Discontinued The Okin by D.M. Pipes
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Actually, @Dan Morrison may test this out and let us know how well it works. I expect it will work very well!
Such kind words from everyone here and in my inbox! 
I'm so thankful to have found this forum and the wonderful people here!
Each charcoal is one time use. You'll want to match your chamber load with the charcoal size. I am experimenting with longer charcoals for larger chamber loads, but I am finding that there may be an ideal size of charcoal/chamber load where the okin works at maximum efficiency and ease...
I've also noticed that you can customize the individual charcoals. This is definitely not necessary, but those of you who like to tinker might enjoy experimenting. I've started to experiment with drilling tiny holes into the sides of the charcoal, and lighting and loading the charcoal in backwards, so that it burns from the opposite direction... or even lighting it from both ends, so that it burns from both ends at the same time.
I'm beginning to learn that the charcoal is like the heart of the okin, and tinkering with the size and shape of the charcoal will give you different results. Combine this with the ability to change the distance of the chamber to the charcoal, and you've got a lot of possibilities.
I suppose you could compare it to the idea of rolling fancy custom joints. Sure, it's not necessary to roll a triple cross joint, but.. the creativity and ritual of it all is pretty fun!
With the standard charcoal you will be left with an un-burned "stump". This can be kept to use for a number of neat things. There are many uses for bamboo charcoal, but for our purposes i think that the most interesting use would be to use it for air filtration. Placing a cotton pouch of bamboo charcoal in a room or box will help to neutralize odors and pollutants in the air.
Loading has not been an issue for me, it seems like a pinch between your fingertips is easily dropped into the chamber without losing anything. Though, I am going to try to make part of the box double as a loading aid, something simple and useful, but not a burden to carry or anything you might lose.
@Snappo , While that would be a really cool way of loading, I'm afraid that the design doesn't allow it. You would have to put your mouth on the tip, where the bronze springs are, very uncomfortable, ha.
I'm so thankful to have found this forum and the wonderful people here!Each charcoal is one time use. You'll want to match your chamber load with the charcoal size. I am experimenting with longer charcoals for larger chamber loads, but I am finding that there may be an ideal size of charcoal/chamber load where the okin works at maximum efficiency and ease...
I've also noticed that you can customize the individual charcoals. This is definitely not necessary, but those of you who like to tinker might enjoy experimenting. I've started to experiment with drilling tiny holes into the sides of the charcoal, and lighting and loading the charcoal in backwards, so that it burns from the opposite direction... or even lighting it from both ends, so that it burns from both ends at the same time.
I'm beginning to learn that the charcoal is like the heart of the okin, and tinkering with the size and shape of the charcoal will give you different results. Combine this with the ability to change the distance of the chamber to the charcoal, and you've got a lot of possibilities.
I suppose you could compare it to the idea of rolling fancy custom joints. Sure, it's not necessary to roll a triple cross joint, but.. the creativity and ritual of it all is pretty fun!
With the standard charcoal you will be left with an un-burned "stump". This can be kept to use for a number of neat things. There are many uses for bamboo charcoal, but for our purposes i think that the most interesting use would be to use it for air filtration. Placing a cotton pouch of bamboo charcoal in a room or box will help to neutralize odors and pollutants in the air.
Loading has not been an issue for me, it seems like a pinch between your fingertips is easily dropped into the chamber without losing anything. Though, I am going to try to make part of the box double as a loading aid, something simple and useful, but not a burden to carry or anything you might lose.
@Snappo , While that would be a really cool way of loading, I'm afraid that the design doesn't allow it. You would have to put your mouth on the tip, where the bronze springs are, very uncomfortable, ha.
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marduk
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Placing a short wooden straw that fits into the tip where the charcoal goes would remedy this, no?
Then again, that would be another piece to carry around... and there would probably need to be a fine screen in it to avoid sucking up tiny bits of charcoal...
ANOKHI
Blow that shit out!!
@Dan Morrison The box would be great to use, As you would have it anyway. Can't wait to see what creative thing you come up with. Thanks
Breathemetal
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So instead of herb, one could use a cotton wad soaked with concentrate, or concentrate wrapped in cotton...? Am i correct about this? Because this is most likely how i will use it 75% of the time.
Hmm... I'm gonna be buying a Lilly in the next few days, and I just wondered if taking the heating tube of the Lilly and Jerry rigging it to be held by the prongs that normally hold the charcoal, then apply the jet lighter as one would on the Lilly... I dunno, just suddenly struck me as a thing that might work :-)
Thinking with my fingers again, I should know better, its way to late/early to be attempting thought :-)
I'm certainly hoping so. I'll certainly be trying it :-)
Thinking with my fingers again, I should know better, its way to late/early to be attempting thought :-)
I'm certainly hoping so. I'll certainly be trying it :-)
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Such kind words from everyone here and in my inbox!
