The Magic-Flight Box

VaporAssassin said:

Vito your like the MFLB Yoda.

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truth. and a good salesman too. I just ordered the bubbler and and Im about to place an order for the minigrinder at puffitup.

I just read this and I don't know what to make of it exactly .

"I've owned my MFLB for a year now and I can tell you I get baked from it. I use the microhit technique with mine".

"You plug the hole of the box and insert the battery for about five seconds(pre-heat). Begin drawing with the battery still inserted for about 5-7 seconds. Cover the hole again for another 5 seconds and keep the battery inserted. Begin drawing again and rinse and repeat until you can't anymore. This technique gets me much better hits and highs from the box than I got early on. Hope it helps. Leaves no smell as well(no combustion, just more concentrated hits)".


Does he mean cover the hole in the back when first inserting the battery ?

Vessel said:

I just read this and I don't know what to make of it exactly .

"I've owned my MFLB for a year now and I can tell you I get baked from it. I use the microhit technique with mine".

"You plug the hole of the box and insert the battery for about five seconds(pre-heat). Begin drawing with the battery still inserted for about 5-7 seconds. Cover the hole again for another 5 seconds and keep the battery inserted. Begin drawing again and rinse and repeat until you can't anymore. This technique gets me much better hits and highs from the box than I got early on. Hope it helps. Leaves no smell as well(no combustion, just more concentrated hits)".


Does he mean cover the hole in the back when first inserting the battery ?

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The hole at the back is part of the manufacturing process and doesn't let air through. I'm guessing what is being described above is to cover the hole you draw through until you are ready to take your hit. I'm skeptical that doing that would impact much but I haven't tried it.

yeah that doesn't sound like it would do much

Vitolo said:

Next a video in response to WatTyler- I put it here in MFLB thread because I use the MFLB to try this bubbler out. Trust me when I say, that when Magic Flight releases a water attachment it will blow this thing "out of the water"!
VTV presents;
http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m580/VitoloVaporizes/Photoon2011-06-20at1201.jpg
Touch to view vid

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Wow Vitolo, thanks for the shout out on VTV! Great vid!

Do you have a short LB stem? I don't think they do them anymore, but with that I have been able to get my box joined rigidly with the bubbler (with the aid of some extra tubing to hold together) making it a one handed operation (just hold the box, them pull away the stem & bubbler to clear). Super easy.

I now only ever seem to hit my box at home using this extra device. TBH before this I found the LB a little harsher on my soft pallete / back of throat than my other vapes.

shizlefonizle said:

VaporAssassin said:

Vito your like the MFLB Yoda.

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truth. and a good salesman too. I just ordered the bubbler and and Im about to place an order for the minigrinder at puffitup.

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Right enough! My anonymous vid of it in action surely didn't sell as many, and I'm gonna get that grinder too!!! ( not another grinder!)

Maybe soon Vitolo will be getting as many freebies as Linda?

If you want a short stem, order a whip from Blisssville. You get a short stem in each end of the whip

Vessel said:

I just read this and I don't know what to make of it exactly .......
"You plug the hole of the box and insert the battery for about five seconds(pre-heat).

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The Battery hole. You plug the battery hole with the Battery
It was poorly said.
The only other slot you plug is the stem hole... plugged with stem.
Your statement refers to the battery hole.. and should have read:
"You plug the battery into the hole of the box and insert the battery for about five seconds(pre-heat)

Has anyone experienced any melting of the Plexiglass cover of the MFLB? Before ordering, that's one of my biggest concern's.

I've reached combustion in my LB several times (not intentionally) and there isn't any indication of melting of the cover. With "normal" use, you shouldn't have any risk of this.

No, its not going to melt. If the Box got too hot the biggest risk would be scorching/combusting your herb.

Plexiglass does not melt like plastic does, and the temps passing by it are not near high enough to affect the plexiglass at all. People heated, and torched Plexiglass bongs for decades... missing the herb, and aiming torch flames directly at the stems! (also the metal funnels sat directly in Plexiglass).
My bong made it from 1969, to about a year ago, when I gave it to a collector as memorabilia.
I think the MFLB cover will be safe!

I've seen those plexi bongs. How did you clean them?

WatTyler said:

Yep, I'll add my voice to Vitolo's (edit; +JDS). For me the PA goes waaay to high. I never get above even 1/2 power and find this to be best for maximum vapor production.

Higher power doesn't seem to make much thicker vapor, but cooks too quick and typically leaves charred bits, and it's really easy to reach ignition in my mini bubblers.

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Yep after more experimentation I agree with this. It gets scary past 2/3's of the way on mine but I rarely go above halfway. I still totally love the PA though. Like Vitolo said once you find your sweet spot you wont combust but can take the trench all the way.

