next generation e-nails?

BoogerMan · Jan 19, 2015

Monsoon said:
Just caught up on the thread and am now sold on e-nails!

Thanks for your review and pictures! I'm pretty much set on getting your Gimido setup with the Domeless.com ceramic nail and cap, except I'd get the BestDabs one instead for the cooler case . Love the ceramic carb cap setup, reminds me a lot of the VaporBrothers VB2 e-nail/vape except at a fraction of the price! So I guess you just plop the dab on top of the hole and it gets sucked in?

As far as coils go for the Domeless.com ceramic nail, would there be much functional difference between a flat metal coil and a 20mm coil? @BoogerMan Besides the temp difference, do you find any functional difference between the two coils configurations like more pooling? I might just get all the parts for both anyway since they're cheap (and can be used as spares) but I wouldn't mind the option of saving a bit of cash too.

How much importance should be given to the connector type, namely normal 5-pin XLR vs 4-pin miniXLR? From what I found, 5-pin XLR is the most common which helps when replacing coils, 4-pin miniXLR seems like the new kid with a slimmer profile.

Yep you just plop the dab on the top of the hold and it melts down onto the nail then vaporizes. If you use a small dab and a small pointed tip dab tool (like the highly educated ball point tip) you can actually sneak the dab through the small hole and directly onto the nail without having the dab touch much of the hole's wall.

I haven't noticed any functional difference besides having to use the different temp. However, I always dab with the cap on so I can't really tell you if it pools up or not. It doesn't seem like it pools because I feel like I get the whole dab. I can say when the nail is cool and I take off the cap, there isn't one spot on the nail that is caked thicker than any other spot. But I do rotate the cap a little before each dab so that I am not dabbing on the same spot of the nail each time.

If the ceramic nail is the only nail you will be using I would say get the flat coil. It is more efficient and you will be able to use lower temps (which may make the coil last longer?). However, if you are going to want to use a variety of nails, I would say get the 16mm or 20mm coil because there seems to be more nails out there that work with the barrel style coil compared to the flat coil.

Not sure about the connector type. I don't recall having a choice between 4 pin and 5 pin. I received the 4 pin mini with my setup. I don't plan on having to replace the coil anytime soon so I am hoping by the time I do have to replace it, more 4 pin coils will be available.

I hope this helps!

420time · Jan 19, 2015

the one you have sir accepts both 4pin and 5pin, im thinking about getting the other one. This one looks better but only 10$ more then yours. Yours and the one i want says "4pin or 5pin mini XLR Plug", and when you order from then you can tell them what kind of coil and watts you want with it.
http://www.e-nail.org/Safe-Enail-Units/GIMIDO-Best-Dabs-Enail.html

BoogerMan · Jan 19, 2015

My connector only has 4 pins so I am not sure how a 5 pin cable would connect to a 4 pin connector? So I don't think it accepts both…

I don't know why it says 4 pin or 5 pin under the description. They don't give you an option to select 4 pin or 5 pin, at least for the Nice Dabs E-nail I got.

And I was thinking about getting the Best Dabs one, but I didn't like how the button was below the cable connector. Seemed strange to me because it looks like the cable would get in the way when trying to push the LED button and I'm clumsy as hell so I would definitely be knocking something over. And I didn't really like how only half of the top of the Best Dabs box had lines and the other half didn't. Doesn't look symmetrical to me. So I went with the Nice Dabs version.

Monsoon · Jan 19, 2015

BoogerMan said:
Yep you just plop the dab on the top of the hold and it melts down onto the nail then vaporizes. If you use a small dab and a small pointed tip dab tool (like the highly educated ball point tip) you can actually sneak the dab through the small hole and directly onto the nail without having the dab touch much of the hole's wall.

I haven't noticed any functional difference besides having to use the different temp. However, I always dab with the cap on so I can't really tell you if it pools up or not. It doesn't seem like it pools because I feel like I get the whole dab. I can say when the nail is cool and I take off the cap, there isn't one spot on the nail that is caked thicker than any other spot. But I do rotate the cap a little before each dab so that I am not dabbing on the same spot of the nail each time.

If the ceramic nail is the only nail you will be using I would say get the flat coil. It is more efficient and you will be able to use lower temps (which may make the coil last longer?). However, if you are going to want to use a variety of nails, I would say get the 16mm or 20mm coil because there seems to be more nails out there that work with the barrel style coil compared to the flat coil.

