The Arizer Air

Simple question, just got my Arizer Air in the mail. ITS MY first vaporizer. shoutout to puffiitup for a great price!!!

I just got 2 strains of 90% Indica (if that matters) to use with my Arizer Air for the first time. What heat setting should I use and how much of my herb should I put in the Vape if I'm a lightweight, I don't want to get too high just want too see how this effects me for now.

So whats a good temp to do it with?

Thank you.

mod note: Merged into Arizer Air thread. Questions about specific vaporizers are not allowed in General Vaporization.

OF said:

First off, howdy! Welcome to the Forum and all the fun. Great choice with the Air, a much bigger 'leap of faith' for those of you who have to import them. We Yanks are lucky indeed to live 'next door' to the maker across a very casual (from a customs POV) border. Air is already showing up in the usual distributors.

Anyway, to your point, you should be fine once you mechanically adapt the plug. The charger I'm looking at (no doubt the one you'll get?) is rated 100 to 230 Volts, 50/60 cycles. No electrical conversions are needed.

There's a reminder sheet inside that amongst other good advice is 'fully charge before first use', the battery is probably a bit over half charged as shipped (or should be for maximum battery life). Otherwise, set some herb aside for the upcoming ride. Get to know it a bit, try different levels and draw techniques. It's a very capable machine in that respect.

Regards and best wishes. Enjoy your Air, it's a good one for sure.

OF

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Great that was what I was looking for, couldn't find the chargers specs anywhere. Thank you!

Start small and work your way up with your load. Try a mid range temp to start and go higher as it pleases you. The highest temps with good indica should have you nice and relaxed. Even if it is a bit too much you will probably just fall asleep anyway lol. If so then ease back the next day.

DJ Colonel Corn said:

I ask you to read up on ANY li-ion battery safety advice regarding unattended charging, then try to tell me somehow this does not apply to you.

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Actually, I'm having some trouble finding such warning about unattended charging. It's not in the manual for one of my external chargers (a fairly well respected one):
http://www.all-battery.com/datasheet/01270_manual.pdf

Nor can I find any such warning in amongst the danger discussions at Battery University (they have to do with high and low temperature for the most part):
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/safety_of_lithium_ion_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/lithium_ion_safety_concerns
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/safety_concerns_with_li_ion

Even Wiki doesn't mention it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery

Now maybe I missed it, but a text search for "unattended" failed to return anything on any of those pages?

Can you please show me an example of such a warning WRT this case? TIA

I'm all for giving due respect to established safety concerns, I just don't see them in this case. Problems are extremely rare and in applications not related to Air near as I can tell.

Ndoye said:

Great that was what I was looking for, couldn't find the chargers specs anywhere. Thank you!

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You're quite welcome, glad to help when I can (as are many others around here you're sure to have noted).

No offense, you're just not looking in the right place, it's clearly printed here right on top of this charger......

Enjoy your Air when it finally gets to you. Sometimes such things can be all the sweeter from the extra troubles in getting one.

OF

Airmaster One said:

Since I'm new to vaporizing, what heat settings would you recommend?

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It's up to you. The lower temps can give you a more heady, social high, while the higher temps can get you more couch-locky. Try a stem with it on the lower temp only for the entire session. Then hit that same stem later at the end of the night and see if you notice a difference.

Airmaster One said:

How does the fineness of grinded herb correlate with the vapor density that you can get?

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The finer the grind the more surface area, which means more vapor. But it also means you can go through more bud in a bowl and you can get thicker hits that some feel hit you stronger while others feel are wasteful. But a finer grind can also gum up your screens quicker and lead to less vapor if you don't clean regularly.

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How often to you stir the bowl with the poker tool while you're vaping, and does this make a big difference in getting more hits?

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I don't stir with this unit.

Welcome to the forum.

General rule of thumb - low temperatures if you want some effects, but still a clear mind to do work and function normally. Save the high temperatures for later in the evening/night when you want/need the sedative effects of the medication

DJ Colonel Corn said:

... @valence , I clearly and visibly gave you the link to that bubbler in my post. Seems it's just not meant to be..... (link for bubbler is here, click here <--..) (original reply is here.)

Good luck

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Sorry for the miscommunication. Your link worked for me but I had already purchased the D020. Thanks!

