blankrider
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After Christmas
Custom Glass Ideas/Designs Thread
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Erwin
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Any dab rig with a matrix in it is going to be more a smoothness piece rather then a flavor savorer. The difference between the amount of diffusion in a single matrix vs a stereo matrix isn't enough to make all that much of a difference, though, really. The real trick to maintaining flavor in a piece with a lot of diffusion like this one is not giving the bubbles a chance to pop before they reach the arms. Most flavor loss with oil occurs when the bubbles pop, so if they get pulled directly into the tubes and go straight to the vortex you'll still manage to maintain a lot of flavor.
This is why I think the stereo matrix would be better for this recycler than a single matrix. There's more upward trajectory/higher individual bubbles stacking with a stereo matrix, so fewer bubbles popping in the can. It's true that there will be slightly more drag/chug, but the difference is minimal IMO, and the tradeoff is quite a bit more flavor and much more reliable recycling action. Plus, y'know, sexyness.
grdwaste
Glass Psycho
I love the idea! Never knew about the bubbles causing loss of flavor but doors make sense.I had a Möbius 65t JAG collab for a while but I hated the chug. Hopefully this won't be an issue with the wayyy smaller can. I know I'll end up buying it regardless lol. Thanks for clarifying that.Any dab rig with a matrix in it is going to be more a smoothness piece rather then a flavor savorer. The difference between the amount of diffusion in a single matrix vs a stereo matrix isn't enough to make all that much of a difference, though, really. The real trick to maintaining flavor in a piece with a lot of diffusion like this one is not giving the bubbles a chance to pop before they reach the arms. Most flavor loss with oil occurs when the bubbles pop, so if they get pulled directly into the tubes and go straight to the vortex you'll still manage to maintain a lot of flavor.
This is why I think the stereo matrix would be better for this recycler than a single matrix. There's more upward trajectory/higher individual bubbles stacking with a stereo matrix, so fewer bubbles popping in the can. It's true that there will be slightly more drag/chug, but the difference is minimal IMO, and the tradeoff is quite a bit more flavor and much more reliable recycling action. Plus, y'know, sexyness.
@blankrider ok at thanks! I'll be the first order hehe
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EverythingsHazy
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How much water did you use? I find that on stereo matrix pieces, people put a lot of water (covering the top matrix perc), but when you being to hit the piece, the water level rises. If you fill it just enough that the water level will rise about a cm or 2 above the top perc before the bubbles start to form when you hit it, it might feel better for you. That level is just under the bottom glass band in the top perc, when the piece is at rest. You can get the bubbles stacking all the way to the top of the can with that little water. It also conserves flavor vs using more water.I love the idea! Never knew about the bubbles causing loss of flavor but doors make sense.I had a Möbius 65t JAG collab for a while but I hated the chug. Hopefully this won't be an issue with the wayyy smaller can. I know I'll end up buying it regardless lol. Thanks for clarifying that.
@blankrider ok at thanks! I'll be the first order hehe
Do you guys have any other suggestions or ideas for new pieces, or improvements on current pieces?
grdwaste
Glass Psycho
I had the water levels right. I do insane amounts of research before I buy things usually and had all that figured out before I bought it. I should have specified. Its the INITIAL chug that I hated. I've reread some of these threads way too many times looking for anything I may have missed lol. Borderline obsession before I buy a new piece haha.
That's why I'm hesitant about this new stereo matrix recycler you guys are designing. I'm worried about the initial chug!
EverythingsHazy
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Yea, I wasn't saying you were doing it wrong, because people prefer different water levels. Just something I noticed. You can definitely feel more weight to the draw before the bubbles start forming when you use that extra inch or so of water. I think what you don't like is that chug in the beginning which is just how stereo matrix percs work, so in that case, water level wouldn't matter much. If the piece is going to be specifically for dabs, something like this might work as well. If not for this piece, for another.
Any dab rig with a matrix in it is going to be more a smoothness piece rather then a flavor savorer. The difference between the amount of diffusion in a single matrix vs a stereo matrix isn't enough to make all that much of a difference, though, really. The real trick to maintaining flavor in a piece with a lot of diffusion like this one is not giving the bubbles a chance to pop before they reach the arms. Most flavor loss with oil occurs when the bubbles pop, so if they get pulled directly into the tubes and go straight to the vortex you'll still manage to maintain a lot of flavor.
This is why I think the stereo matrix would be better for this recycler than a single matrix. There's more upward trajectory/higher individual bubbles stacking with a stereo matrix, so fewer bubbles popping in the can. It's true that there will be slightly more drag/chug, but the difference is minimal IMO, and the tradeoff is quite a bit more flavor and much more reliable recycling action. Plus, y'know, sexyness.
Have any of you guys tried Glycerine Based Cranberry Extract in your water? It seems to add a little to the stacking action of the bubbles, and by keeping the walls of the glass slick and wet the whole time, the bubbles can slide upwards more easily. It might help with getting the bubbles through the tubes... Just a thought. (It only takes 1-5 drops depending on your water volume, for it to work. You don't have to make the water pink/red).
