Discontinued The Persei Vaporizer for herbs and concentrates.

DieHard

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I guess I could be wrong, but I think the wick has little to do with heat up time. The heat up time should be more dependent on the gauge of the wire and the number of wraps. In other words the resistance of the coil. Maybe the diameter of the wick will make a difference, but that goes back to resistance and total wire length.
 

thegoo

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I meant the "new black ceramic kiss carts" have a longer heat up time. The actual heat up time is dependent on number of wraps and resistance of wire though as you said.
 
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Big Baby Jesus

The momentum is finally on our side. Carpe diem!
Just curious...what is the SR-74x Upgrade kit??? i have the original Hercules SR-71 shelved...will this make it work for me???

No, the SR-74x kit just reverts the oil chamber on the SR-74 back to the SR-71 style. Not sure what problem you were having with it, but the AAF washer may help you.

Struggling to learn the nibbler do I need to inhale faster for the cool down hits ? I've only flooded my hercs lower chamber once since I got it but the past 3 days with my nibbler its flooded each day despite very long cooldowns

You may not have the right size o-rings. They are two different sizes because the nibblers vary a bit in size. It should fit really tight. I don't know if you got both sets with it.

It seems like it I'm getting the perc to function well and the water levels change as I put on or take off the nibbler

Sounds like you're pulling water out of it taking it off. The best way I've found to remove it is, hold the Persei horizontal, rotate it such that the "UP" on the nibbler is facing down, and while holding it there twist out the SR. This breaks the suction for the water.
 
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stimp_420

When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
Hey guys, Been a while :science:, been busy. To answer the question of weather or not you can rebuild a coil by cutting the non resistance wire in half, for efficiency and to make sure you get 10 coils per rebuild kit. it does make it a little trickier though at the end to press the metal connection through the oring without pressing the non resistance leads back through. Would require three hands unless your one hand can hold two things at once (its possible:mental:). Anyway just here to say my v3 top FINALLY shit the bed after HEAVY DUTY daily use, this thing has turned around a pound of budder into the tastiest vapor ever sipped upon, so I say it put in its time and then some. Smoke started pouring out around the button the other day and now it just blinks, its already in the mail on its way back down californi way @THC SCIENTIFIC, I want to get an extra top if possible and was also wondering if I am supposed to run the kanger cart on 3.7 or 7.4? its a 2.5 ohm coil in there, Its for my mom to quit smoking so I will be ordering a whole other setup for her and her ejuice(she dabbles in dabs too:cool:). Also I wanna splurge and get some of your newest technologies maybe the alpha c?, or the kiss donut? please let me know how I should go about getting all the stuff shipped back at the same time, thank you

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@Big Baby Jesus I did get both sets of o-rings played around with both sets and settled on all 3 of the wider ones the nibbler is pretty tightly fit I'm pretty sure it's getting a good seal I adjusted my cool downs to be a bit more aggressive and think it's helped tho I also think I was overloading the herc and should put less material in future loads
 

spoutti

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I just scraped my sr74x reclaim chamber (heat gun comming soon!). I have major leaks everytime I go for huge 10-20sec button firing. Now I just added the aaf fully closing the airflow holes, and I will vape without the teflon sleeve and see how it goes.

Big cloud chaser's advices are all welcomed!

Doea anyone know if there is there any other variable voltage mod with an on/off function? Preferably with subohming features that can go past 7 volts to run my w9 attachments?

