Discontinued Minicron, Minicron Lite and Ophos Oil Vaporizers

SamuraiSam

SamuraiSam

Extraction Technician
Jerrymech said:
As others have said it is not as simple as you claim to achieve clouds with the Ti. At all. That's my opinion.

Funny because you claim that it's simple to get clouds while at the same time conceding that there IS a trade off of quality vs quantity.

And the quantity vs quality comparison doesn't really work in this situation. They are not mutually exclusive. There doesn't necessarily need to be a trade off. With Ti you were able to improve the quality (which I said in my post). However as you concede, the quantity decreased. Ideally your product would be able to deliver quantity AND quality....not one or the other.
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Could you elaborate? What didn't look "simple" about the operation of the Titanium coil KISS globe in the video I posted? I'm pretty sure I exhaled some vapor that many people would describe as a "cloud" and I can't think of a way that it would have been any simpler to get: I pushed the button, got vapor, and inhaled. I didn't have to plan a mode of attack or pulse a button or do anything that seemed "hard" to me. Are you sure you aren't inhaling too strongly?
 
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THC SCIENTIFIC

THC SCIENTIFIC

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Jerrymech said:
I did read your post. But your explanation doesn't change mine and others experiences. I've used many of your products. I'm going to have my own opinions about your product.

As others have said it is not as simple as you claim to achieve clouds with the Ti. At all. That's my opinion.

Funny because you claim that it's simple to get clouds while at the same time conceding that there IS a trade off of quality vs quantity.

And the quantity vs quality comparison doesn't really work in this situation. They are not mutually exclusive. There doesn't necessarily need to be a trade off. With Ti you were able to improve the quality (which I said in my post). However as you concede, the quantity decreased. Ideally your product would be able to deliver quantity AND quality....not one or the other.
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You might be reading it but not fully understanding.

The trade off is only true if given a certain time frame.


Example when you compare cloud production between our Ni and Ti coils with black ceramic for the given time of 7 seconds seconds. The Ni coil would produce more vapor at the expense of taste.

Now when you compare vapor production with vapor production for a longer time lets say 25 seconds

The Ni will still produce clouds but it will start tasting burnt while the TI will match the cloud production but with better taste.

I hope this makes sense.
 
Enchantre

Enchantre

Oil Painter
SamuraiSam said:
Could you elaborate? What didn't look "simple" about the operation of the Titanium coil KISS globe in the video I posted? I'm pretty sure I exhaled some vapor that many people would describe as a "cloud" and I can't think of a way that it would have been any simpler to get: I pushed the button, got vapor, and inhaled. I didn't have to plan a mode of attack or pulse a button or do anything that seemed "hard" to me. Are you sure you aren't inhaling too strongly?
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That vid helped me, anyway. I had no idea that I could hold the button longer with the Ti coil in the globe... I was pulsing, and not really enjoying it.

Thanks!
 
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Enchantre said:
That vid helped me, anyway. I had no idea that I could hold the button longer with the Ti coil in the globe... I was pulsing, and not really enjoying it.

Thanks!
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Glad the video helped. I was surprised that @SamuraiSam was sleeping on the video and not posting it. But big thanks to show the Ti in action.
 
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Jerrymech

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I love the Okeanos!!! Amazing design and build quality. Can't wait to see the next version. For now I'm loving mine.

So is the cartridge that comes with this black ceramic with nichrome coil? Can I buy a kiss cartridge like that?
 
mixchu69

mixchu69

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THC SCIENTIFIC said:
There is a difference between hybrid vapor and pure vapor.

The best I can do is explain why we choose the black ceramic over the white.

First size matters.

The white ceramic is smaller and heats up faster. The down side is it doesn't abosrb a lot of oil and needs to be constantly messed with.

The black ceramic is larger and absorbs more oil, this makes the heater work differently where it needs more time to Heat up.

The trade off is you would need to do an extra heat up time before you start getting larger clouds.