Erwin
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Circle himself said that the proper level for the stereo matrix was just below the center line of the top perc, as long as there is no air caught in the lower chamber. I can confirm: works flawlessly on a Mobius stereo, and almost equally so on a GB-186.
Funny, I honestly love that slight initial chug followed by a smooth hit. It's like I'm firing up the perc and then it seems to just take over from there. Like kickstarting an engine. It's one of my favorite things about the stereo matrix...
Really goes to show how subjective this whole process is. Everybody likes different things about different pieces, which is something we all aught to keep in mind as we design glass together.
Admittedly, this design would be pretty awesome as well. Those dimensions were pretty much exactly what I was suggesting before @oli threw up the stereo matrix and I got infatuated and distracted. The stereo matrix would rip like a little recycler engine, which sounds great, but this guy would purr like a little recycler kitten, which also sounds pretty alright to me.Yea, I wasn't saying you were doing it wrong, because people prefer different water levels. Just something I noticed. You can definitely feel more weight to the draw before the bubbles start forming when you use that extra inch or so of water. I think what you don't like is that chug in the beginning which is just how stereo matrix percs work, so in that case, water level wouldn't matter much. If the piece is going to be specifically for dabs, something like this might work as well. If not for this piece, for another.
Hadn't heard about it till I found FC, and I've honestly been hesitant because I find the color in all the vids I've seen to be pretty off-putting... Really glad you mentioned that you can get the desired effect with so little. I think you've just sold me. I'll have to get some now.
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EverythingsHazy
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Circle himself said that the proper level for the stereo matrix was just below the center line of the top perc, as long as there is no air caught in the lower chamber. I can confirm: works flawlessly on a Mobius stereo, and almost equally so on a GB-186.
Funny, I honestly love that slight initial chug followed by a smooth hit. It's like I'm firing up the perc and then it seems to just take over from there. Like kickstarting an engine. It's one of my favorite things about the stereo matrix...
Really goes to show how subjective this whole process is. Everybody likes different things about different pieces, which is something we all aught to keep in mind as we design glass together.
Admittedly, this design would be pretty awesome as well. Those dimensions were pretty much exactly what I was suggesting before @oli threw up the stereo matrix and I got infatuated and distracted. The stereo matrix would rip like a little recycler engine, which sounds great, but this guy would purr like a little recycler kitten, which also sounds pretty alright to me.
Hadn't heard about it till I found FC, and I've honestly been hesitant because I find the color in all the vids I've seen to be pretty off-putting... Really glad you mentioned that you can get the desired effect with so little. I think you've just sold me. I'll have to get some now.
The stereo one that's a bit bigger, and has an external joint vs one down the center of the can, is nice, and would work well for flowers probably too, but this one is more dab specific. It doesn't have too much space for a huge clear, but that's fine with dabs. It pretty much would just cool the vapor down a good amount before inhaling it.
As for cranberry extract, I was turned off by the pink bong water too. Kinda kills the whole clear piece look IMO. If you have a colored piece, it would look cool, but I prefer the water to be clear.
Three drops of Nature's Answer Cranberry Extract (Alcohol free), is definitely enough for very noticeable results. The entire can and percs stay clean and shiny, and the joint/neck can be quickly scrubbed with a small brush and rinsed out. No need for a salt and Iso wash for several days.
I definitely would give it a shot. It also keeps the piece smelling less since the walls of the can, which are the biggest dry surface, stay clean.
A quick shake, or hard (no vapor) draw to wet the neck, and slow exhale into the piece to get the water to rise up the joint, is good for wetting the dry parts between hits if you want as well. Makes them fog up a little less.
One ounce of extract gives you ~280 water changes on a piece that uses as much water as the gb-186.
grdwaste
Glass Psycho
Yea, I wasn't saying you were doing it wrong, because people prefer different water levels. Just something I noticed. You can definitely feel more weight to the draw before the bubbles start forming when you use that extra inch or so of water. I think what you don't like is that chug in the beginning which is just how stereo matrix percs work, so in that case, water level wouldn't matter much. If the piece is going to be specifically for dabs, something like this might work as well. If not for this piece, for another.
Have any of you guys tried Glycerine Based Cranberry Extract in your water? It seems to add a little to the stacking action of the bubbles, and by keeping the walls of the glass slick and wet the whole time, the bubbles can slide upwards more easily. It might help with getting the bubbles through the tubes... Just a thought. (It only takes 1-5 drops depending on your water volume, for it to work. You don't have to make the water pink/red).
Really does show the difference in peoples preferences. I like a dragless hit from start to finish normally. Hopefully they'll make both modelsCircle himself said that the proper level for the stereo matrix was just below the center line of the top perc, as long as there is no air caught in the lower chamber. I can confirm: works flawlessly on a Mobius stereo, and almost equally so on a GB-186.