Each charcoal is one time use. You'll want to match your chamber load with the charcoal size. I am experimenting with longer charcoals for larger chamber loads, but I am finding that there may be an ideal size of charcoal/chamber load where the okin works at maximum efficiency and ease...
I've also noticed that you can customize the individual charcoals. This is definitely not necessary, but those of you who like to tinker might enjoy experimenting. I've started to experiment with drilling tiny holes into the sides of the charcoal, and lighting and loading the charcoal in backwards, so that it burns from the opposite direction... or even lighting it from both ends, so that it burns from both ends at the same time.
I'm beginning to learn that the charcoal is like the heart of the okin, and tinkering with the size and shape of the charcoal will give you different results. Combine this with the ability to change the distance of the chamber to the charcoal, and you've got a lot of possibilities.
I suppose you could compare it to the idea of rolling fancy custom joints. Sure, it's not necessary to roll a triple cross joint, but.. the creativity and ritual of it all is pretty fun!
With the standard charcoal you will be left with an un-burned "stump". This can be kept to use for a number of neat things. There are many uses for bamboo charcoal, but for our purposes i think that the most interesting use would be to use it for air filtration. Placing a cotton pouch of bamboo charcoal in a room or box will help to neutralize odors and pollutants in the air.
Loading has not been an issue for me, it seems like a pinch between your fingertips is easily dropped into the chamber without losing anything. Though, I am going to try to make part of the box double as a loading aid, something simple and useful, but not a burden to carry or anything you might lose.
@Snappo , While that would be a really cool way of loading, I'm afraid that the design doesn't allow it. You would have to put your mouth on the tip, where the bronze springs are, very uncomfortable, ha.
What about putting the bowl in the stem instead of the heat exchanger? Makes loading easy as you would simply inhale through the pipe. You could then have different styles of tips and the only part of the pipe that could possibly break could be (relatively) easily replaced. It would also open up the option of a water pipe adapter. You would also have lots of artistic freedom with the tip designs.
I really don't have any experience with concentrates. But the chamber in the okin is essentially the same concept as other convection vaporizers on the market. Instead of hot air from an electric heating element being drawn through the chamber, you are drawing hot air from the burning bamboo charcoal. So, techniques for vaporizing concentrates in other convection vaporizers with tube-like chambers should, in theory, be effective in the okin as well. More knowledge in this area will come in time!
Without going into to much detail, i'll just say that the ease of loading was a positive that couldn't outweigh the accompanying negative side-effects of that design plan.
It must be bamboo charcoal of specific diameter, 8.5mm-11mm. Ideally, it should be converted to charcoal properly to maximize the fixed carbon content, thus creating a cleaner burning charcoal.
The extreme porosity of bamboo charcoal, along with it's high carbon content creates a heat source that burns hotter, faster and more completely.
Hardwood charcoal just won't burn hot enough, and it'll be a huge pain to light.
Bamboo charcoal is also naturally hollow. The charcoal must be a hollow tube.
@emmdeemo , I don't know if that would work... in any case, it sounds really awkward!
For sure. In my defence, I'm very tired :-)
stickstones
Vapor concierge
We're a funny group on this forum...we mod things before it's even been produced!
Hahahah.
BULLSEYE! This may be as close to hand-crafted all natural vape perfection as it gets!I think this is one vape I wouldn't want to modify. Same with my logs. Something about wood....
No snarky comments.
I've been testing the okin with pipe tobacco and getting some seriously good results.
I know this won't appeal to everyone, but it appeals to me!
The forum, I am sure, frowns upon the use of tobacco for obvious health reasons, so bare with me for this post! ha.
I do enjoy the occasional smoke from a good ol' tobacco pipe, but as I have stopped combusting, I've gotten more and more sensitive to the negative side-effects of smoking. So, I've been experimenting with vaporizing tobacco as an alternative.
I've had mixed results vaporizing tobacco in the past, and depending on the tobacco you use it can be really awful. With earlier experiments in other vaporizers, I found that the tobacco tastes very harsh, with little vapor production, and a taste that quickly diminishes.
A few of my friends are into e-cigs, and I've used their pen-style vaporizers to see how it was, I was not impressed with the taste and mouth feel. It was quite harsh and weird compared to the smooth vapor you get from loose leaf herbs, or the smoke you get from a nice tobacco pipe.
But anyhow, I've found that with some simple modification to the charcoal, the heat generation can be geared towards vaporizing pipe tobacco. I find that pipe tobacco cut into uniform small pieces works best. Cigarette tobacco should be avoided, IMO. In contrast to herbs, the tobacco should be moist and fresh.
