Custom Glass Ideas/Designs Thread

VaPeD&CoNfUsEd said:

Just be happy you actually received yours @Ratchett. Mine still sits in Jamaica New York limbo. Been there 8 days now. Probably just gonna wash my hands of this one as I believe I'm a victim of the USPS black hole.

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They're just testing the product in Jamaica and got stuck in a weed coma. There might be a card added to your package that says: "Where can I buy this, mon?"

blankrider said:

@PoopMachine the Trey situation is definitely disappointing. I know that some people where campaigning for the stereo matrix perc in the 242 I'm working on. This design is going to be a single matrix but perhaps a stereo matrix klein would be to their liking. Some sort of FC design that isn't ripping off an already existing piece

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PoopMachine said:

I think a stereo Matrix would be needed to get the water moving but thats just my opinion. I saw the double uptake/single Matrix piece a couple of pages back. Should be interesting.

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Ok, regarding the new 242, I still have somewhat strong feelings on this piece... At this point I'm really past visual aesthetic. I think a stereo would look cool, yes, but now I'm primarily just concerned with function. As @PoopMachine said, it's going to take more power than a single matrix perc can provide to get a functional recycle and vortex on this one, unless you drop the height of the can/position of the uptake tubes dramatically.

@blankrider: It sounds like you're still intending to submit your original design, the one that's essentially a d020-D with a vortex chamber. If that is indeed the case, I've got to ask: do you own a d020-d? If so, you'll find that on a lighter pull (which most of mine, at least, are) the bubbles purr out of the perc very gently and don't stack more than an inch or so. As it stands, with that original design, those bubbles won't even reach the uptake tubes, which will result in zero recycling action. You'll be left with a d020-D with an extra useless chamber. Granted, one could raise the water level by 2 1/2 to 3 times in the can in order to compensate, but this would make the drag quite heavy and chuggy, which IMO completely defeats the purpose of a low-drag perc such as the matrix. The other two options, as I see it, are too dramatically lower the height of the can as I'd suggested a while ago, or switch to a more forceful perc such as the stereo matrix, as I, @PoopMachine and others have also suggested.

I have no personal stake in this other than that I like the overall design and would like to function as well so that I can purchase/enjoy using one. I hope I don't come off as confrontational as that is not my intent. I'm just pretty convinced that this design won't function as-is, but see a lot of potential for a great piece, and I'd very much like to help make into a reality.

I only have one matrix piece, but even I can see that with light pulls there won't be any or just a tiny bit of recycling. And I'm also all about the slow and light pulls. It'd work for high temp dabs and filthy combustion, that be it for me. Most people will probably be rather disappointed and ditch the concept glass for a while.

Recyclers use a good deal of water and unless a mini, usually offer considerable drag. I own about 18 and every single one requires water to be filled up to about where the uptake arms begin. There's really no way around it. Too little water and you don't have enough liquid displacement for proper function. You can not compare a can with a single perc to a Recycler. The pull, drag, and chug are all completely different. The Stereo Matrix will actually add to the chug when it comes to a Recycler and will effect the function and vortex.

The high water level is just part of the recycler game.

@Erwin I understand what you are saying about the matrix perc. I always watch mine and how they bubble. I see the matrix perc as a kind of over rated showerhead. Adding more holes helps to an extent but there is a point where it doesn't help and it is more for show then for function.

I do not own the D020-D but I do own an original D020, GB-187, FC-187, and GB-242. The matrix perc has already proven to work in a recycler with the original 242 so hopefully scaling it up will work as well. I should hopefully have pictures of prototype number 2 soon along with a function video for it. Then everyone can give their input before the actual production run

edit: thanks for weighing in on this @Deadshort480. I really appreciate everyone's input equally but having experience with oodles of glass helps more than having done hours of window shopping

I'm not a huge recycler guy. Well actually I'm now starting to be.. Just so damn cool! But if we're worried about the function then why not use a perc that displaces more water or works consistently well with recyclers? I'm not sure how mind set we are on matrixes but IMO id prefer a piece with a worse perc that functioned better overall if that's what needs to happen.