Now you may ask why we did this. Well because we believe taste and purity of the vapor is more important then the quantity of vapor. Specially if you spend an extra heat cycle you would receive the same amount of vapor as the white ceramic without the bad tasting drawbacks of the white ceramic.


The black ceramic and the Ti wire are engineered to work together and make sure the wire heats up slow so that it doesn't get to hot and burn the oil.

Few people will ask burn oil? Yes it is possible. It isn't the oil you are burning but the impurities. When you allow the coils to get red hot your not only vaporizing but also burning impurities and causing hybrid vapor.


Now when you take into account the black ceramics size and the Ti coil it heats up slower and essentially heating up the whole rod and providing better tasting vapor.


While you can provide more voltage for the bigger clouds the purity drops as the coils get hotter.

Once you know how to properly use the black ceramic kiss carts you will be much happier.


Give it time and you'll see other manufacturers switching over to the black ceramic. Then claiming they revolutionized the industry.

Just like everyone that started claiming they revelutionized the industry with their ceramic discs not realizing this Is based on our old universe cartridge design.


Smh.
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That is what I like about the black ceramic, it is a sponge that requires a lil extra heat up time for the clouds. The question is, when do I need to reload. I still have lite vapor after finishing with large clouds that is tasteful. Since it is absorbing everything, I always wonder when to add more. Even when I used most of the oil, the light vapor is still tasty, not like burnt metallic. That is why I like the black ceramic. It uses the philosophy that Dr Dabber tried to market (vaporize at lower temp and don't burn the oil).

However, I think this works well only if you have large lung capacity or warm it up with some pulses before the first hit.
 
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StormyPinkness

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Jerrymech said:
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I love the Okeanos!!! Amazing design and build quality. Can't wait to see the next version. For now I'm loving mine.

So is the cartridge that comes with this black ceramic with nichrome coil? Can I buy a kiss cartridge like that?
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I don't think you can order just a replacement, but you can use other kiss cartridges. I used a backup cart for some dirtier wax and it worked fine. I'm not sure if the kiss carts you order now come with black or white wicks. I do love the black wicks though, they just work better with any wax I've tried. I also love the okeanos on a minicron lite, looks absurd.
 
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DaNi_DuB

DaNi_DuB

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Has anyone rebuilt a kiss globe coil? Curious how similar it is to the regular kiss carts.
 
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StormyPinkness

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DaNi_DuB said:
Has anyone rebuilt a kiss globe coil? Curious how similar it is to the regular kiss carts.
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I think I remember someone saying they rebuilt one for 7.4 on the persei thread.

EDIT: And I just saw you got answered on the persei thread. Derp.
 
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DMPesso

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Can anyone tell me if the kiss cart on the minicron lite is smaller then the dr dabber and dabbler? I lIke the minicron lite and kiss cart but what I don't like is that I can only add 2-3 big hits worth in it without clogging it. The only reason I'm even looking at another pen like those is because I need something with a larger capacity while I'm on the go but still small like a pen style. I have the cera too and it just sits here and collects dust. someone tell me honestly what's so special about it? I really regret purchasing it it's annoying to keep pressing the button and it doesn't even taste all that special. I was so mad when they came out with the Luna since it looks wayyy better
 
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lonelyhero

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DMPesso said:
Can anyone tell me if the kiss cart on the minicron lite is smaller then the dr dabber and dabbler? I lIke the minicron lite and kiss cart but what I don't like is that I can only add 2-3 big hits worth in it without clogging it. The only reason I'm even looking at another pen like those is because I need something with a larger capacity while I'm on the go but still small like a pen style. I have the cera too and it just sits here and collects dust. someone tell me honestly what's so special about it? I really regret purchasing it it's annoying to keep pressing the button and it doesn't even taste all that special. I was so mad when they came out with the Luna since it looks wayyy better
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you might want to look into the essential oil carts
http://www.w9tech.com/essential-oil-vaporizer-cartridge/ry easy

