The Fluoride thing

hanfhead

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When I started growing I got a reverse osmosis filter. I then switched to using only RO water in my bubblers and bongs. No more hard water stains on the glass. And most importantly my whole family has a ton of rubbermaid water bottles, and we have been filling those for years. RO filters also remove trace pharmaceuticals that are not filtered out by city treatment plants. I was actually concerned about removing the fluoride.

That said, we all use fluoride toothpaste and mothwash because I do believe it has benefits. I just don't think my family should drink it every time they hydrate.
 
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basement farmer

My face is melting...
:worms: Not necessarily...

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My teeth look like this. My mom fed me those little flouride tablets the dentists used to encourage back in the 70's. So I guess I'm an exposure victim. Funny thing is I feel comletely healthy...twitch, twitch.

Anectdotally, I've had zero toothe decay in my 48 years of existance. And I still have all of my teeth minus the four wisdoms that were extracted.

I've seen smokers whose teeth look like indian corn, so a little whitish mottling is nothing as far as I'm concerned.

Everything I've read has said the only 'symptom' is cosmetic/ aesthetic. So it's a bit like ugly...it might not help get you laid, but you won't die from it.
 
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clukx

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what else is fluoride in besides tap water? the bottled water im currently drinking doesn't say it has fluoride in it?
also @basement farmer is that your name on instagram as well?
 
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basement farmer

My face is melting...
what else is fluoride in besides tap water? the bottled water im currently drinking doesn't say it has fluoride in it?
also @basement farmer is that your name on instagram as well?

Hmmmm..nope. Not even sure what instagram is.

Examples of fluoride content
Food/Drink Fluoride
(mg per 100g)
Portion Fluoride
(mg per portion)

Black Tea (brewed) 0.373 1 cup, 240g (8 fl oz) 0.884
Raisins, seedless 0.234 small box, 43g (1.5 oz) 0.033
Table wine 0.153 Bottle, 750ml (26.4 fl oz) 1.150
Municipal tap-water,
(Fluoridated) 0.081 Recommended daily intake,
3 litres (0.79 US gal) 2.433
Baked potatoes, Russet 0.045 Medium potato, 140g (0.3 lb) 0.078
Lamb 0.032 Chop, 170g (6 oz) 0.054
Carrots 0.003 1 large carrot, 72g (2.5 oz) 0.002
 
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grokit

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Everything I've read has said the only 'symptom' is cosmetic/ aesthetic. So it's a bit like ugly...it might not help get you laid, but you won't die from it.
New info:

"Fluoride joins lead, arsenic, methylmercury, toluene, tetrachloroethylene, and other chemicals known to cause harm to brains, reports the Fluoride Action Network (FAN). Fluoride is newly classified as a developmental neurotoxin by medical authorities in the March 2014 journal Lancet Neurology:
http://fluoridealert.org/news/fluoride-newly-identified-as-dangerous-to-brains/


Old info:

"Fluoride is a highly toxic substance. Consider, for example, the poison warning that the FDA now requires on all fluoride toothpastes sold in the U.S. or the tens of millions of people throughout China and India who now suffer serious crippling bone diseases from drinking water with elevated levels of fluoride.

In terms of acute toxicity (i.e., the dose that can cause immediate toxic consequences), fluoride is more toxic than lead, but slightly less toxic than arsenic. This is why fluoride has long been used in rodenticides and pesticides to kill pests like rats and insects. It is also why accidents involving over-ingestion of fluoridated dental products–including fluoride gels, fluoride supplements, and fluoridated water–can cause serious poisoning incidents, including death.

In 2001, the union of scientists at the Environmental Protection Agency’s Headquarters Office in Washington D.C. stated: “we hold that water fluoridation is an unreasonable risk.” The research in this section helps to demonstrate why EPA’s own scientists reached this conclusion, and why a growing number of health professionals do so as well."
http://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/


More science, less reading:

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:tinfoil: Cue the tired old industry-sponsored ad-hominem attacks...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Burk


"We took the ten largest cities that had been fluoridated and compared them with the ten largest cities that had not been fluoridated. The fluoridation didn't start until 1952 to 1956, and has been continued ever since in the fluoridated group. Between 1940 and 1952 these two groups were identical, could not be distinguished on this curve. But from 1952 on, the curves have been continually widening to the point that there's now a difference of approximately 35,000 a year. There's no question about the data or our particular arrangement of it. The data is from government sources, which any high school student can look up and confirm. Nearly all of the fluoridation-linked cancer deaths are found to begin at the age of about 45 and then steadily increase with age. This situation is sharply different from the increased cancer deaths resulting from cigarette smoking, asbestos or hormones given to expectant mothers. Here a lag of 15 to 30 years is common. Increased death rates due to fluoridated water commence within a few years after initiation of fluoridation with marked continued increase thereafter."

In October, 1944, the Journal of the American Medical Association published an editorial: "We do know that the use of drinking water containing as little as 1.2 to 3 ppm (parts per million) of fluorine will cause such developmental disturbances in bones as osteosclerosis, spondylosis and osteopetrosis, as well as goiter, and we cannot afford the risk of producing such serious systemic disturbances in applying what is at present a doubtful procedure intended to prevent development of dental disfigurements."

http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990817225011
 
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basement farmer

My face is melting...
ad hominem, ahh memories.



