Borobook Banger or Happy Daddy Genesis (domeless nails)?

ButImADapperDabMan

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Howdy, forum members!

First time poster here, so forgive me if this thread's been done to death.

I recently purchased a Happy Daddy Genesis TI nail, and I gotta say...I freaking love this nail! Very low reclaim pull, so almost all my concentrate goes into my lungs instead of the inside of my rig. This is my first carb cap piece, too, and I really dig the taste of a low temp dab. Only complaint is the size, but they just released a micro version that takes care of that issue.

What I'd like to know is what the rest of you dab happy bastards feel about em? Especially compared to Borobook Bangers. I've liked Quartz nails in the past (faster to heat up, and they retain flavor well), and am wondering if I should get a Banger instead of a Micro Genesis for my next dabbing purchase.

What do yall think?
 
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IWAW

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I just purchased a boro book banger. It seems decently thick and has good heat retention compared to other quartz nails I've bought. Deep bucket.

My only gripe is with their customer service. A lot to be desired there. I placed an order on x-mas with the assurance it would be shipped the following day and arrive before x-mas. Not only was it not shipped until two full days later, when I contacted them they first tried to blame USPS and offered me a 50% discount. Then they completely ignored the content of my further messages still claiming it was shipped when it was supposed to when I had proof otherwise. Following that they rescinded the 50% discount offer and made it a 30% discount offer...Very confusing not often that i've found that happens. After further complaints and more attempts at dodging responsibility I got them to attempt their fault. This was only after being ignored and lied to multiple times. So order with caution I suppose...
 

ButImADapperDabMan

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I just purchased a boro book banger. It seems decently thick and has good heat retention compared to other quartz nails I've bought. Deep bucket.

My only gripe is with their customer service. A lot to be desired there. I placed an order on x-mas with the assurance it would be shipped the following day and arrive before x-mas. Not only was it not shipped until two full days later, when I contacted them they first tried to blame USPS and offered me a 50% discount. Then they completely ignored the content of my further messages still claiming it was shipped when it was supposed to when I had proof otherwise. Following that they rescinded the 50% discount offer and made it a 30% discount offer...Very confusing not often that i've found that happens. After further complaints and more attempts at dodging responsibility I got them to attempt their fault. This was only after being ignored and lied to multiple times. So order with caution I suppose...


Hey, thanks for the reply IWAW! I'm bummed to hear that your experience with their reps sucked since their Christmas special seemed so appealing.

Any clue how they compare to Quave Club Bangers? I'm curious as to why there's such a steep price difference between two domeless nails that look exactly the same...
 
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IWAW

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Yah it was really disappointing. Unfortunately I've never used a qcb so I can't compare. I also know absolutely nothing about quartz. So while it may seem that the bbb, boro book banger, is better then my other quartz it could also be a placebo from having payed more. I'm really interested to know what the difference is to.
 
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SamuraiSam

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Quave Club Bangers are expensive for a few reasons. One, Quave invented the quartz banger. Two, they're made in America. They put out a pretty consistent product. The borobook and other eBay quartz bangers are generally made in China. There is a bit of variance to their shape, particularly the neck, and by that, the draw and restriction.

There's been a lot of drama about the borobook bangers recently.

http://sasquatchglass.com/club-banger-watergate-glass-industry-dispute-borobook/
 

ButImADapperDabMan

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Quave Club Bangers are expensive for a few reasons. One, Quave invented the quartz banger. Two, they're made in America. They put out a pretty consistent product. The borobook and other eBay quartz bangers are generally made in China. There is a bit of variance to their shape, particularly the neck, and by that, the draw and restriction.

There's been a lot of drama about the borobook bangers recently.

http://sasquatchglass.com/club-banger-watergate-glass-industry-dispute-borobook/

SamuraiSam! You're the man!

Very helpful article. I prefer MIA to MIC. SUPPORT LOCAL!

I'm, by all means, not a rich man, but collecting heady glass is definitely one of my hobbies. I'll be honest, I like to smoke, and I like to dab. Therefore, finding "the one" has been a large part of my life for the better part of ten years. I work in a head shop and see a lot of styles come and go, but finding "the one" still eludes me. With things evolving all the time in this industry, it's tough.