Not sure about the connector type. I don't recall having a choice between 4 pin and 5 pin. I received the 4 pin mini with my setup. I don't plan on having to replace the coil anytime soon so I am hoping by the time I do have to replace it, more 4 pin coils will be available.

I hope this helps!

Thanks, it does! I think I'll probably get all the options since it'll give me a backup too and was planning on getting a 20mm too anyway.

I'm guessing that since it's heating a block directly below the dish it should be similar or maybe even provide more even heat distribution? I know very little about the science behind it so it's just wild speculation.

I noticed that Gimido has different plug options with different boxes but you don't have a choice beyond that. D-Nail cables seem to all be regular XLR 5-pin so that 's one thing to keep in mind in case you're planning to upgrade in the near-term.

420time said:
the one you have sir accepts both 4pin and 5pin, im thinking about getting the other one. This one looks better but only 10$ more then yours. Yours and the one i want says "4pin or 5pin mini XLR Plug", and when you order from then you can tell them what kind of coil and watts you want with it.
http://www.e-nail.org/Safe-Enail-Units/GIMIDO-Best-Dabs-Enail.html

Their site is really confusing about that and it took me awhile to wrap my head around the difference. My understanding is that it's either 4-pin miniXLR or 5-pin regular XLR. @BoogerMan's might accept both number of pins but only for the miniXLR form factor. Gimido seems to only sell the 4-pin miniXLR and the only 5-pin in the regular.

420time · Jan 19, 2015

Monsoon said:
Thanks, it does! I think I'll probably get all the options since it'll give me a backup too and was planning on getting a 20mm too anyway.

I'm guessing that since it's heating a block directly below the dish it should be similar or maybe even provide more even heat distribution? I know very little about the science behind it so it's just wild speculation.

I noticed that Gimido has different plug options with different boxes but you don't have a choice beyond that. D-Nail cables seem to all be regular XLR 5-pin so that 's one thing to keep in mind in case you're planning to upgrade in the near-term.

Their site is really confusing about that and it took me awhile to wrap my head around the difference. My understanding is that it's either 4-pin miniXLR or 5-pin regular XLR. @BoogerMan's might accept both number of pins but only for the miniXLR form factor. Gimido seems to only sell the 4-pin miniXLR and the only 5-pin in the regular.

They also sell 5-pin XLR. Well im going to email them and ask them if it works for both 4pin and 5pin xlr. Can you tell me the difference between the 4-pin mini xlr and the 5-pin regular xlr?
http://www.e-nail.org/BestCoils/Regular-Coils/Regular-Coil-5pin-XLR-Metal-Cord.html
http://www.e-nail.org/BestCoils/Regular-Coils/Regular-Coil-5pin-XLR.html

420time · Jan 19, 2015

So i got a reply, they said i pick pick either the 4pin xlr or 5pin xlr for the enail not both. And they can ship FEDEX or USPS. Since i heard DHL has alot of workers who take the packages.

Soflo · Jan 20, 2015

420time said:
WOW....... they sell it at $350.... and this site sells the same exact thing for 250......

http://e-nail.us/

All people really gotta do is google it and theyll fine ones the exact same for 1/3 the price...

if you look at the PID its different. you want the omron pid.

Monsoon · Jan 20, 2015

Finally settled on everything and ordered the Gimido BestDabs with flat and 16mm coils, the Domeless.com ceramic nail and carb cap, and some dropdowns from here. I'm also going to try to setup the 16mm coil on my SCS OmniNail like in this link. Can't wait to get everything and test it out!

Silver420Surfer · Jan 21, 2015

Spoke with Darid over at Domeless, and he created a discount code just for FuckCombustion.

For 15% off on orders over $25 use: fc101

Thanks, Darid!! :rockon:

photobooth · Jan 21, 2015

That's awesome, I also noticed he is now including the Dab Cap in the 710 Whip kit/bundle instead of the carb cab he was offering previously, no need to spend the extra $35 to buy it separately
Edit: Now if only the CAD$ wasn't in the toilet...

mephisto · Jan 21, 2015

Man, its great to see the variety of gear offered by all these vendors. Many props to @DieHard for the Errlectric reviews/info. I have dialed mine down to 660 and the flavor is fantastic. I also want to give a huge thanks to the designers of the Errlectric for incorporating an auto shutoff feature in their device. I took 2 small attitude adjustment dabs and went off to work yesterday. About an hour into my morning, the hairs on my neck stood up as I realized I did not remember if I shut off the machine before leaving for the day. Before my paranoia forced me to drive the hour and a half back home to check, I remembered the Errlectric has the safety shutdown. Hope all you fellow 'nailers find a device that works well for your needs. I have definitely found mine.

