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nigel

And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
the futuristic technology it is supposed to carry with it, to put again a non existent product on pre order while nobody between early adopters received anything yet (indiegogo campain was already a kind of preorder) isn't very fair IMO.

My take is with this (seeing a few vape launches from the "inside") is either:

1. They need the extra $$$ to get this thing out the door. Making a new vape isn't easy, even for an experienced company, and it can be sometime long after the product is on market before one is in the black, no matter how well you think it was planned. Things wind up costing way more than one thinks, due to unforeseen circumstances -- like having to have a PCB reworked, or a part re-made due to a spec, like threading, being off.

2. This is a scam in terms of over-promised features, and this is a last ditch effort to rake in the dough.


Option 1 is most likely for just about any company.
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t-dub

Vapor Sloth
This is a scam in terms of over-promised features
Well crystallized. I say again, one simple, well produced video showing ABV could have halted this entire shit show. The Grass-HOPE-r team has promised a lot. Because of the way they do things we just don't have enough information to really "know" anything.
 

nigel

And shepherds we shall be,for Accuracy & Discovery
JUST TO BE CLEAR: I used the term "scam" in the previous posts to reflect some of our user's feelings. I am not saying it is one... just that it is a possibility some people feel.

My opinion is just that they simply over-promised but it wasn't intentional mis-leading. ("Never attribute to maliciousness what could be easily explained by error and/or stupidity.") I think they got out ahead of themselves in what they could actually produce vs what they thought they could. Someone didn't "carry the one..." :)

I am looking forward to being proved wrong!


Well crystallized. I say again, one simple, well produced video showing ABV could have halted this entire shit show. The Grass-HOPE-r team has promised a lot. Because of the way they do things we just don't have enough information to really "know" anything.

I'll just point out here how easy it is to fake a ABV video. Not that I am suggesting they will... just that a lot of other people will suggest it, if a proper video is out.

But yeah, you're right: Barn door. Horse.



Now back to :popcorn:
 

HillaryClinton

Future ruler of earth
Wish all of you this isn't a scum because it looks not very clean. i mean, without thinking to the futuristic technology it is supposed to carry with it, to put again a non existent product on pre order while nobody between early adopters received anything yet (indiegogo campain was already a kind of preorder) isn't very fair IMO.

Someone says "having bad feeling-thoughts about someone-something isn't very nice but you often get it right"

I don't get what you mean? :huh:


Are you saying it seems fake? I mean its obviously being made if you followed the thread and will eventually have a release...do you mean like "How can this work" as a technical standpoint? If so I can point to stuff like The X-Max/Imag Plus/Atmos Boss/etc... that have it pretty close design wise anyways, its very possible with todays tech.
 
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Andreaerdna

If God is the answer, then the question is wrong
I don't get what you mean? :huh:


Are you saying it seems fake? I mean its obviously being made if you followed the thread and will eventually have a release...do you mean like "How can this work" as a technical standpoint? If so I can point to stuff like The X-Max/Imag Plus/Atmos Boss/etc... that have it pretty close design wise anyways, its very possible with todays tech.

What i mean is that they set the level of expectation very high, thanks to this they harvest a lot of money, and before satisfying anyone who supported their found raising campaign they starts again asking money for something only saw once in a video (like moon landing :-)
If someone would like to rise a scam around vaporizers this will be probably a good way to.
 
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HillaryClinton

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What i mean is that they set the level of expectation very high, thanks to this they harvest a lot of money, and before satisfying anyone who supported their found raising campaign they starts again asking money for something only saw once in a video (like moon landing :-)
If someone would like to rise a scam around vaporizers this will be probably a good way to.

Did they? They showed what they had(Working prototype vids when the indiegog launched) and we all lost our minds, sorta like when a videogame company releases a pre-view and everyone pre-orders and waits for a midnight release(These are also pushed back sometimes a year or more).

I am not seeing how this is a scam, maybe I am just not cynical enough though...

Sure they opened pre-orders, I would if I was them also based on current wants/needs, never scammed a person in my life.

If this truly was a scam, they would have bounced and not been updating us every two weeks if you ask me, its easier to do that.
 

Andreaerdna

If God is the answer, then the question is wrong
Did they? They showed what they had(Working prototype vids when the indiegog launched) and we all lost our minds, sorta like when a videogame company releases a pre-view and everyone pre-orders and waits for a midnight release(These are also pushed back sometimes a year or more).

I am not seeing how this is a scam, maybe I am just not cynical enough though...

Sure they opened pre-orders, I would if I was them also based on current wants/needs, never scammed a person in my life.