they're a little bit trickier than the kiss to load but they hold .7 to 1.g pretty easy once you get used to loading em they're very nice and can last a long while depending on your usage
 
mixchu69

mixchu69

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Ok. I screwed up on my first loading. I'm using a 2.4 on my omicron lite and I think I heated it too quickly. I followed the spinning technique, holding the bottom of the EO cart and heating the funnel tool and upper half of the EO cart using a bic lighter but every time I try to hit it, I get extremely whispy hits with my omi lite. I try hitting it like I hit the kiss carts, which work great. Is it because I used the minimum of .5 gram of shatter? Or was it because I heated it too quickly? I tried pausing during the heating technique. I know the 2.4 is not for clouds but I can barely see the vapor. Tastes fine. But when I hold it longer or use extra 3second pulses, it starts to get a burnt taste. It was typical shatter. I think it is because I used the minimum.


Any suggestions would help? Should I throw some more shatter? I don't want to waste it ( I like concept of loading .5 at a time) when the kiss tastes great. If it works where I get it to give me lite clouds, I would definitely throw more in.
 
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DMPesso

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lonelyhero said:
you might want to look into the essential oil carts
http://www.w9tech.com/essential-oil-vaporizer-cartridge/ry easy

they're a little bit trickier than the kiss to load but they hold .7 to 1.g pretty easy once you get used to loading em they're very nice and can last a long while depending on your usage
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Yes that's the thing those style carts are bigger I like the discreet pen that just has a bigger chamber and ease of use. I hope someone can chime in in regards to the size of the atomizer and how much oil the kiss cart can hold compared to the dabbler or dr dabber
 
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lonelyhero

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The size difference between the EO carts and the kiss carts is minor maybe half an inch, its literally just a length of the drip tip, so a minor size increase for a major capacity upgrade.

As for the amount a kiss can hold it would be about the same as any of the exposed coil type heaters you've seen, The instructions say you can add up to .3, but it makes it very very messy, leaky, and you just end up scooping all the oil back up onto the coil anyway.

edit: Also mixchu id be willing to bet you didn't heat it enough, i use a hand held torch with a hot air attachment to heat em slowly and evenly. It sounds like your oil didn't all make it to the bottom and isn't making it into the lower chamber. Before i bought the persei/herc i noticed id have to re-prime my eo carts once a week or so, once id used a bunch of oil the rest would be stuck up higher in the chamber and id have to heat it to re-prime and get it to the bottom again.
 
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mixchu69

mixchu69

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DMPesso said:
Yes that's the thing those style carts are bigger I like the discreet pen that just has a bigger chamber and ease of use. I hope someone can chime in in regards to the size of the atomizer and how much oil the kiss cart can hold compared to the dabbler or dr dabber
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lonelyhero said:
The size difference between the EO carts and the kiss carts is minor maybe half an inch, its literally just a length of the drip tip, so a minor size increase for a major capacity upgrade.

As for the amount a kiss can hold it would be about the same as any of the exposed coil type heaters you've seen, The instructions say you can add up to .3, but it makes it very very messy, leaky, and you just end up scooping all the oil back up onto the coil anyway.

edit: Also mixchu id be willing to bet you didn't heat it enough, i use a hand held torch with a hot air attachment to heat em slowly and evenly. It sounds like your oil didn't all make it to the bottom and isn't making it into the lower chamber. Before
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lonelyhero said:
The size difference between the EO carts and the kiss carts is minor maybe half an inch, its literally just a length of the drip tip, so a minor size increase for a major capacity upgrade.

