Custom Glass Ideas/Designs Thread

Stu said:

The inherent problem with this thread seems to me to be trying to serve two separate functions.

A. The OP @EverythingsHazy is seeking collaborative forum advice on concept pieces that he would like to then take to Chinese blowers as proposed new products.

B. Members fear that having too many cooks in the kitchen will mess up the relationship that @blankrider has already made with Steven, but are also actively proposing ideas for new pieces that a consensus of people would like to see made.

I think the only reasonable way to deal with this conflict is to have a separate thread for each person that wants to work with an overseas glassblower. So basically if @blankrider would like forum advice on new glass ideas for him to bring to Steven (or any other blower for that matter), a dedicated thread would be a better way to go. That way any posts in this thread are to share ideas, designs and criticisms to proposals that @EverythingsHazy is working toward.

We cannot prevent members from contacting Chinese vendors. Members have the right to do whatever the fuck they want in this world. However forum members can vote with their mouses (mice?) as to which thread they choose to support.

So @blankrider you are welcome to start a thread for glass concepts for your dealings with Steven, but it's entirely up to you if you want to or not. I hope that you do.

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Thank you for your insight. I whole-heartedly agree, and was in fact thinking about starting a separate thread the other day for the exact same reason. I was hoping to try to work things out here first though, as I feel we've got a good thing established as a community on this thread and I'd like to keep building on it if at all possible.

The time, however, might have come to split this thread up a bit. If @blankrider doesn't want to do it, I will happily start a new thread, as long as in doing so I'll have the support of all those here with whom I've so enjoyed working recently.

If we do go forward with a new thread, I would recommend we call it something like "Open-Source glass," and that we lay down a few simple guidelines from the beginning to ensure that everyone's voice and opinion get's fair representation.

So who would be interested in a new thread? Do people feel that this move would be beneficial to what we are trying to accomplish here? Thoughts?


EDIT: @Stu I was just thinking about the idea of multiple threads for each glassblower we have contact with. The only problem with that currently is that we only have contact with one, and there seems to be some dispute over this "territory." In the long run I think that would be ideal but, until more contacts are made overseas, I suggest we focus mostly on ensuring equal input into new designs by all participating members, so that we can utilize our one contact most effectively. Either here or in a new thread, whatever the group decides to be the best course of action.

Erwin said:

Thank you for your insight. I whole-heartedly agree, and was in fact thinking about starting a separate thread the other day for the exact same reason. I was hoping to try to work things out here first though, as I feel we've got a good thing established as a community on this thread and I'd like to keep building on it if at all possible.

The time, however, might have come to split this thread up a bit. If @blankrider doesn't want to do it, I will happily start a new thread, as long as in doing so I'll have the support of all those here with whom I've so enjoyed working recently.

If we do go forward with a new thread, I would recommend we call it something like "Open-Source glass," and that we lay down a few simple guidelines from the beginning to ensure that everyone's voice and opinion get's fair representation.

So who would be interested in a new thread? Do people feel that this move would be beneficial to what we are trying to accomplish here? Thoughts?

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I'm, and I swear I thought about what @Stu proposed but didn't think was going to fly with the mods, I'm glad he suggested just that.
So I'm making an appeal to @blankrider to start a new thread.

Once again... this thread's purpose is not to make counterfeit copies. If something happens to come out different and looks awesome, there is no need to shoot it down just because it HAS to look and work exactly like a several hundred dollar piece. If people want to clone existing pieces, I'm not going to but in and complain, but they can do that on their own. This thread is for people to post original ideas,and modifications to glass that exists currently. Not to select which pieces to copy.

Stu said:

I think the only reasonable way to deal with this conflict is to have a separate thread for each person that wants to work with an overseas glassblower. So basically if @blankrider would like forum advice on new glass ideas for him to bring to Steven (or any other blower for that matter), a dedicated thread would be a better way to go. That way any posts in this thread are to share ideas, designs and criticisms to proposals that @EverythingsHazy is working toward.

We cannot prevent members from contacting Chinese vendors. Members have the right to do whatever the fuck they want in this world. However forum members can vote with their mouses (mice?) as to which thread they choose to support.

So @blankrider you are welcome to start a thread for glass concepts for your dealings with Steven, but it's entirely up to you if you want to or not. I hope that you do.

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I agree, I think at this point separate threads for EH and blankrider is the best solution going forward. If this thread is going to be for EH's specific efforts, I think the title should be adjusted to make it clearer and maybe a small note in the OP.

Erwin said:

The time, however, might have come to split this thread up a bit. If @blankrider doesn't want to do it, I will happily start a new thread, as long as in doing so I'll have the support of all those here with whom I've so enjoyed working recently.