I kind of want to get a singelei 100w box mod & a 510/601 adapter to run the hercules & the bender; but it's a cryin shame it doesn't have the on/off function, otherwise, I'd probably never buy another battery.
The bender is nearly impossible to run without the on/off function :/

Goddamn W9, being miles ahead of the competition with portability with thc, yet so frustrating with proprietary threads & a hatred of liquid vaping.
@geetimesthree I dont know much about vv/vw mods. I scanned all the fastech choices, and im eyeing this one
http://www.fasttech.com/products/3032/10009402/1873600-zna-50-style-variable-wattage-apv-mod

Lots of good reviews, but a few of them says it can get hot. The singelei 100w got me thinking too. Here is an excellent recollection of posts regarding the vv/vw mod box collected by samuraisam

http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/will-hercules-sr74x-work-on-a-variable-voltage-e-cig-mod.16870/
 
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StormyPinkness

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Any word on the triton, or the iris?
Or the flexo for that matter?

The okeanos is an $80 paperweight to me since I haven't been able to get it to use water without draining into the wick (and I only bought it being led on that the triton was on it's way)

I have wanted the iris for so long, but mainly for the on/off function & I don't think the iris even goes below 1.0 ohms? I really want to have a variable voltage with subohming to run my aspire atlantis. That tank is everything I have every wanted for e-liquid.

Doea anyone know if there is there any other variable voltage mod with an on/off function? Preferably with subohming features that can go past 7 volts to run my w9 attachments?

I kind of want to get a singelei 100w box mod & a 510/601 adapter to run the hercules & the bender; but it's a cryin shame it doesn't have the on/off function, otherwise, I'd probably never buy another battery.
The bender is nearly impossible to run without the on/off function :/

Goddamn W9, being miles ahead of the competition with portability with thc, yet so frustrating with proprietary threads & a hatred of liquid vaping.
I had that issue with the okeanos when I tighten the mp on it too much. I think my center post being really loose caused a leak once too. I've never had it happen during use though so I just keep the bottom cap separate until I get it ready.
 
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Cheerful Dub

Spaced Station
For anyone who cares on why we didn't invest in the ecig market is because if this.

So it's "OK" to repurpose and re-engineer e-cig technology for alternative substances because you saw a market opportunity and capitalized on it.

But it is conversely negative or "wrong" to invest in and sell e-cig technology because of data generated by flawed research methodology. Gotcha.

The fact that the majority of these components (yours included) come from manufacturing facilities in China just adds to the comedy of this perspective.

The fact that they manufacture and sell thousands more units with identical margins for a different market couldn't possibly explain why you feel the need to look down your nose at them... could it? Laughable suggestion, at best.

You might have a leg to stand on if you never sold clearomizers or anything for e-juice on your own website but you have, and you continue to do so. If it is so dangerous and awful then I would expect you to stand behind your statements and sacrifice your reseller profit margin on those lame ass products. But we all know it's not about that.
 

DieHard

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So it's "OK" to repurpose and re-engineer e-cig technology for alternative substances because you saw a market opportunity and capitalized on it.

But it is conversely negative or "wrong" to invest in and sell e-cig technology because of data generated by flawed research methodology. Gotcha.

The fact that the majority of these components (yours included) come from manufacturing facilities in China just adds to the comedy of this perspective.

The fact that they manufacture and sell thousands more units with identical margins for a different market couldn't possibly explain why you feel the need to look down your nose at them... could it? Laughable suggestion, at best.

You might have a leg to stand on if you never sold clearomizers or anything for e-juice on your own website but you have, and you continue to do so. If it is so dangerous and awful then I would expect you to stand behind your statements and sacrifice your reseller profit margin on those lame ass products. But we all know it's not about that.
I believe the key word was INVEST. Reselling products that your customer base is requesting is good business. Not necessarily an investment. Just because they have manufacturing in China does not mean that they are like all of the crappy clones out there. An IPhone is made in China. But there are also really crappy phones that look the same made there as well. I believe that UpTech does their due-diligence. It is all about quality control, and setting, and maintaining standards. Not where it's made. That said I would rather buy everything "Made in USA". It just isn't possible.
 