As for the amount a kiss can hold it would be about the same as any of the exposed coil type heaters you've seen, The instructions say you can add up to .3, but it makes it very very messy, leaky, and you just end up scooping all the oil back up onto the coil anyway.

edit: Also mixchu id be willing to bet you didn't heat it enough, i use a hand held torch with a hot air attachment to heat em slowly and evenly. It sounds like your oil didn't all make it to the bottom and isn't making it into the lower chamber. Before i bought the persei/herc i noticed id have to re-prime my eo carts once a week or so, once id used a bunch of oil the rest would be stuck up higher in the chamber and id have to heat it to re-prime and get it to the bottom again.
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i tried heating the upper half of the EO carts while spinning, and using the funnel. I think my problem is using the minimum of .5 grams or I heated it too quickly. However, I will try what you suggested (that is why I love the FC community). I have read heating it too quickly will cause problems. I don't understand why. I wasn't torching, but slowly using a bic. Using 3.7v, what is your inhale technique. I do the same as kiss carts, three seconds on then three seconds off, while hitting it like a joint (light inhale).
 
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lonelyhero

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On the ophos I'd hold it the entire 7 second timer wait a few second and do another 7 second then cool it down with a few hits not pressing the button
 
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DMPesso

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I definitely don't have access to oil like that to be buying a pen that holds minimum .5 grams. I don't smoke it THAT much but I wish the kiss cart really did hold .3 without making the worst mess then it would be the best. These pens are literally good for one session and that's it
 
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lonelyhero

lonelyhero

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idk in my area oil is about 60-80 per gram (i make my own to ease cost burdens) and i understand minimum .5 sounds crazy but in EO carts that gram can last weeks if your not a heavy user my first gram lasted me about 2 months of nightly use and a decent amount of passing around to friends so its actually pretty conservative

the number one tip i can give about the eo carts is once the hits start getting smaller re prime it and you'll get clouds for a long while again i did this once a week or so to make sure the oil was sitting at the bottom where it should
 
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DMPesso

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So these require a minimum of .5 in it to function sort of like the cera ? Doesn't sound too appealing. Do they last longer because the kiss cart I had just died out on me in under 3 weeks of not that much use which I find very weird. And so what's the smallest pen I could use the tanks on?
 
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pakalolo

pakalolo

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DMPesso said:
So these require a minimum of .5 in it to function sort of like the cera ? Doesn't sound too appealing. Do they last longer because the kiss cart I had just died out on me in under 3 weeks of not that much use which I find very weird. And so what's the smallest pen I could use the tanks on?
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I don't normally weigh how much I put in my O-PHOS, but I'm certain it's a lot less than .5g. I think somebody misplaced a decimal point, because .05g is about what I'd guess I use.
 
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pakalolo its not a miss-placed decimal its a different oil cartridge the ophos comes with a kiss cart witch is a load as you go type of cart youd load a tiny amount in hit once or twice and refil the ones im talking about are the essential oil carts they can hold up to 1g and you can get as many as 400, 7 second hits out of that 1g it took me over a month to go through 1g in an eo hitting it several times a night and passing it around quite a bit its very conservative and you go through oil alot slower than a kiss cart in my experience ive since moved on to the persei/herc witch is an entirely different beast but if you want to load somthign once and not worry the EO carts are best
 
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420time

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im more interested in the eo carts that were suppose to be made to hold .5g of oil. its the eo carts but shorter. havent seen any news on that at all.
 
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pakalolo

pakalolo

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lonelyhero said:
pakalolo its not a miss-placed decimal its a different oil cartridge the ophos comes with a kiss cart witch is a load as you go type of cart youd load a tiny amount in hit once or twice and refil the ones im talking about are the essential oil carts they can hold up to 1g and you can get as many as 400, 7 second hits out of that 1g it took me over a month to go through 1g in an eo hitting it several times a night and passing it around quite a bit its very conservative and you go through oil alot slower than a kiss cart in my experience ive since moved on to the persei/herc witch is an entirely different beast but if you want to load somthign once and not worry the EO carts are best
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Oops! Well colour me educated. :D I'm clearly not too familiar with all the variations that are possible with these things, the number of which appears to border on infinity. Thanks Obama.
 
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