If we do go forward with a new thread, I would recommend we call it something like "Open-Source glass," and that we lay down a few simple guidelines from the beginning to ensure that everyone's voice and opinion get's fair representation.

So who would be interested in a new thread? Do people feel that this move would be beneficial to what we are trying to accomplish here? Thoughts?

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Might be a good idea as a third "general type" thread (in addition to specific ones for EH and blankrider) to bounce ideas around but at this point it might be a bit redundant if most people just use the other two threads.

Everyone can bounce ideas here. What everyone can't do, is incite a verbal riot every time something happens that isn't exactly what they wanted. If you don't like something and it doesn't end up your way, either get it done your way, or get over it. Many cool pieces will be coming out regardless.

blankrider said:

I feel as though there has been a lot of confusion created lately in this thread and this is my attempt to clear things up for people...

I'm working with @oli on an actual FC-186 if anyone is interested. It will not be straight neck. This is prototype number 1

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That looks like a nice design, but what is it actually gonna be?
The gb 186 was a knockoff of the 60b, so if this one isn't gonna have a straight neck, it it basically just gonna be Stevens version of the 60b (gb-186)?
(Stereo matrix with bubbler mouthpiece?)
Or is it gonna have something else unique?

@EverythingsHazy

blankrider said:

I feel as though there has been a lot of confusion created lately in this thread and this is my attempt to clear things up for people...

@EverythingsHazy ...the so called FC-186

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@EverythingsHazy for simplicity's sake, I don't think your one should be called the fc-186.

If we're gonna use model numbers instead of names, then the model number should actually mean something no?

Gb-187 was an ion clone.
Fc-187 is the exact same perc/can, just with a different mouthpiece.
They're clearly variants of each other and having the same model number makes sense to me.

The gb-186 is a stereo matrix clone.
The rig that @blankrider and @oli are designing at the moment appears that it will also be a stereo matrix clone, so IMO it should get the "-186" model number.

As awesome as the matrix pillar looks, it's not just "a stereo matrix with the top matrix replaced by a pillar section" (side note, is there any kind of quotation mark to indicate paraphrasing? The English language needs something like that )

Functionally it really has nothing to do with a stereo matrix, and it's realistically closer to the gb-187 than the gb-186...

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I'd still like to see something with an sg style natty splash neck.
Assuming it's at an angle (I've seen straight neck natty splash necks but I'm really not too keen on the ergonomics of straight neck items.), it's kind of a nice bridge between bent neck/angled straight neck, and it kinda reminds me of the angled/bubbler/sidecar-ish design @EverythingsHazy was after at one point.

Would anyone else want to see a natty splash neck show up on a rig or is it just me?

Monsoon said:

I agree, I think at this point separate threads for EH and blankrider is the best solution going forward. If this thread is going to be for EH's specific efforts, I think the title should be adjusted to make it clearer and maybe a small note in the OP.

Might be a good idea as a third "general type" thread (in addition to specific ones for EH and blankrider) to bounce ideas around but at this point it might be a bit redundant if most people just use the other two threads.

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I agree three threads would be too much. I was mostly suggesting the new thread be a more group-focused endeavor, instead of "blankrider's thread" in opposition to "EverythingsHazys thread." I think @blankrider should remain the primary point of contact for Steven, as he has done a great job so far and I feel he is fair and democratic when it comes to taking suggestions. I think the majority here agree. If we make contact with other glassblowers in the future we can figure that out then. For now, though, I just want us all to be somewhere where we can all be heard, play nice with each other, and actually get things accomplished.


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blankrider said:

In reality I'm working with @oli on an actual FC-186 if anyone is interested. It will not be straight neck. This is prototype number 1

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I have to ask, how is this design different from this one?

http://www.dhgate.com/product/whole...nior-glass/216237929.html#s13-14-1|4232875170


It seems a straight tube, as pictured above, would accomplish the same goal while providing a more universal mouthpiece, room to add ice if desired, and less of a chance of taking an accidental sip if the stereo matrix stacks too high. Is there something I'm missing?

Erwin said:

I agree three threads would be too much. I was mostly suggesting the new thread be a more group-focused endeavor, instead of "blankrider's thread" in opposition to "EverythingsHazys thread." I think @blankrider should remain the primary point of contact for Steven, as he has done a great job so far and I feel he is fair and democratic when it comes to taking suggestions. I think the majority here agree. If we make contact with other glassblowers in the future we can figure that out then. For now, though, I just want us all to be somewhere where we can all be heard, play nice with each other, and actually get things accomplished.