Maybe I'm way off but like I said I'm new to recyclers lol

Edit: like @blankrider said having actual experience helps a hell of a lot more than just my window shopping

Deadshort480 said:

Recyclers use a good deal of water and unless a mini, usually offer considerable drag. I own about 18 and every single one requires water to be filled up to about where the uptake arms begin. There's really no way around it. Too little water and you don't have enough liquid displacement for proper function. You can not compare a can with a single perc to a Recycler. The pull, drag, and chug are all completely different. The Stereo Matrix will actually add to the chug when it comes to a Recycler and will effect the function and vortex.

The high water level is just part of the recycler game.

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True true, however the more water above the perc that needs to be displaced, the heavier the pull will be. You're always gonna have high water and some chug, yes, but you can still adjust how much to some extent...

blankrider said:

@Erwin I understand what you are saying about the matrix perc. I always watch mine and how they bubble. I see the matrix perc as a kind of over rated showerhead. Adding more holes helps to an extent but there is a point where it doesn't help and it is more for show then for function.

I do not own the D020-D but I do own an original D020, GB-187, FC-187, and GB-242. The matrix perc has already proven to work in a recycler with the original 242 so hopefully scaling it up will work as well. I should hopefully have pictures of prototype number 2 soon along with a function video for it. Then everyone can give their input before the actual production run

edit: thanks for weighing in on this @Deadshort480. I really appreciate everyone's input equally but having experience with oodles of glass helps more than having done hours of window shopping

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Cool! I trust your judgement, and I'll be happy as long as the bubbles consistently reach the uptake tubes. Looking forward to that function video. Thanks again for all the legwork!

Really the only way any adjustments can be made is by scaling the overall size down. Placement of the perc comes into play, but it comes into play depending on where the return comes back into the can. If you lower the perc to its lowest possible point above the return, you still need to have enough water to travel the uptake and fill the recycling chamber. All this water movement equals drag. Less drag in a Recycler means an overall smaller recycler. An overall smaller recycler usually equates to a poor vortex. It doesn't necessarily mean poor recycling function, but a poor vortex.

In all honesty, I've found that the more complex percs usually equate to functionality issues. An inline perc, simple Showerhead, or even a three hole diffy are all proven to work very well when it comes to a recycler.

Edit: Chug in a recycler can be completely eliminated by the perc that's used, but I've found that there will always be drag. My Gordo gridded up lines offer no chug, but my fritted Swagger has a significant amount of chug, which also has an effect on the vortex, but not in a completely bad way. Disc style percs usually have natural stem below them which chug.

Cannabis Connoisseur said:

http://instagram.com/p/tk-erggZcg/?modal=true

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That video is really sped up or is that just me? So I assume it turns really slow actually and the china one prbly won't turn at all..

I mean it's a dopeass concept, but more of a show off piece, like nectar collectors. Also my guess is they will be $70 at least if made in china since they will require more precise skills which only a few blowers there have. But nonetheless it could still be done, just small yield+high price. Some people will definitely buy that if there is a function video that shows that it works fairly well.

I wud def buy that if it functioned like that. Things cool af

I don't know if you guys bring up this perc because it's just badass or if you want to get the Chinese working on a copy.

I'm just here to inform you that Pukinbeagle has been working on that propeller perc for a looooong time to perfect it. You're talking about a very small family owned shop. They just got this Perc functional and working over the last 6 months or so.

I'm just saying that it would be a damn shame to copy this perc and try to Chinese glass it up already. At least give them the opportunity to sell some first.

That^^^


Edit: also @Deadshort480 i just wanted to tell you that your new pillar recycler is amazing!

Yeah I would probably put it further down on the list of to-be-done-stuff
btw. it be great if we could have like the first post of the thread to keep track of various projects, to-be-done stuff, currently in development stuff, recently released, past releases, so on..

VaPeD&CoNfUsEd said:

That^^^


Edit: also @Deadshort480 i just wanted to tell you that your new pillar recycler is amazing!

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Copying a design that is proven and has been around for awhile is one thing, but this perc is like Pukinbeagle's Magnum Opus and it shouldn't be attempted to be swept out from under them right after they've perfected it.