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@Big Baby Jesus I did get both sets of o-rings played around with both sets and settled on all 3 of the wider ones the nibbler is pretty tightly fit I'm pretty sure it's getting a good seal I adjusted my cool downs to be a bit more aggressive and think it's helped tho I also think I was overloading the herc and should put less material in future loads
This! I think u solved the issue. Yes indeed you need more aggressive cooldown. Keep pulling after you let go of the power button. This will help a lot.
 

THC SCIENTIFIC

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So it's "OK" to repurpose and re-engineer e-cig technology for alternative substances because you saw a market opportunity and capitalized on it.

But it is conversely negative or "wrong" to invest in and sell e-cig technology because of data generated by flawed research methodology. Gotcha.

The fact that the majority of these components (yours included) come from manufacturing facilities in China just adds to the comedy of this perspective.

The fact that they manufacture and sell thousands more units with identical margins for a different market couldn't possibly explain why you feel the need to look down your nose at them... could it? Laughable suggestion, at best.

You might have a leg to stand on if you never sold clearomizers or anything for e-juice on your own website but you have, and you continue to do so. If it is so dangerous and awful then I would expect you to stand behind your statements and sacrifice your reseller profit margin on those lame ass products. But we all know it's not about that.



No your getting it wrong.

my whole issue is the health aspect.

If i want to ingest oils, i do not want carriers like pg or vg near me. The whole issue is health for us. That is why we stuck with the essential oil industry. As vaporizing pure oils is a lot safer then vg and pg that have no medicinal benefits other then being a carrier for something else. Now using a inhaler is a different world, but when you have the possibility that a liquid can creat formaldehyde then that's an issue.

Now getting to the tanks I sell online you could be right about that but then again you might not have noticed co2 extractions that are viscous and require tanks instead of the standard EO and kiss carts. Maybe that's the reason behind it. Also the fact that we offer Ti coils for the both the MT4 and Protanks for the guys who want purity.


Now moving on. I am a smoker and I know it's a bad thing, the reason we didn't put our weight behind researching and developing any ecig items is that I don't believe in supplementing nicotine from one delivery method to another.

Anyone who knows me knows that I ask one question when someone shows me their vg/pg cut oil. I laugh at it and ask why would you want to introduce a carrier for something that's going to be for health reasons.

Also take into account that oils need a higher temperature to vaporize thus bringing vg closer to combustion to make it happen.

The purer the oil the higher boiling point it is. That is why you can't vaporize oils at 410F as you would with flowers. Oils require around 500-600F.
 
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torggzorz

All your Vape are belong to us
No your getting it wrong.

my whole issue is the health aspect.

If i want to ingest oils, i do not want carriers like pg or vg near me. The whole issue is health for us. That is why we stuck with the essential oil industry. As vaporizing pure oils is a lot safer then vg and pg that have no medicinal benefits other then being a carrier for something else. Now using a inhaler is a different world, but when you have the possibility that a liquid can creat formaldehyde then that's an issue.

Now getting to the tanks I sell online you could be right about that but then again you might not have noticed co2 extractions that are viscous and require tanks instead of the standard EO and kiss carts. Maybe that's the reason behind it. Also the fact that we offer Ti coils for the both the MT4 and Protanks for the guys who want purity.


Now moving on. I am a smoker and I know it's a bad thing, the reason we didn't put our weight behind researching and developing any ecig items is that I don't believe in supplementing nicotine from one delivery method to another.

Anyone who knows me knows that I ask one question when someone shows me their vg/pg cut oil. I laugh at it and ask why would you want to introduce a carrier for something that's going to be for health reasons.

Also take into account that oils need a higher temperature to vaporize thus bringing vg closer to combustion to make it happen.

The purer the oil the higher boiling point it is. That is why you can't vaporize oils at 410F as you would with flowers. Oils require around 500-600F.

You bring up many great points here G and I respect your opinion on these matters for sure as what you say makes great logical sense.