I love my Genesis nail, and if it taught me anything, it's that quality doesn't come cheap. Most likely, I'll grab a Micro Genesis AND a QCB sometime soon. I'm also GASing for a (affordable) recycler pretty bad, so once all of these have been acquired, I'll post my findings here, so stay tuned.

However, I still want more replies on this topic. Cmon forum members, share your thoughts on your Quave, Borobook, and Happy Daddy Genesis setups.

Any info is highly appreciated!

Thanks!
 
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NorCalOrganic

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DapperDab, I posted this on your other thread but I figured I'd share it on this one as well.

Sorry to bump an old thread but I just went through this same dilemma with my a couple buddies of mine. One of my friends has a Quave banger and I use it all the time, we were simply trying to figure out if the Borobook Banger is of the same quality or material. I ordered Two of the V3 Borobook bangers for under $100 and honestly they look just like the quave but they only heat slightly longer (10-15 second longer heat retention from the Borobook bangers vs the Quave club banger. (the materials look 100% identical, quave's joints are the main difference in my opinion) I've seen some alternative nails that just look awful, but Borobook bangers / domeless nails look real nice in person, totally a quality product when you hold it and examine it, and it does look very very similar to the QCB if thats the look your going for.

One major thing to note is My friend has to use his quave 10 seconds quicker then my Borobook V3 banger cools off. We both did heat stress tests (right when I bought my borobook banger I heated it up as hot as possible with two propane torches on full blast at the banger then dropped it in ice water to thermal shock it. To my amazement (and excitement) the borobook nail help up completely fine (if this were glass, pyrex etc it would of shattered, meaning if this was anything besides pure quartz it wouldn't withstand a thermal shock. I tried another heat test thinking maybe the first one did do some damage that I couldn't see and the second heat test would break it but again to my surprise. and it made it without a single problem. We did one single heat stress test on the QCB because its 1 month old and used but it survived as well.

One thing to note though is the gold labeling on the Quave comes off, it was totally fading away after we ISO cleaned it and did our heat stress test, I would definitely prefer a sandblasted label over those Bake on labels on the QCB's but I got the V3, I will have to try the Borobook diamond edition soon and do some tests on that sandblasting but I would imagine heat or ISO wouldn't affect it since its blasted into the quartz.

A friend of mine blows glass and has actually worked with quartz many times, he let us know that when torched any un-pure minerals within the quartz will glow. Essentially if you have a brand new quartz banger and torch it to heat it up, it should not glow or look like its getting hot, it should be completely transparent still. If there is aluminum, lead, etc these elements will glow and the rest of the quartz will say transparent. Well, guess what, the Borobook Banger passed this test without a single problem, My mothership swing even has slight specs that glow more then the Borobook Banger (not saying anything bad about mothership) but this swing that I had from them that costs $160 was literally less pure then the Borobook Banger.

I love to have the nicest of the nice and if a brand name earns that extra premium I'm happy to pay a brand name or designer names premium price IF ITS WORTH IT, in this case it is absolutely not worth it. So In conclusion I am as happy as can be with my V3 Borobook Banger and plan to order some of their other designs in the near future.

As for your second question as to why Quave's pricing is the way it is, no it has nothing to do with the materials. If you've ever taken a look at a Quave rig for sale they are over $10,000, that's not because the glass he uses is insanely quality or high priced (it is quality but thats not where the price comes from). Quave is an artist, (like Picasso was with cone temperate art) he is one of the top paid artists in the glass industry and If he's rigs can pull 5 figure price tags from collectors no problem then anything with his name on it will come with a high ticket. (Picasso paintings didn't use some kind of million dollar paint). Other factors may come into play such as manufacturing processes etc but the majority of the price hike comes from the name. Hope this info helps if you haven't gotten a banger yet if not I'm sure another FC user will have this same exact question in the future.

Happy Derbin!
~~NorCalOrganic
 
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