If this truly was a scam, they would have bounced and not been updating us every two weeks if you ask me, its easier to do that.

You probably right, I'm cynical and wish you all to be satisfied by a good pen vape very soon
 

HillaryClinton

Future ruler of earth
You probably right, I'm cynical and wish you all to be satisfied by a good pen vape very soon

Well we will all find out soon enough it seems, I use to be more cynical, people still think I am super cynical, no hard feelings, I get what you were saying but I have hope in this one based on how close I been following it, I think I was like the 40th person to fund this thing(Bought one first 10 mins it was up for purchase lol....)...I hope I am right. :ninja:
 

HillaryClinton

Future ruler of earth
Anyone want to wager that either Chinese New Year and/or port strike will be blamed for the next delay?

I would put down money on: Grasshoppers are done, put them in boxes with shipping labels, went out and got super blazed, wound up on a mountain in Colorado, got lost, started a new civilization in a cave city they built with genius engineering skills, became 10 times more advanced then us, invented a chill beam, shot it at everyone on earth, world never had a war or fight again, peace was finally achieved.
 

Reliable ShotZ

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I know this is probably a difficult one to answer but does anyone know when this is going to be retail ready. This thing ticks absolutely every box I want in a vaporizer.
 
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HillaryClinton

Future ruler of earth
.2 packed tight. I can't see it holding more than that.

I'd welcome a smaller chamber since my pax is in the shop my FF is tearin through herb.

.2 to .3 on low heat is my preference for a portable actually, so I am cool with that, especially with its size and shape.

Maybe they can make a bigger chamber attachment for other people later on? Who Knows.

I know this is probably a difficult one to answer but does anyone know when this is going to be retail ready. This thing ticks absolutely every box I want in a vaporizer.

Can't say, most likely a couple months, if you need something now the Atmos Boss seems alright and can be had for an alright price(Like 80ish on Ebay).
 

MolecularConcept

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I was thinking the exact same thing . They would make an extended mouth piece or something.

On the preorder page it says estimated ship date MAY. May 8th is my birthday :-D
 

HillaryClinton

Future ruler of earth
I was thinking the exact same thing . They would make an extended mouth piece or something.

On the preorder page it says estimated ship date MAY. May 8th is my birthday :-D

May hmm, I do hope early backers get them before that, I might be in another state, this will be like my 3rd address change since I bought this thing lmao...
 
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alphabj

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Yeah 1.5 cc is pretty small. But it is the size of a pen... the design is dope, super stealth I just hope it works well.

I wonder if that spec is actually up to date, given the fact that they changed the bowl design to be in the body instead of in the screw-on tip. Seems like the body would hold more. There is a recent video where it shows him packing the new bowl. It seemed like he put a ton of flower in there.
 
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VegNVape

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On the preorder page it says estimated ship date MAY

Hey @MolecularConcept :)

I just logged in at Grasshopper.com & from what I could see estimated shipping date for all Hoppers is still showing as April 2015.

Where have you seen mention of May?

@Grepper did you ever see this post by @fft containing an email with a reply from Trevor? If not, have a read because he does talk about the colour differences between the clip & the main body & the reason for it if that is what you are referring to . . .
So I took the advice from @420time, and @blankexpression , contacted Trevor myself with a few of the recent questions, and got a very thoughtful response back. Here's the exchange:

Trevor,

I am a Grasshopper supporter (1 "everything" and 1 standard) and had a few questions regarding your 12/15 update. I recognize that you guys have been working extremely hard on this and appreciate the effort and attention to detail you are putting in to get all this right. Here are my questions:

1) Easy question first. In the photos you posted last night it looked like there is a color difference between the clip and the rest of the back end. Do the photos reflect what you think the shipped version will look like or do you think the final color will be a little more consistent?

2) With the back end looking good (actually it looks great / solid) the obvious question is what's the status of the front end components, especially the heat exchanger and other more critical parts up on that end. You mentioned performing "extensive testing" after the weekend's PCB fiasco, does that mean testing the whole pen presumably using prototype front end parts? (I hope so... you guys are entitled to some downtime) Given there has been less discussion in your updates around the front end, how much complexity is there in the front end components that could potentially be an issue. Recognize its impossible to anticipate all of the ways suppliers can screw up, but any color you have around this would be helpful.

I am a member of the Fuck Combustion forum where we've been talking about the update and would like to post your responses if thats okay. Let me just add that while there are a lot of haters out there, I do appreciate the complexity of what you guys are trying to pull off and am looking forward to seeing you all succeed - both delivering on the Indiegogo campaign and in doing great things beyond that. Good luck on what seems to be the home stretch in getting the first hoppers shipped and hope you all have great holidays too.