WatTyler said:

I think back in the early days of the Launch Tube (beta maybe even?) it was calibrated to run at higher temps, although folk on here were recommending it be reduced. I used to wonder about that, having the LB with batteries and sometimes wishing it ran hotter, but now I can understand the opinion

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You've got a good memory Wat. I forgot about that. I bought a lower temp one as well & didn't get on well with it. I was still smoking more than vaping in those days & it hit less than an ultra low silk cut. I might appreciate it more now. Wonder if it would actually work well with the PA? I intend to try it but cant get to place where I have the LT stored for a few days.

bruce48 said:

Just wanted to share my mistake with the community.

My box started to accumulate an awful amount of junk on the rails and I decided to do the ISO thing which worked really well except I went a bit overboard and splashed some ISO on the wood and started cleaning the wood also.

The wood expanded,warped and became concave, rendering the unit unusable since the plastic top needs to fit snugly but now since my unit was round on top I was out of luck.

I sent magic-flight an email telling them what happened and they then sent me a new box.

So be careful with your ISO and the wood.

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Yeah, I had a similar experience with mine. . . For me the wood shrunk down and made the plexiglass cover not close. With time, though, the box goes back to normal. It was a scary experience though, for sure! I didn't even use that much alcohol. . . about a soaked q-tip's worth. Oh well. . . all's well that ends well!

VapeArts said:

The hole at the back is part of the manufacturing process and doesn't let air through....

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EDIT: My pursuant conversation with the people at Magic Flight corrected the misunderstanding.

Dudeson 1882 said:

I've seen those plexi bongs. How did you clean them?

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You could NOT use straight alcohol... the bongs were rounded and not flat.. so alcohol would crack them if used directly. (also plexiglass was young.. it is stronger now)
Hot water and dish soap was the order of the day, with a bottle brush to provide the agitation!

Thanks for the re-assurance that the Plexiglass cover isn't going to melt.

...And now I have settled on a vaporizer

congrats dude a good choice too!

Vitolo said:

VapeArts said:

The hole at the back is part of the manufacturing process and doesn't let air through....

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The hole they speak of is the Battery opening. Just to correct a misconception;
Was just studying my MFLB. The hole in the back does certainly let air through, and is put there for that reason. BlissSville has verified this to me.
If you have any doubt of this, just depress your battery, and instead of drawing on your tube blow through that hole. VTV Presents: MFLB Air Flow
The link will take you to an Air Flow demo.

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I'm 99% sure hole is a part of the manufacturing process. MF said before you can plug it if you want. I believe when you blew on the back there some air was passing through the longer slit on the left containing the negative battery terminal (the ring in the slit) which is where your air comes from when hitting. Someone please correct me if im wrong

Edit: Here it is.... Rear Hole Info Vaporpedia

Also....Where is the air intake? Vaporpedia

Neither of my boxes have air flow blowing through that hole so its not something in the latest or past design

My glass stems came yesterday from Blisssville and fit perfect in my newer box BTW Love them!

That rear hole I imagine is there to fascilitate the installation of the metal rod conductor. That's my guess. If you remove that rear battery gasket / push ring, you see that the rear hole only ports to the battery chamber.
While the path from the rear hole to the chamber isn't sealed (see Vito's vape), it really doesn't seem to be a vent.

JDSupreme said:

Vitolo said:

VapeArts said:

The hole at the back is part of the manufacturing process and doesn't let air through....

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The hole they speak of is the Battery opening. Just to correct a misconception;
Was just studying my MFLB. The hole in the back does certainly let air through, and is put there for that reason. BlissSville has verified this to me.
If you have any doubt of this, just depress your battery, and instead of drawing on your tube blow through that hole. VTV Presents: MFLB Air Flow
The link will take you to an Air Flow demo.

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I'm 99% sure hole is a part of the manufacturing process. MF said before you can plug it if you want. I believe when you blew on the back there some air was passing through the longer slit on the left containing the negative battery terminal (the ring in the slit) which is where your air comes from when hitting. Someone please correct me if im wrong

Edit: Here it is.... Rear Hole Info Vaporpedia

Also....Where is the air intake? Vaporpedia

Neither of my boxes have air flow blowing through that hole so its not something in the latest or past design

My glass stems came yesterday from Blisssville and fit perfect in my newer box BTW Love them!

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I gotta agree with JDS here, although mines an early model. I just blew e-cig vape back through my LB to verify, and had to record it as I couldn't really see the end of the box. It does seem to come out from the ring channel, rather than the manufacturing hole at the positive end.

