Discontinued ThermoVape Revolution for concentrates

OF

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2clicker said:
does anyone know the type of ceramic used in the TV oil carts?

@OF ...?
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Yes, I do.

No, sorry, I can't tell you (I assume that's what comes next?). At least not past what they've told you (Zirconia in the body of Cera and reflectors in several carts). I assume you mean the porous parts? Sorry, covered by NDA. Like the coil metal.

Several others know as well, but I think they too have NDA obligations.

Not much use, anyway, you need a press and new contact and crimp ring along with a new heater to put it back together. Once you crack it, you're committed with Revolution/DART. For that matter just getting it open is no easy task (they used a collet vice to hold the main body, thread an adapter onto the threads then used a custom shaped lever to pry the base out).

IMO it's not at all practical from several sides.

I do wonder what the legality of setting up a service shop is? I don't need a license from Audi to fix their cars...... You couldn't make and sell new vapes I'd think, but repair of an existing one should be legit???? I only have to use Audi parts if I want to hang their certification on my shop walls......seems to me I can buy ceramic and wire and make metal parts as needed to repair your Revolution/DART?

Hypothetically, of course, I have no interest of running such a service personally. Something like that could really get in the way....... But I'm thinking somebody could.....

Be in interesting case, I think. Where are the lines? Many years ago rich folks started moving into the Santa Cruz mountains near by......and who can blame them? So then they changed the zoning code so the common people couldn't move in (don't they always?), no new building permits. But you could repair and expand an old cabin, tool shed, outhouse, or what have you. Then you tear down the old part in the next upgrade. The joke was 'you save a convenient knot hole and build a house around it'. Could 'we' take (say) an existing Cera body and replace the broken (or missing) cart????

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OF said:
Yes, I do.

No, sorry, I can't tell you (I assume that's what comes next?). At least not past what they've told you (Zirconia in the body of Cera and reflectors in several carts). I assume you mean the porous parts? Sorry, covered by NDA. Like the coil metal.

Several others know as well, but I think they too have NDA obligations.

Not much use, anyway, you need a press and new contact and crimp ring along with a new heater to put it back together. Once you crack it, you're committed with Revolution/DART. For that matter just getting it open is no easy task (they used a collet vice to hold the main body, thread an adapter onto the threads then used a custom shaped lever to pry the base out).

IMO it's not at all practical from several sides.

I do wonder what the legality of setting up a service shop is? I don't need a license from Audi to fix their cars...... You couldn't make and sell new vapes I'd think, but repair of an existing one should be legit???? I only have to use Audi parts if I want to hang their certification on my shop walls......seems to me I can buy ceramic and wire and make metal parts as needed to repair your Revolution/DART?

Hypothetically, of course, I have no interest of running such a service personally. Something like that could really get in the way....... But I'm thinking somebody could.....

Be in interesting case, I think. Where are the lines? Many years ago rich folks started moving into the Santa Cruz mountains near by......and who can blame them? So then they changed the zoning code so the common people couldn't move in (don't they always?), no new building permits. But you could repair and expand an old cabin, tool shed, outhouse, or what have you. Then you tear down the old part in the next upgrade. The joke was 'you save a convenient knot hole and build a house around it'. Could 'we' take (say) an existing Cera body and replace the broken (or missing) cart????

OF
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I'd like to know that too, OF. My Cera and Revolution are running great ATM, but someday they will need maintenance. I'll be curious if you find out anything or find anyone pursuing this. Maybe one or two of the technicians. They seemed like great guys from what I could tell during my visits.
 
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OF said:
Yes, I do.

No, sorry, I can't tell you (I assume that's what comes next?). At least not past what they've told you (Zirconia in the body of Cera and reflectors in several carts). I assume you mean the porous parts? Sorry, covered by NDA. Like the coil metal.

Several others know as well, but I think they too have NDA obligations.

Not much use, anyway, you need a press and new contact and crimp ring along with a new heater to put it back together. Once you crack it, you're committed with Revolution/DART. For that matter just getting it open is no easy task (they used a collet vice to hold the main body, thread an adapter onto the threads then used a custom shaped lever to pry the base out).

