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SamuraiSam

SamuraiSam

Extraction Technician
b1ut0 said:
Hello. I can't get my 8 top to fire hot enough for my Herc.

Any other suggestions please? I really want to use the 8 top with the 8 body instead of my hammer top.

Thanks and enjoy.
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The 8 is a fully rebuildable mechanical mod. Have you tried disassembling it and reassembling it? It comes with great instructions, this video from @THC SCIENTIFIC will help ya out too:

The key when doing so, is an adjustment in the flathead contact screw behind the button. If that screw is not in the right spot then it won't make contact with the top and bottom pin equally. Check this by seeing if the Hercules heats more quickly if you jam the button upwards slightly. The contact screw usually doesn't need to be jammed hard against the threads bottoming. Try backing it out a tiny amount and adjusting it 1/8th of a turn counter clockwise at a time.

If you have an early 8, there is also an upgraded button assembly that I keep forgetting to order. I better do that tomorrow.
 
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b1ut0

b1ut0

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@SamuraiSam, thanks for the quick and detailed response. Very helpful.

SamuraiSam said:
Have you tried disassembling it and reassembling it?
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Yes, I've rebuilt my 8 many, many times. It is simple to take apart and rebuild. I guess the adjustments are the key -- as you state.

SamuraiSam said:
Check this by seeing if the Hercules heats more quickly if you jam the button upwards slightly.
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I couldn't tell if the "jam the button upwards" move was doing anything or not.

SamuraiSam said:
Try backing it out a tiny amount and adjusting it 1/8th of a turn counter clockwise at a time.
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I did back out the screw 1/8th and it got a little better to my surprise. I did one more 1/8th and now it works as intended.

Thanks again @SamuraiSam, I think I'm back on the right track. I feel like I'm on the final stages of the "learning curve" and am enjoying great hits from this equipment.

I still get some messy material seeping out the holes on the side of the Heater Core. I do lots of cool down hits and store on the side but it still gets messy. Sounds like the more experienced members have solved this somehow. I'm listening to any suggestions from the group.
 
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itschad

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b1ut0 said:
Hello. I can't get my 8 top to fire hot enough for my Herc. I bought a Hammer top and Core so I could trouble shoot the problem and of corse the Hammer top works great with the body of my 8 and my Core. I come from the TET Luna camp so I'm not unfamiliar with high-end EO mechanical ceramic vapes.

I think I've narrowed it down to one or two problems.

Maybe the bottom insulator of the herc not making a good enough contact with the 8 top. However, if I put that herc on my Hammer top it works GREAT!! So could it be the bottom insulator if it works elsewhere? My herc is an SR-74x but I also have an SR-71. I tried that adapter and it was the same -- hammer top works, 8 top doesen't very well.

Or maybe, the Button Body and Gold Plated Insert are screwed up and not giving a good contact to the pins. When the button is pushed without a cart on the 8 I can see the PTFE Insert and Gold Plated Top Pin flex toward the button a few degrees as the button pushes against the bottom of the pins. I think this could cause the pins to angle and thus not get a firm adjacent contact with the bottom of the button insert. I think with the flex it is only making contact with the corner edge of the button cylinder instead of the bottom flat face. It's the give in the O-Rings that lets the pin flex and angle when button is pushed. Is that flex normal? I would think it affects the quality of the contact but am unsure.

I did another test. I used my 8 body with my 8 top and my empty Herc SR-71. Held the button down for over a minute and only a very, very, faint glow (if any) on the ceramic rod. Put on the Hammer top and after about 15 or 20 sec the rod was glowing red. My 8 top is definitely not performing.

Any other suggestions please? I really want to use the 8 top with the 8 body instead of my hammer top.

Thanks and enjoy.
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Do you have the original button assembly or the new one that protrudes slightly? your center pins might not be a large enough diameter to be making a good contact if the original
 
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Mr Mellish

Mr Mellish

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Hello,

Today I decided to take my Herc apart and have a look. As usual it was pretty gunked (but, hey, got it back together and working in my first try!). There have been comments here about not wanting material in the "lower chamber" (or something along those lines). Does that refer to the lower of the two SS cylinders that contains the heating rod? Mine is always pretty gunked and I assumed that was normal behavior.

Thanks.
 
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bdmonkeyj3w

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Mr Mellish said:
Hello,

Today I decided to take my Herc apart and have a look. As usual it was pretty gunked (but, hey, got it back together and working in my first try!). There have been comments here about not wanting material in the "lower chamber" (or something along those lines). Does that refer to the lower of the two SS cylinders that contains the heating rod? Mine is always pretty gunked and I assumed that was normal behavior.

Thanks.
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Its normal-ish, but it doesnt have to be. How solid is your concentrate to begin with? if you travel back some pages theres lots of posts with everyones suggestions and personalized setups. I cover the holes with the washers, some remove washers completely. I changed from a v1 top to a new hammer top recently, and i have yet to have ANY reclaim in my bottom chamber for the last two or three weeks since i got it.
 