BoogerMan · Jan 21, 2015

Silver420Surfer said:
Spoke with Darid over at Domeless, and he created a discount code just for FuckCombustion.

For 15% off on orders over $25 use: fc101

Thanks, Darid!!

Damn I just spent almost $200 on Domeless.com a week or so ago. The 15% off would have been nice. Thanks for getting this set up! It will be nice to use the discount for replacement parts

420time · Jan 21, 2015

which enail works better? the barrel style one or the flat coil one? from domeless.com. theres a review of the barrel style one and the guy states that he needs atleast 825 for the oil to even vaporize. Maybe its just that the guy got the 20mm barrel one instead of the 16mm one.

BoogerMan · Jan 21, 2015

420time said:
which enail works better? the barrel style one or the flat coil one? from domeless.com

Both work equally well.

The barrel one needs a little higher temp compared to the flat one. The flat one seems to work fine at 600 with the cap, but the barrel style one needs to be more between 650-700 with the cap. They both hit the same though as long as you are using the right temp for each one

If you will only be using the domeless.com nail then I say get a flat coil heater for your unit and the flat style domeless.com nail. It is just more effiecient by running at a lower temp (which should help the coil last longer from my understanding).

But if you want to buy a couple nails besides the domeless.com one then I say get the barrel style heater coil because there are more barrel style nails available compared to flag coil style nails.

420time · Jan 21, 2015

so how long do you leave on your gimido enail? ive read somewhere the coil last longer when turned on continuously instead of turning off and on multiple times a day.

seems like divine tribe has started to sell their own enail setups for $190 on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Divine-Trib...997?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a4af68f75

and some other enail that looks interesting on ebay. it has one of those knobs and looks like the variable voltage mods that was made for the HI or the enano.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Newest-Desi...266?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20f4ec2d4a

what kind of reclaimers should be used with an enail set up? i was thinking either these two or someone could recommend something better.

http://www.ioffer.com/i/14mm-female-90-oil-rig-water-pipe-bong-reclaimer-580624418

http://www.ioffer.com/i/90-bio-14mm-reclaimer-drip-set-oil-rig-water-pipe-bong-567438251

BoogerMan · Jan 21, 2015

420time said:
so how long do you leave on your gimido enail? ive read somewhere the coil last longer when turned on continuously instead of turning off and on multiple times a day.

seems like divine tribe has started to sell their own enail setups for $190 on ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Divine-Trib...997?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a4af68f75

and some other enail that looks interesting on ebay. it has one of those knobs and looks like the variable voltage mods that was made for the HI or the enano.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Newest-Desi...266?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20f4ec2d4a

I leave on my gimido enail for about 10-15 minutes per day. I only use it after work so it is usually only on that one time. I take a couple dabs off of it over that 10-15 minutes and then I shut it off completely. Then I vape some flower before bed

But if I have a friend over then I would say it's on for about 20-30 minutes while we take a few dabs. If I know we won't be using it again I shut it off completely. If I think we will use it again then I push the button that stops power to the coil but leaves the PID on. The coil seems to heat up faster when I push the button back in to give the coil power compared to having the unit completely off and turning it back on.

I am not sure if the coil lasts longer being left on for a while or being shut off and turned back on multiple times.

I see a coil as having a certain number of hours of use (like most items that use power). So whether that time is used from being left on or used from being heated up multiple times, I personally don't think it will make a significant difference. Then again I'm a noob to e-nails so don't quote me on any of this lol.

Maybe someone make experienced can jump in and answer or maybe there is even an engineer on FC that could enlighten us

420time · Jan 21, 2015

so the way yours work is when you press the button it heats, and the switch in the back is just to turn the unit on? also some input of a reclaimer would be appreciated.

BoogerMan · Jan 21, 2015

420time said:
so the way yours work is when you press the button it heats, and the switch in the back is just to turn the unit on? also some input of a reclaimer would be appreciated.

Yeah exactly. The toggle switch on the back turns the PID on and off. The button on the front turns the coil on and off (when it is pushed in the coil gets power and heats up and when it is pushed out the coil does not get power and cools down).