IMO it's not at all practical from several sides.

I do wonder what the legality of setting up a service shop is? I don't need a license from Audi to fix their cars...... You couldn't make and sell new vapes I'd think, but repair of an existing one should be legit???? I only have to use Audi parts if I want to hang their certification on my shop walls......seems to me I can buy ceramic and wire and make metal parts as needed to repair your Revolution/DART?

Hypothetically, of course, I have no interest of running such a service personally. Something like that could really get in the way....... But I'm thinking somebody could.....

Be in interesting case, I think. Where are the lines? Many years ago rich folks started moving into the Santa Cruz mountains near by......and who can blame them? So then they changed the zoning code so the common people couldn't move in (don't they always?), no new building permits. But you could repair and expand an old cabin, tool shed, outhouse, or what have you. Then you tear down the old part in the next upgrade. The joke was 'you save a convenient knot hole and build a house around it'. Could 'we' take (say) an existing Cera body and replace the broken (or missing) cart????

OF
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yep looking for the porous wick parts. not looking to repair. curious for health reasons. i trusted TV, but would like the peace of mind in knowing.

also i would like to buy some of it and machine it for different things.

why still obligated to TV? they are done no...?

i will find out either way. having a fellow forum member tell me makes it easier. it could only be one of about 5 or 6 options i would think. and its white color should narrow that down.

honestly indont see how keeping this information to yourself helps TV in any way, but i respect your stance.

anyone else know?
 
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jpdnkstr said:
I have used my Dart's, AVA's without the dart loader for a long time, I have no issues whatsoever, and prefer them this way! I use a standard delrin mouthpiece, or the ones that Thermovape used to sell.
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Thanks for your reply. I guess it was just the Cera oil cart that had issues with splattering up into the short mouthpiece.

@2clicker, I think you'll find that the NDA obligations still stand as long as someone has a financial stake in the fragments of TET.
 
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2clicker said:
yep looking for the porous wick parts. not looking to repair.

also i would like to buy some of it and machine it for different things.

why still obligated to TV? they are done no...?
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I figured that's what you wanted. The rambling about repair/replacement just came to mind in the process. Sorry to confuse.

You can't machine it. It would shatter unless you embedded in something then used diamond grit to cut it? Machinable ceramics are solid enough to stand up to tool pressure and are machined 'green' (partially fired') where they're dry, baked clay basically. There are several high tech 'machinable ceramics' out there, none I know of porous. Such parts are molded from 'frozen foam' as I understand. That is molded as foam and very quickly dried in place before the foam relaxes. Once 'hard fired' (and cross linked) it's seriously hard and very brittle. There are some woven ceramics that might work? There's also at least one different technique for making it, molding with a filler (like say sawdust?) mixed in the slip that can cleanly burn away in the kiln leaving voids. That's not what we have here, but it should work?

Principle. I agreed to hold it confidential.

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@2clicker, I think you'll find that the NDA obligations still stand as long as someone has a financial stake in the fragments of TET.
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Exactly so. Such agreements have value, and now have a new owner who might also value them. Might not. If I really wanted to say consult with a new vape company I'd have to get a release from the current owner I think. It's a real contract, I got confirmation of my suspicions and other useful information in exchange. It's therefore enforceable to the successors?

That not withstanding a guy should keep his word I think. Hey, I guessed it (or most of it) anyone else can too. Or analyze the materials and reverse engineer. Nothing magic, just smart.

OF
 
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OF said:
I figured that's what you wanted. The rambling about repair/replacement just came to mind in the process. Sorry to confuse.

You can't machine it. It would shatter unless you embedded in something then used diamond grit to cut it? Machinable ceramics are solid enough to stand up to tool pressure and are machined 'green' (partially fired') where they're dry, baked clay basically. There are several high tech 'machinable ceramics' out there, none I know of porous. Such parts are molded from 'frozen foam' as I understand. That is molded as foam and very quickly dried in place before the foam relaxes. Once 'hard fired' (and cross linked) it's seriously hard and very brittle. There are some woven ceramics that might work? There's also at least one different technique for making it, molding with a filler (like say sawdust?) mixed in the slip that can cleanly burn away in the kiln leaving voids. That's not what we have here, but it should work?