To quote the wiki link, Professor Burk had this to say about flouridation: "fluoridation is a form of public mass murder". Wow. Where's the outrage. Why don't we all know more about this?

Anyway show me peer reviewed studies/ articles published a little more current than 1944 and I might be slightly more concerned.
 
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grokit

well-worn member
show me peer reviewed studies/ articles published a little more current than 1944 and I might be slightly more concerned.
Did you miss the very first one I cited, from 2014?
:rolleyes:
Or the 2001 EPA study I cited a few paragraphs later?

If your community votes to ban fluoride from its water supply, feel free to add your own.
It's in the rat poison section, and will have a skull & crossbones on it.
 

photobooth

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Just leaving this here: http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/systematic.htm

I would take the word of CDC academic systematic reviews by peer-reviewed scientists over press releases from the "Fluoride Action Network" (I quote "The Fluoride Action Network (FAN) seeks to broaden awareness about the toxicity of fluoride compounds among citizens, scientists, and policymakers alike" hmm wonder if they have any biases...)
 
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t-dub

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People need to understand the role of iodine in the body as well as other halogens like bromine, chlorine, and fluoride before deciding for themselves what to ingest. For instance, the only difference between iodine and iodide, or any haloge (ine) or (ide) is a very important electron. You need to know the difference and what it means. Filling your body with halogens other than iodine is not my idea of fun.
 

basement farmer

My face is melting...
Did you miss the very first one I cited, from 2014?
:rolleyes:
Or the 2001 EPA study I cited a few paragraphs later?

Nope, I didn't miss it. I just see a Lancet snippet taken from the FAN Website, not an actual citation.

They acknowledge that flouride is toxic, but there is more to the article, like yes flouride is toxic (so is sodium), but it's not as a salt (which is how it is ingested). Also, at what concentration is it toxic? Context is important.

But now that I'm really thinking about it, you know what? I feel like an asshole over this.

I don't agree with you and probably never will and I'm sure that you feel the same way.

So I'm going have to agree to disagree with on this and leave it at that.
 
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photobooth

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Nope, I didn't miss it. I just see a Lancet snippet taken from the FAN Website, not an acual citation.

They acknowledge that flouride is a toxic, but there is more to the article, like yes flouride is toxic (so is sodium), but it's not as a salt (which is how it is ingested). Also, at what concentration is it toxic? Context is important.

But now that I'm really thinking about it, you know what? I feel like an asshole over this.

I don't agree with you and probably never will and I'm sure that you feel the same way.

So I'm going have to agree to disagree with on this and leave it at that.

Indeed, The dose makes the poison The principle relies on the finding that all chemicals—even water and oxygen—can be toxic if too much is eaten, drunk, or absorbed. "The toxicity of any particular chemical depends on many factors, including the extent to which it enters an individual’s body."
Just pointing out that fluoride is toxic at high levels (like many substances/elements we are exposed to every day) doesn't begin to address the actual specifics of water fluoridation. Again, I highly recommend reading through the systemic reviews linked by the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/systematic.htm
 
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grokit

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Indeed, The dose makes the poison The principle relies on the finding that all chemicals—even water and oxygen—can be toxic if too much is eaten, drunk, or absorbed. "The toxicity of any particular chemical depends on many factors, including the extent to which it enters an individual’s body."
Just pointing out that fluoride is toxic at high levels (like many substances/elements we are exposed to every day) doesn't begin to address the actual specifics of water fluoridation. Again, I highly recommend reading through the systemic reviews linked by the CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/systematic.htm
You are speaking of acute toxicity, which is the basis of all pro-fluoride studies. The debate today, however, is not about fluoride’s acute toxicity, but its chronic toxicity (i.e., the dose of fluoride that if regularly consumed over an extended period of time can cause adverse effects).

Symptoms can appear as long as 20 to 30 years later, as fluoride is so very prone to accumulate, not only in the bones and teeth, but also in the soft tissues of the body. Physiologically, the fluoride ion is an avid bone seeker and a potent enzyme inhibitor according to Dr. Albert Burgstahler, University of Kansas. He states that fluoride depresses growth rate of human cells, causes dermatitis, affects thyroid and heart function, circulation and reproduction, is more potent than cyanide as an inhibitor of respiration, disturbs hormonal balance, and increases the incidence of mongolism by 15%. Upon its accumulation in tissues, fluoride may incorporate itself into naturally occurring compounds to form, for example, fluorouracil, capable of producing cancer or giving rise to deformed babies.

Obviously, this accumulated toxin is capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier. I won't bother with quote marks or links anymore, since this is from material I have already referenced.
 