I just use drop down adapters as my reclaim catcher. It seems like most of the reclaim gets stuck in the drop down adapter and not in my rig which makes my rigs much easier to clean. And getting the reclaim out of the drop down is much easier than trying to get it out of the rig if you are looking to save the reclaim.

canj00digit? · Jan 22, 2015

I just got a nice 1.2g glop of reclaim out of my dropdown.

Monsoon · Jan 22, 2015

BoogerMan said:
Yeah exactly. The toggle switch on the back turns the PID on and off. The button on the front turns the coil on and off (when it is pushed in the coil gets power and heats up and when it is pushed out the coil does not get power and cools down).

So if the coil is on and you unplug the AC and then plug it back in, the coil is goes back on without intervention right? Just trying to figure out if it will work with a Belkin Wemo outlet so I can control and automate it from my smartphone.

For drop-down reclaim collectors, New-Vape has an interesting stainless steel dropdown with a built in reclaim collector that will "fit into the New-Vape Butane Pen" which doesn't appear to exist yet. The catch is that it only works with their e-nails which is a minimum $76 extra so around $150 for the whole kit. Actually not too bad if you need both and want to go the American Titanium route.

For removing the catcher, I'm thinking the best way would be to do it when the piece is still hot/warm and use silicone finger tips to remove them. Greasing the joint or thread with coconut out can help but you wouldn't want it to mix with the reclaim unless you're cooking with it. Personally, I find reclaim in the airpath to be really irritating on my throat and affects flavour so first sign of buildup it gets rinsed in ISO.

canj00digit? · Jan 22, 2015

Monsoon said:
So if the coil is on and you unplug the AC and then plug it back in, the coil is goes back on without intervention right? Just trying to figure out if it will work with a Belkin Wemo outlet so I can control and automate it from my smartphone.

Just tried it, yanked the power cord from the back, waited a few sec, plugged it back in and it started heating back up again (it had lost about 25 degrees).

Monsoon said:
Personally, I find reclaim in the airpath to be really irritating on my throat and affects flavour so first sign of buildup it gets rinsed in ISO.

I don't find it irritating but it definitely affects flavour and I would clean mine far more often if I was less lazy and if I didn't really enjoy the bit of reclaim I get.

420time · Jan 22, 2015

how would you guy clean the drop downs?

BoogerMan · Jan 22, 2015

Yeah New-vape has some cool enail accessories, including the dab tender (allows you to take the hot nail off your rig and put in on the stand). I think it's like $125 though which seems a bit expensive to me. I did talk to the owner though and they are making their enails to fit 20mm coils too so I'm stoked to get their huge 16 hole domeless nail.

I like to clean my drop down with 99% ISO and then I let it evaporate in a dish and use the reclaim to season my nails or to bake with or make shatter pills.

I used these grommets to plug the ends of the drop down and I just shake it with some ISO in there. Super easy to clean any adapter or rig using these grommets. They seem to fit every joint and every mouthpiece hole (except 18mm female joints. The larges grommet is just a tiny bit too small to plug 18mm female joints).

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=331115867206

So I messaged the seller and asked if I could buy just 2 of these larger ones they sale (it's a 10 pack but I explained I only needed 2) and he sent me 2 of them free

really nice seller.
Here are the larger ones that fit 18mm female joints.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=231197121258

Monsoon · Jan 22, 2015

canj00digit? said:
Just tried it, yanked the power cord from the back, waited a few sec, plugged it back in and it started heating back up again (it had lost about 25 degrees).

That's great news! IFTTT gives the Wemo Insight a lot of options that can be adapted to the e-nail to make it a bit smarter. I really hope we see some crafty people integrate RasberryPi or Arduino and fully take advantage of it. Like add a bluetooth/wifi adapter so you can control the e-nail directly using an app on your phone, adjust temps, program timers and advanced settings.

BoogerMan · Jan 22, 2015

Monsoon said:
That's great news! IFTTT gives the Wemo Insight a lot of options that can be adapted to the e-nail to make it a bit smarter. I really hope we see some crafty people integrate RasberryPi or Arduino and fully take advantage of it. Like add a bluetooth/wifi adapter so you can control the e-nail directly using an app on your phone, adjust temps, program timers and advanced settings.

This sounds freaking awesome :rockon:

Let us know how it works with the Wemo if you try it :clap:

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