@VaPeD&CoNfUsEd The Pillar incycler is pretty awesome. I am in love with it!

Deadshort480 said:

Copying a design that is proven and has been around for awhile is one thing, but this perc is like Pukinbeagle's Magnum Opus and it shouldn't be attempted to be swept out from under them right after they've perfected it.

@VaPeD&CoNfUsEd The Pillar incycler is pretty awesome. I am in love with it!

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Agreed.

ya ok you just repeated yourself.. no need to go on the hardcore defense when someone just suggested something.. china won't make it for quite a while anyways... too complicated for not enough pay-off if it took them so long to fine tune it. I mean 3-d printed glass will come before perhaps, then you can fight the printers... jeeez..

VJJJV said:

I mean 3-d printed glass will come before perhaps, then you can fight the printers

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I've been keeping a close eye on the 3D printed glass technology - HP is getting close, but no word on what it can do (transparent? dunno).

I think 3D printed glass will revolutionize the waterpipe industry, but it won't replace it.

Do ya'll think it's worth getting one of those diffusion pumps just for shits and giggles, maybe flip it on craigslist if I don't like it with my vapes (Obviously I'd tell the buyer it's a knockoff, and NOT the original!)

Ratchett said:

I've been keeping a close eye on the 3D printed glass technology - HP is getting close, but no word on what it can do (transparent? dunno).

I think 3D printed glass will revolutionize the waterpipe industry, but it won't replace it.

Do ya'll think it's worth getting one of those diffusion pumps just for shits and giggles, maybe flip it on craigslist if I don't like it with my vapes (Obviously I'd tell the buyer it's a knockoff, and NOT the original!)

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Diffusion pump is the only one I've been very excited for. Seems like the perfect concentrates rig.

Deadshort480 said:

I don't know if you guys bring up this perc because it's just badass or if you want to get the Chinese working on a copy.

I'm just here to inform you that Pukinbeagle has been working on that propeller perc for a looooong time to perfect it. You're talking about a very small family owned shop. They just got this Perc functional and working over the last 6 months or so.

I'm just saying that it would be a damn shame to copy this perc and try to Chinese glass it up already. At least give them the opportunity to sell some first.

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I only bought it up because it's cool as hell! I don't think it should be copied. I honestly believe none of these pieces we suggest to the Chinese should be anyone's exclusive trademark or bread and butter

VJJJV said:

ya ok you just repeated yourself.. no need to go on the hardcore defense when someone just suggested something.. china won't make it for quite a while anyways... too complicated for not enough pay-off if it took them so long to fine tune it. I mean 3-d printed glass will come before perhaps, then you can fight the printers... jeeez..

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I was speaking to @VaPeD&CoNfUsEd, which is why I quoted him. Sometimes, I feel it's necessary to validate a statement after it has been stated. I also have some appreciation for the glass artists and not just the glass, which is why I'm giving some input about this particular perc and the folks who created it. I don't remeber being confrontational or argumentative, but you seem to get defensive instantly.

There's an option to block those you do not wish to see comments from. If the facts and opinions I provide are not to your liking then I suggest you use that option. Sometimes, I make too much sense and others don't like it.

Ratchett said:

Do ya'll think it's worth getting one of those diffusion pumps just for shits and giggles

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I'm wondering the same. Shouldn't it make our vapors taste a bit more pronounced since there is very little diffusion and some water recycling action.

How is the draw resistance on the Pump? It looks like you don't move a whole lot of water to get the piece primed.

Tweak said:

I'm wondering the same. Shouldn't it make our vapors taste a bit more pronounced since there is very little diffusion and some water recycling action.

How is the draw resistance on the Pump? It looks like you don't move a whole lot of water to get the piece primed.

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I suspect it'll definitely have good flavor with a vape, but I think it requires a hard draw at first to get it going

Tweak said:

I'm wondering the same. Shouldn't it make our vapors taste a bit more pronounced since there is very little diffusion and some water recycling action.

How is the draw resistance on the Pump? It looks like you don't move a whole lot of water to get the piece primed.

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It just needs a slight draw pressure (think sucking on a joint) at the beginning to get the pump going but not as much resistance once it's activated.