For me it's just a matter of a "lesser of two evils" sort of thing, at least I'm vaping and not smoking cigs. In an ideal world of course there would be no downside but we have to be realistic, putting ANY sort of chemical in your body is causing harm. Cigs have clear health issues, eliquid similar results but lessened somewhat, even THC is a poison if you ask me (although I can't get enough of it!). It may not be very damaging to your body physically but THC can make profound psychological changes in a person if used regularly over time. Of course vaporising oil has the standard downsides of inhaling nanoparticulate and god only knows what it was extracted with depending on where you buy it from.... I've always been nervous about these butane extractions for health reasons.... butane is a horribly effective solvent... don't really want that in my blood stream.

All that being said, I'm totally OK with you not focusing on ecig tech at all. There's a million other companies out there that do it great already, it's a tough market. However, you guys are literally on the top of the oil pyramid (at least certainly in the research and development area) so there's no reason to throw yourself off balance now with some half-cocked ecig idea!
 
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k3nd4l

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No your getting it wrong.
Now getting to the tanks I sell online you could be right about that but then again you might not have noticed co2 extractions that are viscous and require tanks instead of the standard EO and kiss carts. Maybe that's the reason behind it. Also the fact that we offer Ti coils for the both the MT4 and Protanks for the guys who want purity.

can the mt4 tanks be used at 7.4v ?
 
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torggzorz

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can the mt4 tanks be used at 7.4v ?

not unless you dissassemble and build yourself a suitable rig inside of it. I'm sure it would just fry instantly at 7.4. Back when I used my Persei as an ecig I accidentally left it in 7.4v mode one time and slipped on my protank 2.... whoops, instantly hot mouthful of burned dookie and a ruined coil :>
 

k3nd4l

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not unless you dissassemble and build yourself a suitable rig inside of it. I'm sure it would just fry instantly at 7.4. Back when I used my Persei as an ecig I accidentally left it in 7.4v mode one time and slipped on my protank 2.... whoops, instantly hot mouthful of burned dookie and a ruined coil :>

ahh okay. i remember when i first got the tank i didnt realize i had 2 18350 in it instead of a single 18650 and remember the wick flashing a bright red ( as if it caught fire ) but my mt4 tank has connection problems so it cut off almost immediately and i switched it down to a single 18650. been running fine at 3.7v was just wondering about 7.4. thanks for the answer.
 
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SamuraiSam

Extraction Technician
IMO, what I liked best about the old kiss carts is how fast they heated up because it allowed more of the contents to be vaporized at once, whereas I have experienced a much harder time getting fuller hits on the new black ceramic due to the longer heat up time...(it seems as though the extra few seconds is more likely to push the concentrate off the wick and into the bottom of the dish ).
Everybody's got personal preferences, but there's also a bit of a learning factor.

With the white ceramic wicks, they didn't seem to absorb too much. When you tapped the button, the concentrate kind of would melt to the wire and wick but not absorb into it. Half the hit could slide off and into the cup if I had loaded too much. And with each tap when melting- some wisps of vapor inevitably emanate from the wick.

With the black wick, I place the concentrate on the wick- even a little bit more than I could with the white wick- and tap the button. When I do this, it actually melts into the wick quite a bit. I believe the porosity of the black wick means that more concentrate actually gets into contact with the wire at once, and feeds into the wire more consistently than with the white wire. That keeps the overall temperature of the wire cooler and results in more linear vapor production. And it means that once I properly 'fed' the ceramic, I can then press the button for quite a long time with great flavor. And get the whole hit, instead of it sliding off into the cup.

This is just my own opinion, but in the interests of full disclosure I have to admit that I have not purchased any KISS carts manufactured in the last 5-6 months. Since acquiring the Nibbler GN, and since I don't have an Okeanos, I have converted to using the Globes exclusively and have still not broken a single coil (neither of my original two Nichrome nor any of the six Ti coils i bought when they originally came out) in some time.

But most of the time, I use the Hercules, anyways.

