hey you are in Everett? I am up in Anacortes that's only about an hour and a half away. Maybe we should meet up some time and trade Bending tips. Your life seems to consist of some of the same things mine does.
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The V4 tops are being issued for warranty replacements AFAIK.
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I have the Herc SR74x with the 8 essential works great and makes lots of smoke i was really happy with it at first . just a big device in my opinion. i stopped using it. :/ its to big for my pocket for on the go i went for something more discrete
i want to sell it, the 8 and the sr74x it just sits in my shelf now not being used at all i just need to find some time and post it.
any coupon codes currently 
thx all happy happy week
thx all happy happy weekThat setup would be way overkill for a first time user. Even if you eventually end up getting all that you still need a more portable option. I would start with a Minicron or Omicron and 3.7v Kiss globe.
bdmonkeyj3w
Well-Known Member
Shit i missed alot today... the only reason i said check your batteries because i had no experience with those and wasnt gonna look em up.
I wholeheartedly believe my 3.7 herc is wayyyyyy more efficient than the 7.4 kiss, but i also believe its slightly more efficient than 3.7 kiss. i dont rip herc for massive rips, at least not with a broken nibbler
I wholeheartedly believe my 3.7 herc is wayyyyyy more efficient than the 7.4 kiss, but i also believe its slightly more efficient than 3.7 kiss. i dont rip herc for massive rips, at least not with a broken nibbler
Big Baby Jesus
The momentum is finally on our side. Carpe diem!
I'm going to be lazy and not quote people this time. Someone asked about efest batteries, and I've a few and they work fine and I really like this 4 bay charger I've of theirs. Someone else asked about the core, and to be honest it's my least favorite thing I've bought of W9's. It struggles to make a solid connection where the cord plugs into the base of the Persei and sets off the 3 blinking lights, so it annoys the Hell out of me.
I was poking around the W9 site today thinking of getting a Persei SS kit. Are they no longer made? I can't seem to find it.
I was poking around the W9 site today thinking of getting a Persei SS kit. Are they no longer made? I can't seem to find it.
Just a heads up we are also going to be testing the Universe carts within a month. Ya we really never gave up on that.