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Mr Mellish

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bdmonkeyj3w said:
Its normal-ish, but it doesnt have to be. How solid is your concentrate to begin with? if you travel back some pages theres lots of posts with everyones suggestions and personalized setups. I cover the holes with the washers, some remove washers completely. I changed from a v1 top to a new hammer top recently, and i have yet to have ANY reclaim in my bottom chamber for the last two or three weeks since i got it.
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Thanks. If at some point you have your rig apart, could you take a pic? Not quite sure where the washer would go (I have an SR-71, so maybe we're talking apples and oranges?). I did just enough cleanup to ensure all contacts were clear, so it has been a while since I saw the whole thing disassembled.
 
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bdmonkeyj3w

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Mr Mellish said:
Thanks. If at some point you have your rig apart, could you take a pic? Not quite sure where the washer would go (I have an SR-71, so maybe we're talking apples and oranges?). I did just enough cleanup to ensure all contacts were clear, so it has been a while since I saw the whole thing disassembled.
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Ill have time later tonight for pics, but im talking about that gold aaf washer or whatever it is... i believe theyre on the 71 as well but could be wrong. i only own a 74 3.7 for now, but probably gonna grab a 7.4 in the future since i have a hammer rod now. i do run a 71 coil on my original tank sr 74 without the handle piece and its freakin amazing. ill take pics as i disassemble and well see if my careless friends let it drip last night as it was passed around.
 
b1ut0

b1ut0

Member
itschad said:
Do you have the original button assembly or the new one that protrudes slightly? your center pins might not be a large enough diameter to be making a good contact if the original
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@itschad My 8 is only a month old and I can see the plastic button assembly when I look at the 8 from the side where the arc is cut out so you can press the button into the body -- sounds like the newer one but thanks for the suggestion.

Mr Mellish said:
Not quite sure where the washer would go (I have an SR-71, so maybe we're talking apples and oranges?).
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@Mr Mellish Check out the second pic in this link to see where the AAF washer goes. http://www.w9tech.com/hercules-sr-74-aaf/
 
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mixchu69

mixchu69

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I put some really bad shatter in my hercules. Can I just boil the top half of the hercules in distilled water or do you guys recommend taking out the donut ti coil and boiling them separately? I know boiliing separately would be more advantageous but i have it placed in the right position and dont want to mess with it.
 
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torggzorz

torggzorz

All your Vape are belong to us
Mr Mellish said:
Thanks. If at some point you have your rig apart, could you take a pic? Not quite sure where the washer would go (I have an SR-71, so maybe we're talking apples and oranges?). I did just enough cleanup to ensure all contacts were clear, so it has been a while since I saw the whole thing disassembled.
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The SR-71 does not have an airflow washer on it.

mixchu69 said:
I put some really bad shatter in my hercules. Can I just boil the top half of the hercules in distilled water or do you guys recommend taking out the donut ti coil and boiling them separately? I know boiliing separately would be more advantageous but i have it placed in the right position and dont want to mess with it.
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I personally am lazy and haven't cleaned my herc since I got it running like a month ago and have put many many grams of wax through it (I even vaped that cookie by accident....) and it still tastes pretty damn top notch IMO.... I feel like cleaning out the coils and stuff would be wasting my wax cause you'd have to boil out your "buffer" from the coils then add a new buffer....maybe if you're a super taste junkie then go for it, I would just vape out the gross stuff and throw some new in. Many years of scraping the resin from my oldschool pipe has given me leather lungs impervious to odd tasting things that will still get me stoned hehe....

EDIT: I don't see why you shouldn't be able to boil just the top half with the coils still in it to fully answer your question though.
 
mixchu69

mixchu69

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torggzorz said:
The SR-71 does not have an airflow washer on it.



I personally am lazy and haven't cleaned my herc since I got it running like a month ago and have put many many grams of wax through it (I even vaped that cookie by accident....) and it still tastes pretty damn top notch IMO.... I feel like cleaning out the coils and stuff would be wasting my wax cause you'd have to boil out your "buffer" from the coils then add a new buffer....maybe if you're a super taste junkie then go for it, I would just vape out the gross stuff and throw some new in. Many years of scraping the resin from my oldschool pipe has given me leather lungs impervious to odd tasting things that will still get me stoned hehe....

EDIT: I don't see why you shouldn't be able to boil just the top half with the coils still in it to fully answer your question though.
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I'll try to vape out the funky shatter, I am no taste junkie, but this device made me one. The tastes are so pronounced. I have no idea how Gary does it, especially since we are reheating the oil over and over, but it tastes good every hit (unless you get some bad concentrates). If we are reheating it over and over, I have no idea how the flavor will not degrade. I read one post in the past, 'G knows his oils.' But I ask myself, why doesn't it taste burnt if we are reheating over and over?
 
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chronickiller7

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Dropped my only globe cleaning it! Tried fiddling around with different things, and the kiss carts top part fits over the kiss globe coil perfectly. Moves around a little, but works none the less. I feel like it's less harsh than the globe. Can't wait for the mini carts to be back in stock!

 
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bdmonkeyj3w

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@Mr Mellish : Photos as requested

Opened bottom chamber: No reclaim after switching to hammer top 2 weeksish ago.