Principle. I agreed to hold it confidential.



Exactly so. Such agreements have value, and now have a new owner who might also value them. Might not. If I really wanted to say consult with a new vape company I'd have to get a release from the current owner I think. It's a real contract, I got confirmation of my suspicions and other useful information in exchange. It's therefore enforceable to the successors?

That not withstanding a guy should keep his word I think. Hey, I guessed it (or most of it) anyone else can too. Or analyze the materials and reverse engineer. Nothing magic, just smart.

OF
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thanks for the reply OF. makes total sense. i have though found types of "advanced ceramic" that is rigid, porous, and machinable however. i assumed one of these is what TV was using. obviously not.

the stuff i have found im sure is safe, but i dont want to assume. the stuff i have found is used for filtration and comes in many microns, shapes, and sizes. supposed to be inert up to higher temps that are needed for our use.

thanks again!
 
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darkrom

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OF said:
Yes, I do.

No, sorry, I can't tell you (I assume that's what comes next?). At least not past what they've told you (Zirconia in the body of Cera and reflectors in several carts). I assume you mean the porous parts? Sorry, covered by NDA. Like the coil metal.

Several others know as well, but I think they too have NDA obligations.

Not much use, anyway, you need a press and new contact and crimp ring along with a new heater to put it back together. Once you crack it, you're committed with Revolution/DART. For that matter just getting it open is no easy task (they used a collet vice to hold the main body, thread an adapter onto the threads then used a custom shaped lever to pry the base out).

IMO it's not at all practical from several sides.

I do wonder what the legality of setting up a service shop is? I don't need a license from Audi to fix their cars...... You couldn't make and sell new vapes I'd think, but repair of an existing one should be legit???? I only have to use Audi parts if I want to hang their certification on my shop walls......seems to me I can buy ceramic and wire and make metal parts as needed to repair your Revolution/DART?

Hypothetically, of course, I have no interest of running such a service personally. Something like that could really get in the way....... But I'm thinking somebody could.....

Be in interesting case, I think. Where are the lines? Many years ago rich folks started moving into the Santa Cruz mountains near by......and who can blame them? So then they changed the zoning code so the common people couldn't move in (don't they always?), no new building permits. But you could repair and expand an old cabin, tool shed, outhouse, or what have you. Then you tear down the old part in the next upgrade. The joke was 'you save a convenient knot hole and build a house around it'. Could 'we' take (say) an existing Cera body and replace the broken (or missing) cart????

OF
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Well... Dave the owner of Underdog vapes has fixed at least purple days vapes, if not other brand logs as well. I don't hear anyone upset about it hah :)
 
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I ended up picking up a hana modz one dna 40 new for $10.00 on eBay. I didn't want sink money into buying more rcr123 batteries.

So far it's working great. Box mod is ok for the money came with case couple retractable usb cables. Going try the 30 watt evolution on it...once figure out where it's at.
 
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OF

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darkrom said:
Well... Dave the owner of Underdog vapes has fixed at least purple days vapes, if not other brand logs as well. I don't hear anyone upset about it hah :)
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Thanks for that. But I feel duty bound by the NDA with Thermovape. No details from me on the confidential stuff.

Not only do I feel 'honor bound' to keep my side of the deal (stay quiet) but their IP was bought by RJ Reynolds (the tobacco people) who now own it and have a BUNCH of nasty lawyers on standby. Way more than I have. I suspect Pam and Tom don't care since there was never anything really confidential to start with and they are hopefully on to better things. Or was it 'Peg'? PD didn't really have any IP worth pirating?

Each guy gets to make his own call, I guess, but I choose to stand by the agreements I've made. Sorry, but you'll have to get the information elsewhere (and no, I won't confirm/deny it.....).

OF
 
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