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I have to ask, how is this design different from this one?

http://www.dhgate.com/product/whole...nior-glass/216237929.html#s13-14-1|4232875170

It seems a straight tube, as pictured above, would accomplish the same goal while providing a more universal mouthpiece, room to add ice if desired, and less of a chance of taking an accidental sip if the stereo matrix stacks too high. Is there something I'm missing?

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The one pictured is more true to the original Mobius style for the 60t, and in that part you quoted @blankrider says "it will not be straight neck"

Frederick McGuire said:

The one pictured is more true to the original Mobius style for the 60t, and in that part you quoted @blankrider says "it will not be straight neck"

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I understand that. I was just wanting to know if there was a functional advantage to the new design over this one, or if it was an aesthetic decision.

Erwin said:

I was just thinking about the idea of multiple threads for each glassblower we have contact with. The only problem with that currently is that we only have contact with one, and there seems to be some dispute over this "territory." In the long run I think that would be ideal but, until more contacts are made overseas, I suggest we focus mostly on ensuring equal input into new designs by all participating members, so that we can utilize our one contact most effectively. Either here or in a new thread, whatever the group decides to be the best course of action.

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While I understand the concerns you bring up, only the glassblower can decide on who he wishes to communicate with. For all we know, Steven would love to get suggestions from as many people as possible. He can decide for himself how much he wants to deal with the likes of FC members. I certainly can't tell someone they are prohibited from contacting a certain vendor. We live in a free society after all.

At least with dedicated threads we know who will be hitting the 'send' button and limit potential cross-talk that becomes confusing and/or frustrating for the blower to deal with.

what we really need is a person that speaks Cantonese(?) and English to do the communication
or just have conversation with steven or whoever be more open to the forum. If blankrider, everythingshazy or whoever could simply update us on their communcation with dhgate sellers, that be great. Like let us know you that you talked to steven about the fc-123 and that he said he can make this easily, but this and that will prbly cost more and that a certain part of a design is too hard too make. Otherwise we all just have to guess more than we should

Actually, just copy pasta us what they say back. That way there will be no bias added. Ofc you should inform the sellers that you will share their messages with the forum


Furthermore there should be guidelines set for the design process. I mean right now it starts with: "Look this piece looks cool" and before you know it we have a design that gets send to the seller and everyone fights about what's wrong with it. Instead it should be treated like a lose/rough idea for a longer time so that more people get to submit their input. This input needs to be well articulated, better than the shit Im typing here. Then you gather all the input an prbly get like 1-5 options at 1-5 points on the piece. E.g. 3 options for a mouthpiece, 2 options for the base, 5 options on the perc. Create a survey with photoshopped examples of the different options. Have the admins advertise the survey with a notification on the front page, thereby get at least 50 voters. And then have a second simple yes or no vote on if people would buy the piece that came out in the end. Again pushed to the front page.

P.S.: if this made no sense to you, ask me to clarify

New thread is born. Please do not post in it @EverythingsHazy. This will be my last post in your thread
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/open-source-glass-thread.16915/

hd_rider said:

Oh, man, this makes me so excited to see others chiming in and helping with conceptual images want one of these so bad, actually more than one. I sure hope this comes to fruition.

I love this perc. What do you folks thinks of this one for the hookah-desktop bubbler concept?

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Wow! This thread is flying! Three pages back! Anyway Heres a vid I shot this morning with my capsule perc. (Nested Showerhead). Not too pretty. A bit blurry in parts like me in the morning. I think the water level and action from the perc are evident. Maybe with a larger can or splash guard. But it seems the outer can is useless when hitting it.
Edit: after watching again, I see all of the water goes up the innermost nested perc. Rendering the outer one useless. If you try to put more water it goes out the joint.

DieHard said:

Wow! This thread is flying! Three pages back! Anyway Heres a vid I shot this morning with my capsule perc. (Nested Showerhead). Not too pretty. A bit blurry in parts like me in the morning. I think the water level and action from the perc are evident. Maybe with a larger can or splash guard. But it seems the outer can is useless when hitting it.
Edit: after watching again, I see all of the water goes up the innermost nested perc. Rendering the outer one useless. If you try to put more water it goes out the joint.

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Well, based on that vid it seems like nesting percs is a bit of an unneeded cost increase?

Either just have the fat showercap and let it be a little chamber for diffusion,
Or go straight with the small showercap and let it stack/climb up like crazy.

I guess this thread will be for original ideas and the other one for knocking off already made stuff. Hope that mini pillar gets the little glass ring everyone was crying over, because the finished design looks like a four arm tiny version of the fc-186.


