Best airtight container for storage

t-dub

t-dub

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Make sure you get a jar with a good seal. Candle jars and pop tops do not work.

Also, I can not believe the guy that sells those digital cure caps. He is insisting that he has to charge me sales tax even though I live in Oregon and we don't have one. He says its the law. Total bullshit. Just sent him articles and case law supporting my position. This guy is NOT very smart.

UPDATE: It looks like he wised up a little because he decided to not only refund my tax amount but he gave me a little extra for the "inconvenience". So I won . . . :D:D:D
 
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Tweak

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t-dub said:
Make sure you get a jar with a good seal. Candle jars and pop tops do not work.
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Meh, they work fine for me. The amount of air exchange in a closed pop top jar would be negligible when he opens it up everyday anyway. IMO, using a smaller jar with less air is better than using a much bigger jar with empty space.

Deano said:
I'm simply wanting airtight storage with everyday usage.
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Even High Times shows users to use pop tops and use the smallest jar possible.


As OP stated, he isn't storing for long term, which I think you keep referring too. I don't think many here are in your situation and can have the luxury of storing flowers for a year or longer, but I could be wrong.
 
RUDE BOY

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@lwien sounds like you could use one 'classic' JyARz to store your whole buds and a 'chico' for your pre-ground. I've stored whole buds(2-3.5 gm) in classic JyARz and a gram of ground in a 'chico" for a few months(3-4) with no noticeable degragation.

And I find the 'Satchmo' is a great size for a 1/4 oz. I know they seem expensive ... until you use 'em.
 
lwien

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RUDE BOY said:
@lwien sounds like you could use one 'classic' JyARz to store your whole buds and a 'chico' for your pre-ground. I've stored whole buds(2-3.5 gm) in classic JyARz and a gram of ground in a 'chico" for a few months(3-4) with no noticeable degragation.

And I find the 'Satchmo' is a great size for a 1/4 oz. I know they seem expensive ... until you use 'em.
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Using these little one gram SC containers for my preground:
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And their 2 gram and 1/8th containers which are then stored in the Mason Jars. Do you think there would be any advantage in using the Jayrz?
 
RUDE BOY

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I never used those so I don't know for sure how they compare. I do know I lost a JyARz for near a year behind a wardrobe(i knew where it was but it was to big to move) and the herb seemed as fresh as the day I bought it, still sticky and dark green and not crumbly dry and pale.

they're impressive to me anyhow and there would be no need to put 'em a mason jar for any reason whatsoever.
 
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UncleJunior

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glass jars are the best.

but prescription bottles work very well. they're more durable and easier to carry.

for the purist, who doesn't want their bud coming in contact with plastic, I guess it won't do though.
 
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spoutti

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Very interesting discussion. I will have to give boveda packs a 2nd chance when they produce another batch. I had used them a few times with success until I killed the flavor of my purple kush using a cvault with a 62% boveda pack. It was my 1st attempt of storing pk. I switched to vacuumed mason jars with success, exept it still killed my purple kush sweet flavor.. Maybe its a strain specific problem vs storing method..

For everyday use, I use classic jyarz. Awesome products. Suck a bowl from it, gently tap a little mound on your scale bowl, solid.
 
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I switched to vacuumed mason jars with success, exept it still killed my purple kush sweet flavor..
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I read that vacuum sealing will purge the oil that is still on the bud, kinda like how users purge solvents. :shrug:

After a few days of digging, this is the most scientific statement I could find.

The stability of cannabis and its preparations on storage
Fairbairn JW, Liebmann JA, Rowan MG
J Pharm Pharmacol 1976 Jan;28(1):1-7

Abstract:
Solutions of pure cannabinoids, nine samples of herbal and two of resin cannabis (one freshly prepared) were stored in varying conditions for up to 2 years. Exposure to light (not direct sunlight) was shown to be the greatest single factor in loss of cannabinoids especially in solutions, which should therefore be protected from light during analytical and phytochemical operations. Previous claims that solutions in ethanol were stable have not been substantiated. The effect of temperature, up to 20 degrees, was insignificant but air oxidation did lead to significant losses. These could be reduced if care was taken to minimize damage to the glands which act as "well filled, well closed containers". Loss of tetrahydrocannabinol after exposure to light does not lead to an increase in cannabinol, but air oxidation in the dark does. It is concluded that carefully prepared herbal or resin cannabis or extracts are reasonably stable for 1 to 2 years if stored in the dark at room temperature.
 
lwien

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Tweak said:
I read that vacuum sealing will purge the oil that is still on the bud, kinda like how users purge solvents. :shrug:

After a few days of digging, this is the most scientific statement I could find.

The stability of cannabis and its preparations on storage
Fairbairn JW, Liebmann JA, Rowan MG
J Pharm Pharmacol 1976 Jan;28(1):1-7

Abstract:
Solutions of pure cannabinoids, nine samples of herbal and two of resin cannabis (one freshly prepared) were stored in varying conditions for up to 2 years. Exposure to light (not direct sunlight) was shown to be the greatest single factor in loss of cannabinoids especially in solutions, which should therefore be protected from light during analytical and phytochemical operations. Previous claims that solutions in ethanol were stable have not been substantiated. The effect of temperature, up to 20 degrees, was insignificant but air oxidation did lead to significant losses. These could be reduced if care was taken to minimize damage to the glands which act as "well filled, well closed containers". Loss of tetrahydrocannabinol after exposure to light does not lead to an increase in cannabinol, but air oxidation in the dark does. It is concluded that carefully prepared herbal or resin cannabis or extracts are reasonably stable for 1 to 2 years if stored in the dark at room temperature.
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No mention of moisture control, eh?
 
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Tweak

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I can't find anything on moisture control other than while drying and curing.