Ndoye said:

Hey everybody. I just ordered the AA to Denmark from a US webshop, there was no EU chargers available. So now I'm wondering if it's OK on the battery just to use a cheap travel plug converter. I really don't know anything about electricity or batteries at all

If it's bad for the battery is the power adapter a regular one that I could buy a Danish version of from any store over here? I don't want to pay for shipping again.

Thanks, amazing community btw!

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I'm in a similar situation, also bought my air from the US and got a US charger with it(as I had expected), my solution is that I also ordered a nightcore i4 charger, and it arrived pretty much together with the air. also much more convenient as charging in the unit I think.

Try the lowest temp. I use a medium grind and no screen. You may decide you want a screen, it's your choice. Load your unit with a loose pack for better air flow, just fill half a load.

Take a couple draws then wait a half hour before you take anymore, 2 or 3 draws may be all you need. If you need more you can always do that. If you use too much it's a long wait for it to wear off, like 2 hours.

Damn VAS is a mofo I was dead set on getting a lily but that puffitup deal was too good to pass up can't wait till I get my baby!!!!!

OF said:

No offense, you're just not looking in the right place, it's clearly printed here right on top of this charger......
OF

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Question, OF, how has your homemade USB charger been holding up? Do you think I can use it with a portable power bank as long as its 2.1A?

stickstones said:

The finer the grind the more surface area,

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I'm reading this all the time but I fail to see how is the surface area "more" cause of finer grinding.....

thc - trichromes are on the outside of the plant not inside, so surface area is always the same no matter how fine or coarse the grind.....
how I see it is ,on a finer grind the only thing you do is letting more "inside wood material" to come in contact with heat,
which will release some more visible vapor but I am not convinced the effect is actually better.

please someone correct me if I'm wrong.


to mods:
sorry for OT.

Airmaster One said:

1. Since I'm new to vaporizing, what heat settings would you recommend? I usually opt for green since that seems to be a middle ground, but I'd like some advice on when to use different settings based on the volume of herb, density, and how much of it has been vaped. I have heard that you can re-vape toasted herb, is this possible with the AA and if so, what heat setting would you advise and how effective is it?
2. How does the fineness of grinded herb correlate with the vapor density that you can get? For example, do you find that you get bigger/thicker hits the more finely grinded the herb is, or does this make a difference? And yes, I do own screens so I don't mind grinding it fine. But last night I noticed something: I simply broke up the herb with my fingers, old school style, into somewhat large chunks. I didn't use a screen, but I got massive and numerous hits from one bowl.
3. How often to you stir the bowl with the poker tool while you're vaping, and does this make a big difference in getting more hits? (sometimes its a little cumbersome to remove the bowl and stir it while I'm driving).

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Tuff Questions Airmaster One. While the AA hes a broad range of operation, there may exist a narrower band where performance is optimized; a sort of Goldilocks zone or PowerBand where thick vapor actually drags outlet temps down. It's a matter of matching heat level, airflow and stem pack. Anyways, at the risk of over complicating things, here a pic of outlet temps over time for 5 different situations.

These 5 above curves all use the short MP stem & all except #4 has airflow throttled with restriction,
#1-White heat setting, too cold,
#2-Green, still too cold,
#3-Orange, Perfect!, notice concave shape to curve that bucks the trend,
#4-Orange, No sleeve(full airflow), more airflow than required increases temps by 20 degrees,
#5-Orange, Same load as #3, but spent, No vapor lets temps climb quicker,

Long story Short, if U wanna chase clouds within the AA PowerBand, try the short MP stem with a loose/semi-firm pack(fine to medium grind) on Orange with long, slow draws that are hardly audible.

tdriver said:

I'm reading this all the time but I fail to see how is the surface area "more" cause of finer grinding.....

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I believe some thc is in the plant, but not much. But the bigger reason may be due to the homogenization of the load. Whenever I load a whole nug it takes a lot of draws to get the inside toasty. The outside gets the brunt of the hot air. But when you grind you make it easier for the air to penetrate the load, giving you a bigger hit. Try it and I'm sure you'll see the difference, whatever the reason may be.

I got my baby back like chilis!