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I drank litres and litres of Sydney tap water on a daily basis in the first 20 years of my life. I recently went to the dentist for the second time since 1986. Seriously. I had no cavities and no issues. Sydney tap water has had fluoride added since 1968. I have no complaints :shrug:
 
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Kommyknocker

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What it all boils down to for me?
If I have a headache, I might find myself taking an aspirin.. I don't however, dose the world with aspirin.
There is apparently a small window in adolescence in which fluoride intake is beneficial. Then it isn't. So why dose everyone. Forever.
Also if everyone's Pineal gland was cleansed overnight, and all the generational build up of the effects of Fluoride exposure were somehow nullified, then the world would over populate pretty quickly as everyone imo would realise the universal truth. Death is winning at the game of life. No fear of death? No fear of consequences.
The governors of your mentality(government) don't want this..
The petro industrial complex indeed requires us to feel as fractional as possible. Wars. Hate.. Now I know wars.have been going on for a lot longer than industrial fluoridation, but in our modern instantaneous communicative existence, the old methods of control were inadequate. Cue the mass dosing. It's not even hidden anymore. Crazy.

Further more. Sugar causes tooth decay. People eat way to much sugary foods. It simply and obviously stands to reason if you remove fluoride then sugar intake must be drastically reduced. Parents!!!
Charge 10 bucks for a candy bar and tooth decay would cease overnight Haaha.
Ban sugar instead of mass poisoning us in the guise of medical science.
 
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Mrmrmrmr

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Great posts @Kommyknocker @grokit @tdub
I knew little about fluoride until I googled what kommyknocker suggested. Wow oh wow. The history of fluoride was mind blowing. I immediately went to walmart and picked up some non fluoride toms toothpaste.
ILove my country but they (aka government) is evil,deceptive and manipulative on so many different levels.
I have drank well water my entire life so I'm glad I wasn't exposed to that.
 

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
Subjects like this are meant for reading books. Here is a good place to start: Link to Amazon

After reading this book you will understand the role of halogens in the body and why replacing iodine with bromine, chlorine, and others is bad for you. You will never convince me that one of the worst industrial poisons somehow "magically" becomes something else when it arrives at a treatment plant and its dripped into our water supply. Whats next? Lithium? Why not, people seem really stressed out these days. I have always liked that old saying "If you pollute it, dilute it." but not in your drinking water . . .

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Mrmrmrmr

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Don't think your link to amazon works tdub.im buying that book ASAP!pm me if you have other material/links. I want To learn as much as possible about all this.

In regards to your post grokit that pisses me off. I went on a 8 day hiking trip with a bunch of strangers a few years ago( got to know them all very cool people btw). I got to talking with one of them and Prozac came up. He said he told it for year or so. Had insanely scary suicidal nightmares. Spiders crawling all over him stuff like that. Quit taking it and said he feels much better. I myself have never taken any kind of antidepressant pill. Mj is the only drug I indulge in.

Well scratch that I occasionally drink as well.
What's the main reason doctors prescribe Prozac ?
 

Kommyknocker

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I thought it was for depression.. As in to combat. Interestingly, bananas have the same anti-unhappiness chemical tryptophan
as Prozac.

THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS FALSE. sorry.
 
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Kommyknocker,

photobooth

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I thought it was for depression.. As in to combat. Interestingly, bananas have the same anti-unhappiness chemical tryptophan
as Prozac.

I'm trying to stay out of this thread for sanity's sake but this is false:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptophan
"Tryptophan is a routine constituent of most protein-based foods or dietary proteins. It is particularly plentiful in chocolate, oats, dried dates, milk, yogurt, cottage cheese, red meat, eggs, fish, poultry, sesame, chickpeas, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, spirulina, bananas, and peanuts."
"Due to the lack of high quality studies and preliminary nature of studies showing effectiveness and the lack of adequate study on their safety, the use of tryptophan and 5-HTP is not highly recommended or thought to be clinically useful." In reference to it's use in depression

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine
"Fluoxetine (also known by the trade names Prozac, and Sarafem, among others) is an antidepressant of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) class."

Not sure where you are getting your info, might want to double check your sources
 
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Kommyknocker

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Thanks for the heads up my man. Had read that someplace and it just seemed interesting. Thanks again.
 
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crawdad

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did plenty of research into this a while back when i was researching vaccine ingredients...fluoride is a type of neurotoxin and it does kill the bacteria that create cavities. however there is no reason to ingest something into your entire digestive system that is meant to protect your teeth, to me its a little like drinking sunscreen to prevent sun burn. i don't believe there is a great deal of conspiracy here, fertilizer factories create waste that is sold to water companies in fluoride form so its about money and since it does help with teeth (if used properly) its get touted as safe..just like many other things that people bandwagon.
 

clukx

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a bunch of this information slightly jogged my memory from a couple different documentaries im happy to mention I don't drink tap water very often! can anyone recommend a nice fluoride free toothpaste?
 
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grokit

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Spry makes some good ones, they have a peppermint one with xylitol and aloe that I like. I have gone back to a paste with fluoride though, as has been mentioned it's okay to use topically. It's even beneficial if you aren't getting your teeth cleaned by a professional hygienist at least a couple of times a year. I went to a holistic dentist for a while that recommended fluoride-free toothpaste and mouthwash, but they also recommended quarterly cleanings which gets expensive. If you go with fluoride, make sure to spit it out.

The tom's toothpaste toothpaste I'm using now has fluoride but it's sls-free, which is a whole 'nother:worms:
 
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