Funny, I honestly love that slight initial chug followed by a smooth hit. It's like I'm firing up the perc and then it seems to just take over from there. Like kickstarting an engine. It's one of my favorite things about the stereo matrix...
Really goes to show how subjective this whole process is. Everybody likes different things about different pieces, which is something we all aught to keep in mind as we design glass together.
Admittedly, this design would be pretty awesome as well. Those dimensions were pretty much exactly what I was suggesting before @oli threw up the stereo matrix and I got infatuated and distracted. The stereo matrix would rip like a little recycler engine, which sounds great, but this guy would purr like a little recycler kitten, which also sounds pretty alright to me.
Hadn't heard about it till I found FC, and I've honestly been hesitant because I find the color in all the vids I've seen to be pretty off-putting... Really glad you mentioned that you can get the desired effect with so little. I think you've just sold me. I'll have to get some now.
blankrider
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OK folks, I am posting this now even though it will not be ready for sale until early 2015. Here is the finished version of the diffusion pump. There will be 50 produced for the first run. Not 100% sure of the price yet but should be under $50.
Cool!OK folks, I am posting this now even though it will not be ready for sale until early 2015. Here is the finished version of the diffusion pump. There will be 50 produced for the first run. Not 100% sure of the price yet but should be under $50.
I'm ready to send my money.
grdwaste
Glass Psycho
OK folks, I am posting this now even though it will not be ready for sale until early 2015. Here is the finished version of the diffusion pump. There will be 50 produced for the first run. Not 100% sure of the price yet but should be under $50.
I put $50 aside
Erwin
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OK folks, I am posting this now even though it will not be ready for sale until early 2015. Here is the finished version of the diffusion pump. There will be 50 produced for the first run. Not 100% sure of the price yet but should be under $50.
MinnBobber
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Ok, for someone not familiar with a diffusion pump piece, what are it's strengths and weaknesses?
I want max flavor, flowers only, minimal diffusion, moisturize the vapor, don't need much cooling effect.
With this vapor path it appears to focus on cooling?? and minimal water contact so little moisturizing??
thanks for a summary description
Monsoon
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OK folks, I am posting this now even though it will not be ready for sale until early 2015. Here is the finished version of the diffusion pump. There will be 50 produced for the first run. Not 100% sure of the price yet but should be under $50.
Fucking beautiful! Definitely down for one or two when it's released especially at that price point. It looks like it has a wider base than mine which would be nice since it's easy to tip over (so many close calls). Also the diameter of the mouthpiece tube seems to be a bit wider so it should provide a slightly different hit compared to the original. I'll make sure to do a full comparison review in the review thread whenever it finds its way into my hands.
Unless you're vaping straight from a bag, I'd skip it. It's mainly a dabbing piece that performs best with as little restriction as possible. You also need to apply a minimum level of suction to activate the pump which makes it harder for slow draws which are needed for some vapes.
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I use every water piece with my EVO, do you think this isn't a good piece for the EVO @Monsoon? I don't care about dabbing just variety. Also did the last video of the new replica have enough water inn your opinion? And is the ball supposed to roll back and forth or be pulled to the top of its chamber like in the video? Im in for two myself!! May as well get it while the getting is good!
Monsoon
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There's enough water in it and the higher angled mouthpiece tube will eliminate splashback even with the water line in the bulb part. I'm not sure on the particulars of how a check valve works, but mine spins. The one in the video seems to work okay though so I'm not sure how much it actually matters.
edit: Actually it looks like there's a tad too much water in it for the test but the optimal level in the piece itself looks right (if that makes sense).
I rarely vape flowers anymore but I just did a test with a VXN hit with a whip to the Diffusion Pump and it worked well. It might work okay for flowers, but for me the only piece that's worked well is the Mobius Matrix Clear. I'm sure someone here can get it to work to their satisfaction, I'm just picky with how I medicate
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Helloo there.. 
what a sexy piece that is 
I will make so much sweet love with that beauty.. 
ChiefKeefe
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Did a water vid of the fc-187 ever get posted?
grdwaste
Glass Psycho
That's my concern. I really would like one of the 50! Hopefully we'all all be satisfied. Can't wait to put this in my dab rotation!! Thanks for making this happen @blankrider. Got me a bad case of Holiday GAS
MuushuPork
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Not sure if its been posted already but whats the joint size? I have a 14mm male enano gong and would love to get one of these for concentrates.OK folks, I am posting this now even though it will not be ready for sale until early 2015. Here is the finished version of the diffusion pump. There will be 50 produced for the first run. Not 100% sure of the price yet but should be under $50.
Monsoon
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It's a 14mm male joint so you'll need a 14mm female to 14mm female adapter to get it to work.
MuushuPork
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Ok thx! Will this thread be updated when it goes live on dhgate?
Monsoon
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It's not expected until the New Year, but it will be hard to miss if you follow this thread.