I can't say enough about how happy I am with Arizer's warranty process and customer service. Kevin promptly answered all of my emails. I sent in just my charger and unit without the battery. They sent me back a brand new unit with a new battery (red compared to my old blues), another short mp stem (which has a slightly different design, same OAL but a bigger bowl ), a new non-mp stem (that's shorter than my original non-mp stem), 2 stem caps, another poker, some wild flower and a new aroma dish!

Now I have 5 stems all different designs for the air feels like Christmas!

edit: just found another sleeve and carrying case tucked away too! what else is in this little box!? lol

Anybody with any opinion on turbo stems or increasing airflow?
It's damn good but i feel it could be great. ....

SlightlyStonedSD said:

I got my baby back like chilis!

I can't say enough about how happy I am with Arizer's warranty process and customer service. Kevin promptly answered all of my emails. I sent in just my charger and unit without the battery. They sent me back a brand new unit with a new battery (red compared to my old blues), another short mp stem (which has a slightly different design, same OAL but a bigger bowl ), a new non-mp stem (that's shorter than my original non-mp stem), 2 stem caps, another poker, some wild flower and a new aroma dish!

Now I have 5 stems all different designs for the air feels like Christmas!

edit: just found another sleeve and carrying case tucked away too! what else is in this little box!? lol

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How long did the warranty return process take? Looks like I will be sending my unit in for the same issue right away and I'm not looking forward to being without my Air!

Thanks to stickstones and Vapormatic for the direct replies. It seems that a slightly higher temp than green (most likely yellow) would suit me well, as I consider myself an indica-ish person who prefers a stoney and relaxed body high. Vapormatic - that was an informative diagram that you drew up, kudos for the illustration and shedding light on heat optimization. Tonight I am going to try vaping purely on the yellow light and will see how that differs from green. I am still a little unsure on how grinding herb fine or coarse makes a noticeable difference, I suppose the jury is still out on that topic, but I will experiment with it myself and report my findings.

To VisiblyVaped, I'd like to address your question about increasing airflow through a third party glass tube such as the PVHE's - I saw a youtube video by Vapefiend () where during the 8:20 mark, he simply uses the PVHEGonG tube as a mouthpiece and draws direct from that. Has anyone tried that and how effective do you find it as a mouthpiece instead of an adapter? I imagine that it would get hot after a few draws, because of the short length of it (especially compared to the normal glass tube that comes with the AA), so I had an idea of putting a 18mm to 14mm reducer piece on the PVHE whenever it gets hot. So that could be used as a second mouthpiece. So basically this would be a shorter version of an all-glass tube. And I recommend getting the 18mm PVHE as that may give you easier draws because of the wider diameter. Thoughts anyone?

I use my 18mm PVHES as a dry stem occasionally, works well. Definitely a little warmer than a normal stem due to the short/direct vapor path, but I'm a fan of the feel of ground glass as a mouthpiece.

SmorezNTickles said:

Question, OF, how has your homemade USB charger been holding up? Do you think I can use it with a portable power bank as long as its 2.1A?

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Thus far it's doing just fine. I've tried it on two such power banks so far, one of which sagged down to something like 4.7 Volts and slowed up the charging a bit, the other it's own just fine (basically the same as mains powered).

You don't need 2.1 Amps, or even the 1.2 the factory charger is rated for, typical currents are about .8 Amps, I've never measured it over .85. If you run it on an underpowered port or supply, that current just drops to whatever is available.

Thus far a qualified success. I'm a little concerned that the wire on this cable is too frail for general use (we had some failures on similar connectors in the Solo PA development). The second type I had ordered didn't fit. I've got yet another version coming that looks to have a more robust cable (like the factory charger does). Hopefully it fits........ But the one I posted earlier is working just fine (although needs trimming back a bit).

OF

Here are pics of an aftermarket case that I found in L.A.


This is probably one of the most compact cases you can get for the AA, as you can see there's only room for the unit, 2 stems, and 2 canisters (one for grinded herb, one for toasted herb). It is roughly the size of a sunglasses case. There is no room for the charger, extra batteries or extra stems. The case is shock proof and has 2 zipper clasps. You can substitute a canister for a battery if you prefer, or get a second case for the battery, charger, and stems. Unfortunately I do not know where you can buy this online, but they are readily available at the water pipe/glass distributor that I frequently visit, in "Bong Row" Los Angeles. If anyone is interested in this case, shoot me a message and I can get you one for $5.