I have major leaks everytime I go for huge 10-20sec button firing
How long are you camping out in between the monster hits? The big hits get the chambers and your oil hotter than littler hits, and people are generally more motivated to take big hits when they have the Nibbler XL attached.

If you are taking big hits and getting the thing really hot and trapping the heat inside the water and glass insulatingness of the Nibbler then you are gonna want to make sure to do cool-down draws in between your hits and preferably immediately after you exhale your vapor. That cool down hit immediately after does wonders for keeping the oil in the top chamber while at it's hottest. Never giving it the opportunity for gravity to win and let it seep out the air inlet holes.


That's what they are, in the bottom of the upper chamber. They're air inlet holes, and if the Herc is warm, they are designed to have air going into them. If you forget to do that, oil is going to go out of them. :2c:
 
Can you rebuild a KISS cartridge substituting Kanthal for the titanium? I made two that look great, but not usable on the Persei (the resistance is way too high). Kanthal is just way easier to use, but I guess the resistive properties are too different. (They would work on my vv/vw box mod either). If not Kanthal, any other easy to use wire. The titanium isn't working for me.
 
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lonelyhero

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You can rebuild a kiss with any type of wire you like resistance is determined by how thick the wire is and how long the wire is you can alter the length to get a resistance that works on the Persei or any other mod by changing the number of wraps around the wick
 
You can rebuild a kiss with any type of wire you like resistance is determined by how thick the wire is and how long the wire is you can alter the length to get a resistance that works on the Persei or any other mod by changing the number of wraps around the wick
thanks. i assumed i got carried away on wrapping; resistance was way too high 0.09. will try lower gauge and fewer wraps
 
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Fredster951

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So what is everyone's opinion on the Nibbbler G? I just purchased one. I really like how the globe coils hit. Especially the Ti one. Super smooth. I find myself reaching for the globe 30% of the time. Usually when I need a couple quick hits. The Hercules SR71 for sessions of clouds.
 
Fredster951,
lower gauge wire should mean more wraps. You want to shoot for a resistance of 1.0-1.5 ohms.

2015 is the year of the Triton...i hope.
Thanks. My resistance is too high right now, it is 0.09. I thought that I would use a lower gauge (a thicker wire) to bring down resistance. Of course I'm limited by the size of the cartridge. I was also assuming fewer wraps (a shorter trip for the electrons overall) would also help to reduce the resistance to 1.1 or so.
 
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torggzorz

All your Vape are belong to us
Thanks. My resistance is too high right now, it is 0.09. I thought that I would use a lower gauge (a thicker wire) to bring down resistance. Of course I'm limited by the size of the cartridge. I was also assuming fewer wraps (a shorter trip for the electrons overall) would also help to reduce the resistance to 1.1 or so.

.09 is incredibly low resistance, the persei shouldn't be used below .8 according to UPtech. I use kanthal to wrap my Kayfun builds around 1-1.5 ohms. 28/30gauge probably like 8-10 wraps or so I'd reckon should put you in the ballpark (i think, it's been a while since I built my kayfun hehe...). Use caution however - when you are using straight kanthal / nichrome without the "non-resistance" lead wires crimped on, the leads going down through the cup are going to get hot too. I have not tried rebuilding my own KISS yet so I don't know how to get around that issue other than using the non-resitance leads. If the lower part of the cup is getting hot it will melt the insulator o.O

EDIT: Also FYI - more wraps equals higher resistance.... so if you are at .09 you need waaaayyyyy more wraps hehe....
 
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elmoe420

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So what is everyone's opinion on the Nibbbler G? I just purchased one. I really like how the globe coils hit. Especially the Ti one. Super smooth. I find myself reaching for the globe 30% of the time. Usually when I need a couple quick hits. The Hercules SR71 for sessions of clouds.

I love my Nibbler G. I highly recommend you hook up the core and dial it up to 4.2v. That's the sweet spot for the Kiss globe + Nibbler G in my opinion.
 
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