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Now, back on track.

Modnote: Unnecessary drama redacted.

EverythingsHazy said:

I guess this thread will be for original ideas and the other one for knocking off already made stuff.

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hmmm...I thought the choice on the matrix perc was due to the availability...and that producing something like this would be...perhaps...not realistic...IMO this is still knocking off a pillar.

Dangus said:

hmmm...I thought the choice on the matrix perc was due to the availability...and that producing something like this would be...perhaps...not realistic...IMO this is still knocking off a pillar.

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Nah, it was because the matrix perc is awesome and it's was half the gb-186 half the pillar piece. That's why it's the fc-186. It's a hybrid piece.

Only other reason for a new thread would be that in that one, everything goes through one person, whereas here, anyone can do whatever they want.

EverythingsHazy said:

Hope that mini pillar gets the little glass ring everyone was crying over

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I thought this thread was made to discuss "concepts". To share ideas and talk about how and why they work?

I haven't seen anybody "cry" over the missing ring, just suggesting it serves a vital function on how the Pillars deliver the flavor they do.

Tweak said:

I thought this thread was made to discuss "concepts". To share ideas and talk about how and why they work?

I haven't seen anybody "cry" over the missing ring, just suggesting it serves a vital function on how the Pillars deliver the flavor they do.

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It is. And mentioning it and discussing it is fine. But everyone was ecstatic about the fc-186 until a few people found one thing to derail the thread with again, and make it into a political issue vs a useful one about function.

blankrider said:

Hopefully this screenshot will help clear things up.

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The only thing that clears up, is that someone needs all the credit again, and is willing to sabotage other people's work/projects that would benefit the entire community, in order to get that credit. "I ill only hear from you" lmao what a joke must've been the message to elicit that response from steven. AND, that the whole "communication" part of getting these made, is nothing more than a simple dhgate message, as Ive said all along.
Unlike some people, I want his business to succeed as well, even if it means I don't get credit for everyone's work.


How anyone is less than super excited for such an awesome piece to come out (the fc-186), is beyond me.

DieHard said:

So... I guess this belongs here now?
FC-187 is finally in my state! I hope it survives its looong journey!

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Nope, it sill belongs here.

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Moving on...

If anyone has any discussion or custom designs to post, feel free.

Here is a re-post ofthe water test for the FC-186 full sized pillar, to help get back on track.

I feel like a lot of pieces I've seen with those triple nested showerheads usually have another perc above them to splash guard. Like really tall combustion pieces. They look rad but I can't say I'd see one in the simpler pieces I see people tend to vape with.

VJJJV said:

what we really need is a person that speaks Cantonese(?) and English to do the communication
or just have conversation with steven or whoever be more open to the forum. If blankrider, everythingshazy or whoever could simply update us on their communcation with dhgate sellers, that be great. Like let us know you that you talked to steven about the fc-123 and that he said he can make this easily, but this and that will prbly cost more and that a certain part of a design is too hard too make. Otherwise we all just have to guess more than we should

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I don't speak Cantonese lmao, but I've been trying to relay what Steven's been responding or asking me, to this thread as accurately and quickly as possible, to help the project move along. I've also been posting here what I've told him, so people don't have to keep worrying about the same thing once he has already been notified.

I will follow both threads. I will ignore any and all snarky comments. They really don't help. I love the idea of these 2 threads. I tried unsuccessfully to make the 187 sidecar happen with @yimgmin5, but it never happened. I also started to work with seller maarte, but I stopped because on maarte.com they are selling their copies as the real thing. They even claimed to be OEM manufacturer for mobius for 7 years on the home page of their DHgate site.

DieHard said:

I will follow both threads. I will ignore any and all snarky comments. They really don't help. I love the idea of these 2 threads. I tried unsuccessfully to make the 187 sidecar happen with @yimgmin5, but it never happened. I also started to work with seller maarte, but I stopped because on maarte.com they are selling their copies as the real thing. They even claimed to be OEM manufacturer for mobius for 7 years on the home page of their DHgate site.

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That's a shame, because yingmin5 has some of the best shipping out there.

DieHard said:

I tried unsuccessfully to make the 187 sidecar happen with @yimgmin5, but it never happened. I also started to work with seller maarte, but I stopped because on maarte.com they are selling their copies as the real thing. They even claimed to be OEM manufacturer for mobius for 7 years on the home page of their DHgate site.

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I remember talk of Yimgmin's sidecar. I'd still like to see a GB-187 sidecar, I'd own one. Would be even cooler if it where an inch or so taller.

What was the problem with yingmin5 making the custom piece? Did he just not want to?