Saliva testing

skippy

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Has anyone here been Saliva tested ? In Australia most states have road side saliva testing now and the information about how long it can be detected is all over the place. I have read a government web site that states MJ can not be detected in a saliva test after 5 hours yet I've read other sites that say it's 12 hours up to 48 hours.
Has anyone been tested after consuming? How long was it and did you pass.
Anyone got any tips on how to pass a roadside saliva test, and does anyone know if vaping MJ shows up the same as smoking It in a saliva test.
 
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randybishop

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You can test yourself and answer your own questions more accurately..buy a Saliva test on eBay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Saliva-Drug...-for-5-Drugs-includes-MARIJUANA-/361172010269
 
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HellsWindStaff

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Had to take a Saliva test a few years back for a job, smoked the night prior and had an interview the next day, was under the impression I wouldn't be offered the job right away. Was offered the job, I had about 12 hrs since smoking at that point. Freaked out, told the lady administering the test that I would have to come back tomorrow, as I had more stuff to fill out after the test that would have taken me a few hours. Just said I didn't realize it would be taking this long lol.

Didn't smoke. Had to come back REAL early the next morning at like 8 a.m. sharp to finish my interview. Was super paranoid, brushed my teeth a lot before going in, had some mouthwash I used before walking in the building as well.

Passed it no problems. Was 36 hours at that point no smoking, and I was clear as can be. So its not that long. I figure I actually could have passed the first test, but I was young and naive and unfamiliar with how it worked.
 

Magic9

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^^ Same deal. I went for an interview and was offered a job on the spot. Took the saliva test right then and there, and it came back negative. I don't remember how long, but I had smoked the night before (pre vapor days).

If you use a mouthwash or gum, make sure it is alcohol free.
 

Agent_Age

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I get tested at work, same saliva kits the qld police use. I can pass a test after a 8 hour break. Have heard of people passing them with as little as 5 hours but I don't like to chance my job on it.

I think they are pretty unreliable for thc, harder drugs on the other hand show up upto 72 hours after.
 

Magic9

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I think they are pretty unreliable for thc, harder drugs on the other hand show up upto 72 hours after.

I'd say they are plenty reliable for ACTIVE thc. I'm hoping this is how they will do sobriety tests for drivers, and workplace incidents when the time comes. Far better than testing for inactive metabolites.
 
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skippy

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I live near Nimbin so the cops around here love to test and I've read of cases where someone has tested positive to a saliva test 48 hours after use. Now I don't know if that is true or the person tested was trying to play down their use age but if it's true it means you're playing Russian roulette every time you drive.
 

Agent_Age

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I'd say that is false but everyones different. A co worker had a swab test last night ans she had a smoke at 2.00pm and passed at 7:00pm.

I've had countless swabs after smoking the night before and pass with a 8 hour break.
Just my personal experience and co workers experiences though.
 
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skippy

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I'd say that is false but everyones different. A co worker had a swab test last night ans she had a smoke at 2.00pm and passed at 7:00pm.

I've had countless swabs after smoking the night before and pass with a 8 hour break.
Just my personal experience and co workers experiences though.
Ok that sounds reasonable. In Australia it's illegal to drive with it in your system so there is no limit like there is with alcohol but if it didn't pick it up after eight hours at least you know your limits. Does anyone have any idea if it stays in your saliva longer or shorter from vaping than smoking ? I also suppose the amount you consume makes a difference?
 
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ean

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my grandfather gave me a saliva test after school one day, i smoked before school and i passed. I find that they are pieces of shit.
 
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lemmeadem

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Sorry for the long-dead thread revive but a man in NSW had this shit to deal with...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-...days-after-smoking-cannabis-acquitted/7133628

He was caught NINE DAYS later by roadside drug testing and the police recommended waiting SEVEN DAYS before driving after smoking. How the fuck is a stoner supposed to be productive when that shit is going on?!

Not only that but since his acquittal, Queensland police (and some other states) have changed their policy to zero tolerance - if you show up positive on the test, even if you've been clean for days, no matter what concentration you're going down.

Can we get some sort of petition going to stop this type of Draconian policy? It almost exclusively targets the medical marijuana community in Australia and they're already vilified enough.
 

farscaper

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Just got up after a vapcap nap and it took a little while to notice this threads about saliva testing not salvia testing... I was like.. what? That actually test for salvia now?
:rofl:

Implied consent. ....

By applying for and receiving a driver’s license, you are presumed to have agreed to take one of these tests if asked to under the appropriate circumstances—thus the term “implied consent.” If you refused to take the test, you will be subject to a number of penalties, which vary from state to state.

Ah the law makes me want to own a horse more and more.... maybe a underpowered scooter to scrape under licensing laws!

Sir could you please step down off that horse?
 

biohacker

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Saliva tests are in 'testing' now due to the imminent legalization of cannabis in Canada! Good thread!
 