Curing:

"This whole process tends to take a total of four to eight weeks. You will know when it is done when the jars stop “burping” when you open them. This means that the bacteria have stopped dismantling the accessible chlorophyll. After this the bud can pretty much be stored indefinitely, but it will tend to slowly loose THC potency after the eight week mark. However, to minimize this, the bud can be stored in a cool, dark, dry place to slow down the degeneration. It is warmth, light, moisture and air flow that will be your bud's bane."

t-dub said:
The study is about extracts . . .
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Then why does it state:

"nine samples of herbal"

"It is concluded that carefully prepared herbal or resin cannabis or extracts"

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I found this quote from a Chemistry major:

"Curing is not just removing the water. It's when the bacteria live because of oxygen and water. The bacteria die when you close the jar because it isolates the bacteria colony from excess oxygen. The rate at which they are growing,how many, and how much oxygen is in the jar depends on when the bacteria die. I am going to keep mine alive and thriving take over the fungus(mold). So curing would be keeping the bacteria alive and keeping fungus(mold) from growing, and at the same time using the bacteria to consume the chlorophyl. I have read that the sugar, starches, and chlorophyl are all converted to different compounds, that enhance the flavor while smoking. I am not sure of the names of these compounds or whether of not the bacteria makes these compounds. Or if the bacteria decomposes chlorophyl then the products of decomposition react with the water,sugar and starches to form the compounds. More research of bacteria and cannabis. I know nothing about removing the water. He said it rotates the THC molecule. I do not know how that makes more THC? What the fuck? I am a chemistry major. The only way to get more THC is to create it. I know that THC is created in the plant starting from an acid (cannabinolic acid) then it decomposes from heat and looses a carboxyl substituent group from the molecule and becomes THC. The acid is very similar to THC because that is only one group or two different ones. So maybe there is some residual acid that is converted to THC when cured. Acid cant exist without water. And if you dry it out too fast it will not be converted to THC. I do not know why. Maybe it needs to be acid to work. Maybe the acid decomposes to THC in the presence of water, oxygen, bacteria? I do not know how the carboxyl group is removed to create the THC when curing. Heat is used when growing. Carboxyl group is a double bonded oxygen and and an alcohol group. That means two hydrogens would need to replace the bond to those bonding sites to become THC. So maybe the two hydrogens from water. That means Oxygen would have to be released if the water molecule decomposes."

So it's bacteria that is still living that helps cure? Moisture helps keep it alive?

I knew that sugars, starches and chlorophyll are still breaking down, just didn't link it to bacteria?
 
olivianewtonjohn

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Tweak said:
I found this quote from a Chemistry major:

"Curing is not just removing the water. It's when the bacteria live because of oxygen and water. The bacteria die when you close the jar because it isolates the bacteria colony from excess oxygen. The rate at which they are growing,how many, and how much oxygen is in the jar depends on when the bacteria die. I am going to keep mine alive and thriving take over the fungus(mold). So curing would be keeping the bacteria alive and keeping fungus(mold) from growing, and at the same time using the bacteria to consume the chlorophyl. I have read that the sugar, starches, and chlorophyl are all converted to different compounds, that enhance the flavor while smoking. I am not sure of the names of these compounds or whether of not the bacteria makes these compounds. Or if the bacteria decomposes chlorophyl then the products of decomposition react with the water,sugar and starches to form the compounds. More research of bacteria and cannabis. I know nothing about removing the water. He said it rotates the THC molecule. I do not know how that makes more THC? What the fuck? I am a chemistry major. The only way to get more THC is to create it. I know that THC is created in the plant starting from an acid (cannabinolic acid) then it decomposes from heat and looses a carboxyl substituent group from the molecule and becomes THC. The acid is very similar to THC because that is only one group or two different ones. So maybe there is some residual acid that is converted to THC when cured. Acid cant exist without water. And if you dry it out too fast it will not be converted to THC. I do not know why. Maybe it needs to be acid to work. Maybe the acid decomposes to THC in the presence of water, oxygen, bacteria? I do not know how the carboxyl group is removed to create the THC when curing. Heat is used when growing. Carboxyl group is a double bonded oxygen and and an alcohol group. That means two hydrogens would need to replace the bond to those bonding sites to become THC. So maybe the two hydrogens from water. That means Oxygen would have to be released if the water molecule decomposes."

So it's bacteria that is still living that helps cure? Moisture helps keep it alive?

I knew that sugars, starches and chlorophyll are still breaking down, just didn't link it to bacteria?
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Was alittle confusing. What he is saying about the conversion of THCA to THC via curing makes no sense to me. Maybe im wrong, but I have always thought that the plant has THCA. THCA can not pass the blood brain barrier because it is too polar. If cured MJ has THC then, I should be able to eat it raw and get high. Not something I have tried (some nasty shit can grow on it AFAIK) but this seems to be pretty common knowledge.
 
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zor

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RUDE BOY said:
I never used those so I don't know for sure how they compare. I do know I lost a JyARz for near a year behind a wardrobe(i knew where it was but it was to big to move) and the herb seemed as fresh as the day I bought it, still sticky and dark green and not crumbly dry and pale.

they're impressive to me anyhow and there would be no need to put 'em a mason jar for any reason whatsoever.
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I have a large CVault and it performs wonderfully but I'm not planning on replacing the boveda humidity packs as I've found my jyarz to be excellent storage containers apart from their relatively small size (even with the largest model, satchmo) in the short term that I've had them. I also feel like like a chump paying for humidity, despite being well aware of the problems associated with over-humidifying a chamber, mold growth, etc. Until recently I preferred to purchase large quantities of a single herb strain and store them over a longer period of time since access was so difficult, and that guided my purchase for the cvault, but now that I have a caregiver and a variety of strain options I find the jyarz to be perfect for me :)
 
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