The vapor production is the best I have experienced, and a few times I was convinced that I had accidentally combusted, since I was getting that smooth, sweet and full mouth feel that I am used to getting from a pipe. Yet, when the chamber was dumped, I was surprised to see that no combustion had occurred. In contrast to cannabis, vaporizing tobacco can be much more harsh than smoking it, so comparing the vapor to the smoke is a good thing in this context! haha.
I was using an aromatic blend, "buttered rum" to be exact. This seemed to be working really well.
E-cig juice seems to be really popular these days, and for the all day smoker and cloud chaser it seems like a more practical solution.. but for occasional use I wouldn't hesitate to pick up the okin opposed to my much-loved tobacco pipe. Especially considering the vapor quality feels much more natural and enjoyable to me than the vapor I have experienced from the juice.
Though, since the stem of the okin is all wood, it will be seasoned with whatever you put into the chamber. So, I expect my stem to smell like sweet toffee for a little while now. Which is okay with me, but some people might like to dedicate a stem to herbs and another to tobacco.
Again, this is just a side-note, and you would really be going through a ton of charcoals if you wanted to vaporize tobacco all day, but it's an interesting topic non-the-less.
I know this won't appeal to everyone, but it appeals to me!
The forum, I am sure, frowns upon the use of tobacco for obvious health reasons, so bare with me for this post! ha.
I do enjoy the occasional smoke from a good ol' tobacco pipe, but as I have stopped combusting, I've gotten more and more sensitive to the negative side-effects of smoking. So, I've been experimenting with vaporizing tobacco as an alternative.
I've had mixed results vaporizing tobacco in the past, and depending on the tobacco you use it can be really awful. With earlier experiments in other vaporizers, I found that the tobacco tastes very harsh, with little vapor production, and a taste that quickly diminishes.
A few of my friends are into e-cigs, and I've used their pen-style vaporizers to see how it was, I was not impressed with the taste and mouth feel. It was quite harsh and weird compared to the smooth vapor you get from loose leaf herbs, or the smoke you get from a nice tobacco pipe.
But anyhow, I've found that with some simple modification to the charcoal, the heat generation can be geared towards vaporizing pipe tobacco. I find that pipe tobacco cut into uniform small pieces works best. Cigarette tobacco should be avoided, IMO. In contrast to herbs, the tobacco should be moist and fresh.
The vapor production is the best I have experienced, and a few times I was convinced that I had accidentally combusted, since I was getting that smooth, sweet and full mouth feel that I am used to getting from a pipe. Yet, when the chamber was dumped, I was surprised to see that no combustion had occurred. In contrast to cannabis, vaporizing tobacco can be much more harsh than smoking it, so comparing the vapor to the smoke is a good thing in this context! haha.
I was using an aromatic blend, "buttered rum" to be exact. This seemed to be working really well.
E-cig juice seems to be really popular these days, and for the all day smoker and cloud chaser it seems like a more practical solution.. but for occasional use I wouldn't hesitate to pick up the okin opposed to my much-loved tobacco pipe. Especially considering the vapor quality feels much more natural and enjoyable to me than the vapor I have experienced from the juice.
Though, since the stem of the okin is all wood, it will be seasoned with whatever you put into the chamber. So, I expect my stem to smell like sweet toffee for a little while now. Which is okay with me, but some people might like to dedicate a stem to herbs and another to tobacco.
Again, this is just a side-note, and you would really be going through a ton of charcoals if you wanted to vaporize tobacco all day, but it's an interesting topic non-the-less.
stickstones
Vapor concierge
BLASPHEMY!!!! OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!!
A good part of the world mixes their tobacco with our herb. Vaping herb has gotten me interested in and trying ecigs, and I'm no smoker. Sometimes we all get to the same place but take different routes. I would rather vape pipe tobacco than this ejuice I have sitting next to me...
A good part of the world mixes their tobacco with our herb. Vaping herb has gotten me interested in and trying ecigs, and I'm no smoker. Sometimes we all get to the same place but take different routes. I would rather vape pipe tobacco than this ejuice I have sitting next to me...
This for me is an extra incentive (not that I need it) - although I NEVER inhale tobacco products, I do enjoy the flavor of TOP SHELF cigar and pipe tobacco. From the sound and look of all I've seen of the Okin, I will be able to enjoy to the max my all-natural vices ...hmmm - would that be an oxy-moron of sorts? No matter - with vices delivered like this, I will have no regrets!
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Unisonruss
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Agreed, I like the bamboo best, too.
You're telling me! I have the itch I can't scratch...
I've always wanted a vape that could do tobacco well, stoked! No vape I own has done it that well, Lotus came closest, but you had to get it HOT to get any vapor, and combustion was way too easy. Looking forward to owning two stems for my Okin!
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Breathemetal
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@Dan Morrison
What about cleaning and maintenance? Resin will build up inside the walls..Especially with concentrates
What about cleaning and maintenance? Resin will build up inside the walls..Especially with concentrates