If you want to be a little more stealth, they have the same case that says "eGo" on the metal tag, instead of "Vapor". They have about 5-6 colors. Just a heads up.

OF said:

Thus far a qualified success. I'm a little concerned that the wire on this cable is too frail for general use (we had some failures on similar connectors in the Solo PA development). The second type I had ordered didn't fit. I've got yet another version coming that looks to have a more robust cable (like the factory charger does). Hopefully it fits........ But the one I posted earlier is working just fine (although needs trimming back a bit).
OF

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Lemme us know how the third one compares when you get the chance!

Regarding battery safety and charging:

I've read all your messages saying you will charge unattended anyway, and OF's post saying he can't find any documentation saying not to, not even online.
Well, all I had to do was type "charging li-ion unattended" into Google and immediately got ten (10) sites ALL telling me not to charge li-ion batteries unattended. A few are from battery sellers, in which, they say if you're not willing to follow that rule then don't buy our batteries.
Here's and example, and here, and here, and here (forum, but still) and here.
So please folks do some reading, I'm not a lone paranoid nut job worrying away for nothing. I'm following the manufacturer's and retailer's very clear instructions regarding this matter.
I'm actually trying to save lives/property here so don't be so harsh.
"The facts, Ma'am, just the facts" -dragnet

DJ Colonel Corn said:

Regarding battery safety and charging:

I've read all your messages saying you will charge unattended anyway, and OF's post saying he can't find any documentation saying not to, not even online.
Well, all I had to do was type "charging li-ion unattended" into Google and immediately got ten (10) sites ALL telling me not to charge li-ion batteries unattended. A few are from battery sellers, in which, they say if you're not willing to follow that rule then don't buy our batteries.
Here's and example, and here, and here, and here (forum, but still) and here.
So please folks do some reading, I'm not a lone paranoid nut job worrying away for nothing. I'm following the manufacturer's and retailer's very clear instructions regarding this matter.
I'm actually trying to save lives/property here so don't be so harsh.
"The facts, Ma'am, just the facts" -dragnet

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Or maybe they are saying that for liability reasons. Just a guess. Also you keep saying, "I'm following the manufacturer's and retailer's very clear instructions regarding this matter" but apparently that is not true. Arizer is the manufacture of your vaporizer?

DJ Colonel Corn said:

So please folks do some reading, I'm not a lone paranoid nut job worrying away for nothing. I'm following the manufacturer's and retailer's very clear instructions regarding this matter.
I'm actually trying to save lives/property here so don't be so harsh.
"The facts, Ma'am, just the facts" -dragnet

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Thanks, I should have stated it better, I have a tough time finding relevant and credible safety concerns? The question is 'has Arizer built a safe system for us to use? Right? That is using their circuit and their battery is it safe to not watch it charge. Can this be done.

By all means folks should educate themselves and make up their own minds. Not let some net.expert make the decision for them. And not to let failures for different reasons enter into it. Quoting from a couple of the Battery University (IMO a reliable, objective source on such things) pages I suggested:

"Let me assure you that lithium-ion batteries are safe and that heat-related failures are rare. While the safety measures are especially critical for larger multi-cell batteries, small packs for cell phones need fewer safety precautions."

"Considering the number of lithium-ion batteries used on the market, this energy storage system has caused little harm in terms of damage and personal injury. In spite of the good record, its safety is a hot topic that gets high media attention, even on a minor mishap. This caution is good for the consumer because we will be assured that this popular energy storage device is safe. After the recall of Dell and Apple laptop batteries, cell manufacturers will not only try packing more energy into the pack but will attempt to make it more bulletproof. "

I'll leave it to the individual members to decide what's relevant, sound advice and what's paranoia. And what's lawyer inspired and what's based on sound engineering. What is intelligent risk assessment and what is misplaced concerns from problems elsewhere from counterfeit batteries, poor/dangerous designs, large battery packs, protection circuit failures, heat and cold issues that just don't apply to Air.

I believe the relatively few problems are taken way out of proportion and are basically all coming from usage/environments not in play here.

IMO Air is safe to use as instructed. Using the approved parts I feel every bit as safe charging it as my cell phone or Kindle. Or any of the loose li-ions used to power my various Thermovape, Delta 9 (now UP Tech?), flashlights, and so on.

OF