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JCat

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Just got up after a vapcap nap and it took a little while to notice this threads about saliva testing not salvia testing... I was like.. what? That actually test for salvia now?
:rofl:

Implied consent. ....

By applying for and receiving a driver’s license, you are presumed to have agreed to take one of these tests if asked to under the appropriate circumstances—thus the term “implied consent.” If you refused to take the test, you will be subject to a number of penalties, which vary from state to state.

Ah the law makes me want to own a horse more and more.... maybe a underpowered scooter to scrape under licensing laws!

Sir could you please step down off that horse?
I'm sure they would argue it's horsepower and since the horse is fed using feed that is harvested using machinery that requires fuel, the horse thus runs on fuel and thus you can be charged.

Seems like a reasonable interpretation to me and obviously the intended one!
 

nomadicsoul34

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Looking at scientific research carried out a few years ago it reads that amongst 10 patients* tested with 25mg of thc ( 0.1g of strong 25% thc bud ) all 10 tested below the 5ng threshold after 24 hours but 2 would have failed the test after 16 hours.

So in short if you smoke more that 0.1 grams you may not be safe to drive within 24hours. Safe from having to do a blood test back at station that is.


http://www.orasure.com/docs/pdfs/pr...uana-Use-by-Oral-Fluid-and-Urine-Analysis.pdf *Numbers in the saliva test chart are diluted numbers so remember to multiply by 3 to get the true figure of ng in saliva that would be detected by police.



Seeing as prosecution would be achieved using a blood test ive done some research on that too and here is a snap shot of my findings. Remember that 2ng in blood is the legal limit for Driving with drugs in the system in the UK and blood and saliva will not correspond.

I hope this is useful in helping you guys keep your licences , this is just for information purposes only and i havent double checked this info . im not a doctor or a lawyer and i take no responsibility for your choices re driving after using cannabis..


Blood test



Blood-based drug tests screen for a wide variety of illicit substances and have short detection windows for most, meaning they're typically used to establish very recent drug use. THC can be undetectable by blood test as soon as six hours after it enters your system — even though it's still there in trace amounts — and heavy smokers may test positive for up to 24 hours.
https://mic.com/articles/168783/how-long-does-marijuana-stay-in-your-system-how-thc-blood-tests-work-and-what-you-should-know#.NnFtwl4GK






Delta-9-THC concentration usually drops below 5 ng/mL within 3-4 hours post dose. Frequent users may have longer detection times. (2ng is the uk limit)
http://www.drugdetection.net/drug.htm



While patients seem to control their individual doses by varying how deeply they inhale, the average amount of THC in the blood dropped to 60% of the peak at 15 min after the last inhale and to 20% at 30 min. By the 2 hour mark, THC levels were below 5 ng/ml.


It took between 3 to 12 hours for THC to drop below detection limits (0.5 ng/ml) for the low-dose group and from 6 to 27 hours for the high-dose group of the study. However, the subjects of the study were not regular marijuana smokers, which explains why THC levels fell so quickly.
http://www.truthonpot.com/2013/03/28/how-long-does-marijuana-stay-in-your-system/




The highest THC blood concentrations — around 38 micrograms per liter — were seen just 10 minutes after smoking. But after half an hour, concentrations had decreased to about 10 micrograms per liter, on average, and by 1.4 hours, levels had decreased to about 4 micrograms per liter.
http://www.livescience.com/53578-marijuana-driving-thc-blood-test.html




Blood tests, unlike urinalysis, detect the presence illicit drugs, not inactive drug metabolites. In general, THC only remains detectable in the blood of cannabis consumers for a few hours (though low, residual levels may be detected in chronic smokers for up to 12-24+ hours if more sensitive technology is used). Because of this narrow detection window, blood tests are typically only administered in the workplace post-accident in order to estimate recent cannabis consumption. Therefore, most after-hours consumers have little to fear from a blood screen.
http://norml.org/marijuana/drug-testing/item/the-abcs-of-marijuana-and-drug-testing



it won’t stay in your blood stream long: it actually becomes undetectable by blood tests after no more than four to eight hours. In urine tests, it will be detectable for an even shorter time.
http://greenito.com/news/how-long-thc-detectable-blood/




That means a lab test would only find a trace amount of THC in the blood of occasional smokers after a few hours. "You could have smoked a good amount, just waited two hours, still be pretty intoxicated and yet pass the drug test [for driving]," says Haney. *** i have no idea what the limit is for the drug driving test he refer to here it maye not be the case wherever you are.


And if you eat the weed instead of smoking it, Haney says, your blood never carries that much THC. "With oral THC, it takes several hours for [blood THC] to peak, but it remains very low compared to the smoked route, even though they're very high. It's a hundredfold difference," she says.http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/02/09/466147956/why-its-so-hard-to-make-a-solid-test-for-driving-while-stoned
 
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