Demonstration, if you're interested;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f61mpZGR3aU

I notified MFLB of unbranded copies sold in local smoke shops, they responded thanking me, but I collected a bit more info and want to pass it on to them, but they won't respond to any further emails I've sent, so I'm going to dump the info here, they can collect it or not, but I can stop thinking about their company too now:

BB Tobacco
14341 Beach Blvd # G
Westminster, CA 92683-4561
(714) 894-5849
bbsmokeshop.com

this is a transcript of my call to BB Tobacco Tuesday, April 5th, 2011, Noon:

BBTobacco: Tobacco
Me: I think I was in your shop a couple of weekends ago and saw a mini vaporizer in a tin box, but didn't get the man to take it out of the case."
BBTobacco: Yes (his inflection indicated he knew both which one and that it was still available)
Me: Can you tell me how much it costs?
BBTobacco: $149
Me: Is it a copy of the Magic Flight Launch Box?
BBTobacco: Yes
Me: Why is it more than the Magic Flight Launch Box?
BBTobacco: I don't know, it includes the lithium batteries, a charger, a car adapter and the pipe in a metal box.
Me: Maybe it's the car charger, theirs doesn't include that.
BBTobacco: Maybe, I do know it costs us more.
Me: Do you know who's distributing it?
BBTobacco: I don't
Me: Who they get it from?
BBTobacco: I don't know
Me: Okay, thanks for your time.
call ended

I got the impression I wouldn't get any more info so thanked him and hung up.

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I hate to do this to you, Vitolo, but aside from what is in Vaporpedia (which is taken from magicflight's posts) there is also this from a lot earlier in this thread:

magicflight said:

brooklynboro said:

Unfortunately, "(the main conducting rods seal the holes). " this is NOT TRUE as air still passes!

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I am not sure your test of this was performed correctly. To double check, I took two units down to the lab and had a bowl area cover-plate glued on (this also blocked the air inlet channel). We then connected 5 PSI of air pressure to the draw hole and submerged the entire unit under water. No bubbles were observed in either case, even after several minutes -- the rods do in fact seal, at least with respect to pressures far in excess of the level of negative air pressure possible to produce with a human body.

As has been mentioned before, these are wooden products and it is possible that some units out there have less than perfect assembly. However, given the nature of the drilling and fitting performed, this is actually rather unlikely. Near as I can tell, they seal tight every time.

-- Magic-flight

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I don't know how consistent that seal is. My older LB behaves like yours, the newer koa box is tight as a drum.

Anyway, whether the hole contributes to airflow or not, it isn't meant to.

I just ordered 2 backup boxes from blissville!

a 2nd one for the bedroom/tv room(the original is plugged into the PA in the computer room), and a backup for those just in case moments in life

I asked them about pricing and like you said vitolo, 67 bucks each! way better than buying 2 more chargers and the whole kit again... I would never have thought to ask otherwise.

I think i might even gift one of the boxes away in the future.

Vitolo said:

VapeArts said:

The hole at the back is part of the manufacturing process and doesn't let air through....

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The hole they speak of is the Battery opening. Just to correct a misconception;
Was just studying my MFLB. The hole in the back does certainly let air through, and is put there for that reason. BlissSville has verified this to me.
If you have any doubt of this, just depress your battery, and instead of drawing on your tube blow through that hole.

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Hi,

Unfortunately, it seems the BlissSville sales team (part of a retail/distribution company) is a little out of sync with the Magic-Flight design team (part of a engineering/manufacturing company). Since I represent the MF company and have been involved in many of the design discussions regarding the Box, I can give clear information on this topic.

The back surface has three features -- 1) the negative terminal ring slot, 2) the positive terminal insertion hole, and 3) the air inlet groove. The air inlet groove is a shallow channel in the top face of the Launch Box immediately under the cover that is aligned with and immediately above the negative terminal ring slot. It can be hard to see unless specifically looked for. The insertion hole connects only with the battery chamber, not with the vapor chamber, and so does not participate in the vaporization process. If you were to uniformly blow on the entire back surface of the box, you would encompass all three features, and would thus observe the difference in draw airflow. This is due to the air inlet groove (#3), and partially due to the ring slot (#1), but is not a function of the insertion hole (#2).

The earlier post where I mentioned the result of the pressure test (some months ago now) is actually in regard to another aspect -- the degree to which it might be possible for the positive terminal insertion hole (#2) to connect to the vapor chamber (inside the Box). As was determined from that test, there is no practical connection. Since then, more testing has been done and I can now assert with new information that at least less than 0.03% of the units shipped have any possibility of there being any coupling there. The insertion hole can be plugged or not with no effect on the function of the Box.

I sincerely hope that you have a fabulous day!

-- Magic-Flight