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Holes covered, with a little bit of drip coming through:



Homemade from my crop last season, j1 afgoo blend, but the j1 is super sappy standing alone:



So not running shatter in my piece right now and still no drainage. Using ash poker to heat oil into sr 71 coil! Its just large enough that the screw top on the original sr74 keeps it in place. Very clouds. Many happy.



I know youre running a sr 71 but maybe something sparks the imagination to get yourself up and going drip free. Only other thing i can think of but you probably got it covered, keep the batteries charged. I try not to run mine below half capacity before recharging. I do know in the past i noticed it got hot enough to vape a little, but perfect to liquefy the contents and drain it. Good Luck!

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Mr Mellish

Mr Mellish

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bdmonkeyj3w said:
@Mr Mellish : Photos as requested

Opened bottom chamber: No reclaim after switching to hammer top 2 weeksish ago.
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/552x311q90/r/910/kyEa4Z.jpg

Holes covered, with a little bit of drip coming through:
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/552x311q90/r/538/Q60Pbw.jpg

Homemade from my crop last season, j1 afgoo blend, but the j1 is super sappy standing alone:
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/152x271q90/r/913/xldXol.jpg

So not running shatter in my piece right now and still no drainage. Using ash poker to heat oil into sr 71 coil! Its just large enough that the screw top on the original sr74 keeps it in plays. Very clouds. Many happy.
https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/152x271q90/r/912/Z9Kn0E.jpg

I know youre running a sr 71 but maybe something sparks the imagination to get yourself up and going drip free. Only other thing i can think of but you probably got it covered, keep the batteries charged. I try not to run mine below half capacity before recharging. I do know in the past i noticed it got hot enough to vape a little, but perfect to liquefy the contents and drain it. Good Luck!
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You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. I do tend to charge the batts regularly (every sesh or two).

Thank you.
 
Patrick Hughes

Patrick Hughes

Stoneman
mixchu69 said:
I'll try to vape out the funky shatter
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If it tastes gross I myself would not enjoy it. I would take the unit to bits
(remove the plastic shell, unscrew the two stainless chambers, remove the retaining collar and resistance rod, remove the top cap) and take the top stainless section (with the coil still inside but not the rod) upside down and heat it to melt out the crap. It will drip out so be ready with something to catch it.

If you are patient you could use a hair dryer or a hot air gun of some sort. I am not patient so I use a judicial application of a torch lighter on low, just enough to melt the stuff out.

I do this to clean my hercs every 10 grams or so. I vape at 3.7 v and any impurities stick around and eventually there is so much crap there is no room for hash. I take the rod out and clean it every other day, and that is the only cleaning I do - I never remove the coil unless I want to throw it out, because I will destroy it in the removal/cleaning process.
 
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chronickiller7

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How would a new top improve how the herc performs? I am using one of the oldest tops lol. Would that explain my slightly off performance? I just got some shatter so I'm cleaning my herc now.
 
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bdmonkeyj3w

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chronickiller7 said:
How would a new top improve how the herc performs? I am using one of the oldest tops lol. Would that explain my slightly off performance? I just got some shatter so I'm cleaning my herc now.
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I can tell you from first hand experience that i do not know why it works better, but my hammer top kicks my v1 tops ass as far as fully firing my herc.
 
b1ut0

b1ut0

Member
bdmonkeyj3w said:
I can tell you from first hand experience that i do not know why it works better, but my hammer top kicks my v1 tops ass as far as fully firing my herc.
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Me too. I'm using my hammer top with my 8 body because I can't seem to get the 8 to fire as well as my hammer top. I was thinking that I still need to tweak the placement of the gold button insert to make a great connection on the 8. I've only had it a month so it might just be me figuring out how to set it up. However, every time I think I have my 8 dialed in I put on my hammer top and am seriously blown away.

Should my expectation be that the 8 work as well as the hammer top?

Also, should I be using the fuse in the 8 body with the hammer top or is that redundant? I'd like to leave it in with the hammer top because it makes it quicker to switch tops from the 8 to the hammer top during testing.
 
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chronickiller7

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So I cleaned my herc sr74x last night. Herc performs a lot better/easier with shatter and stable concentrates (clean shatter vs wax with fats and lipids still in it). I can't seem to get decent clouds. Herc is getting hot and I have a good amount of oil in the thing. I'm guessing it has to do with my old persei top. I'm going add a hammer top to my next order. How does the v4 hit with the herc compared to the hammer?

Here's some pics of what I got going on..



 
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Fredster951

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chronickiller7 said:
So I cleaned my herc sr74x last night. Herc performs a lot better/easier with shatter and stable concentrates (clean shatter vs wax with fats and lipids still in it). I can't seem to get decent clouds. Herc is getting hot and I have a good amount of oil in the thing. I'm guessing it has to do with my old persei top. I'm going add a hammer top to my next order. How does the v4 hit with the herc compared to the hammer?

Here's some pics of what I got going on..



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Looks like u need more buffer oil. Did u clean out the coil?
 
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