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Thanks for contacting me. I try and get to every email so sometimes it takes a bit. First, thanks for the support and kind words of recognition in regards to our efforts. It is truly appreciated. I used your numbering below to address your questions.

1. There currently is a color difference between the clip and the body. This is because we had to use a special alloy, the same one used for the snap ring, ( 17-4 Stainless ) to give the clip adequate strength. At first we attempted a heat treatment, but because of the clip's thin profile there were some issues with deformation. When having to design the new tooling for the clip, we decided to go the safest route possible and use 17-4 Stainless.

Check out this link for some basic info on the alloy. http://www.specialtysteelsupply.com/17-4ph-stainless-steel.php. The main property we are interested in is the very high yield strength.

We have considered a number of options regarding the color difference, but for now it will have to stay. Once the main Body is in, we will post images so you can see what the difference really looks like.

2. Thanks for taking the time to watch the video of the back end! We are really happy with how it came out mechanically. Extensive testing referred to a few things, but not the full Hopper, as we are waiting on the Body and Front-ends to come in.

First, we tested the mechanical operation of the button. The button has a design very similar to that of a real "click" pen, which extended and retracts the tip. In our case it moves a pin, which completes a circuit in one position and not in the other. Until last week we had only tested all the production parts of this separately, but not together. Once combined, we put it through the paces and checked that it was indeed working correctly. This went extremely well and there were no issues. It's really hard to convey how good this feels after so much time spent in front of a CAD model designing, checking and rechecking the design, clearances and tolerances.

The second part of testing involved the PCBs/electronics. One PCB is housed inside the rear assembly. It controls the on/off operation, temperature-dial-setting, and charging. The other is in front of the battery and it controls the chamber/heater temperature and the LEDs. The first step was to get these PCBs working outside the device, and like we talked about in the update, there were a few problems. Once that was done we assembled the Back-end with the PCB included and connected it to the Front-end PCB to fully test all the functionality. This also went really well and everything including the temp-dial-setting and charging worked as intended.

If you are wondering about actually vapeing during testing we do actually do this too. The difference being that we don't use the old incompatible prototypes, but have a system to adapt from the heater to a "chamber" that is affixed to the glass apparatus we showed a few updates ago. Although I don't think many people were impressed by this device, it actually is very important to be able to objectivly control the draw, so the results can be measured. A vacuum pump, and value allow us to precisely control the flow of air. As you can imagine, just taking a rip does not really give you great data.

Front-end

The Front-end is much more mechanically simple, but also a bit more challenging for the manufactures. The biggest issue with the Front-end is heat management. An all metal device that is designed to vape is a hard thing to do. Notice how almost every other vape is plastic where it contacts your lips? This is because plastic can be a lot hotter before it feels hot/burns you. Metal is a much better conductor of heat making it hard to work with. The prototypes we had at the very start had a good way to solve this problem, but it was very hard to do during mass production. In retrospect it is easy to see this was a big error, and caused a lot of delay.

We worked like crazy to get this right, and came to a design that required some complex manufacturing that was pretty costly. Because of this we had to get it right the first time. We went through an exhaustive list of iterations before submitting the design, as we needed to be sure that it was right. These have been promised to be completed before the 20th and we are very excited.

I apologize for the not so concise email I just got a bit into explaining it and figured since you asked you would appreciate it. I know the delays have been hard to stomach, so thanks for staying interested. We really are trying to get this to you as fast as possible, without compromise turning it into a piece of garbage. Feel free to relay the info, please forgive the typos, there is much still to do!

Thanks again for the support and happy holidays,

Trevor

:peace:
 
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Jack Sprat

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.2 packed tight. I can't see it holding more than that.

I'd welcome a smaller chamber since my pax is in the shop my FF is tearin through herb.
thanks for that info ... that explains the 3 hits and done in the video.

How much is that, like .2 grams?

1.5cc is actually rather large. If you have a syringe at home take a look at just how big 1.5cc is. Looks like it would hold a lot.
 

zymos

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Well crystallized. I say again, one simple, well produced video showing ABV could have halted this entire shit show. The Grass-HOPE-r team has promised a lot. Because of the way they do things we just don't have enough information to really "know" anything.

Every video they've already released is greeted with suspicion. The last one had people suggesting that the guy in the demo took a hit off camera from some other source and pretended it was generated by the GH.
Some people are never going to be satisfiied. I'd add that "shit show" is in the eye of the beholder, and it's up to their company if they want to take those beholders seriously or just do what they think they need to be doing.
 
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