Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

SteadyChiefin

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Another couple of questions from the Canuck . . .

First some background:

The only vape I've ever owned is the Pax. I've had it since September, 2012. It converted me to vaping for sure, as I have not combusted since I owned it. I chose it above others because my #1 priority is stealth. For me, my vape has to be small (pocketable) and discreet.

My biggest gripes about the Pax are the high maintenance factor, and the low efficiency. This thing requires a lot of cleaning to keep it going, and the cleaning isn't terribly easy either, as you can't really get down into the outside of the vapor tube, where all the gunk tends to collect. There's also the mouthpiece lube. Oy.

On the other hand, it totally satisfies my need for stealth, and I've found it to be very reliable, as long as I keep the up the required cleanings. Ease of use is another strength that I appreciate.

It also seems to use more flowers than it should. This hasn't been a deal breaker for me, since I'm a pretty light user. I typically only have one session in a day, and only 2-3 sessions per week, and a single session (for me) only constitutes 2-3 hits. My use is a little heavier if I'm on holidays or something, but I can't remember the last time I had more than 3 sessions in a day.

So, I've been on the lookout for a replacement for the Pax that matches it in terms of stealth, and size, but requires less maintenance, and is more efficient. I also want something with high build-quality, that is reliable and easy to use.

I think I may have found the answer in the Crafty. I'm an iPhone user, so the use of the app for changing the settings is not an issue for me. The only other drawback seems to be battery life, but that is a non-issue for me as well, as I am already accustomed to charging my Pax every 2-3 sessions. The way I use it, I can't imagine ever being stuck in a position where I would kill the battery of the Crafty before having a chance to charge it.

I've read this whole thread over the last couple of days, and am getting pretty serious about purchasing a Crafty.

The maintenance of this vape has been covered very well.

I haven't seen very many direct comparisons of the Pax and the Crafty. So, for anyone out there who has owned both, I would very much like to hear your comparison of the two. I'm interested in all observations you may have, but I am particularly interested in a comparison of the Crafty's efficiency as compared to that of the Pax. Does it get you just as high, just as often, while using up less of your stash than the Pax does?

Thanks!

Droog,

The Crafty outperforms the PAX in pretty much all aspects. Vapor quality, vapor density, precise heat settings, ease of cleaning, and efficiency. While the Crafty is not quite as portable, it's still pretty small and will give you what you're looking for. There's less draw resistance on the Crafty, so taking longer draws is easier than with the PAX.

The PAX is great, but if you're looking for the latest and greatest, go with the Crafty.

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GR

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yeahh you are right i am comparing it to my desktop...
and yes it tastes better then the pax... but my cera (which has a great learning curve as drawback and missing discreetness) and my lotus (the first draws, also drawback is here discreetness) taste also better then the crafty... but maybe i have to give the crafty and me more time for our relation... and have to experiment more with it (especially temps.)

by the way i also have heard the firefly is tasting very good (does it taste better then your crafty?)

Many have reported the first couple of bowls on a clean cooling unit and/or new unit taste bland and the clouds seem small. I remember being under whelmed my first couple of bowls.

I have the Mighty so I have temp on board but I like to start in the 350-362f range for some great flavor, then bump to 375 for flavor/cloud, then 380 on up to take some big hits. Only time I go over 400 is at night and usually through water.
 

btka

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Photo seems to show metal airpath (where I can see), with plastic all around airpath (isolating I suppose)
you mean this metal part going threw the pcb is the "air intake"... don t think so..

in my opinion this is the "air intake..."

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kkoil1

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Does anyone know if unit is compatible with the LG G2? It's not on the compatible list i know that... just wondering what anyone else' g2 experience was.
 
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Ricchini

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Man it kills me to see my digital Volcano on eBay, but I'm making the switch over to the Crafty.

The bowl on the Crafty seems to have the usual Storz and Bickel heft. To Crafty owners, is the bowl's diameter comparable to.... a US nickel, or a quarter? I'm trying to get a visual frame of reference.

Anyways, I like how the EVO's elbs are tall and cylindrical, you don't have to pack a ton at all because the diameter of the ELB shaft is probably smaller than a dime. When you start making the bowl the size of Volcano's solid valve, or like the size of a US quarter, it's tough to really enjoy the vapor unless you pack it up fairly sufficiently.

I'm not good with weights, I don't weigh my packs, so I can't objectively compare the difference. I think you can pack less in an ELB and get a more satisfying rip, where as packing the Cano took 3x the amount of material to really enjoy the experience.

I could be totally off base, I'm hoping (and I suspect) the crafty will blow me away. I have been hitting portables since the original iolites. Got-me-a-job and bought the Digi-Cano, loved every toke out of it. I'm really excited to hit the Crafty. I'm coming from the origins of small size, draw restricted vapes, to the culmination; Volcano Desktop Vapor meets Stealth Portable Experience with the ability to draw effortlessly.

One day I'm going to turn a fitting out of stainless steel, bore a hole through the middle and give you the ability to use a modified ELB instead of packing that fat Storz chamber. I think we'd be in the ultimate happy place.
 
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t-dub

Vapor Sloth
The bowl on the Crafty seems to have the usual Storz and Bickel heft. To Crafty owners, is the bowl's diameter comparable to.... a US nickel, or a quarter?
If you put a nickel in there flat it covers the entire top of the filling chamber perfectly. If you are talking about the area that you can actually load its less than dime sized.
 
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mrweed

vaporizer review blogger
okay recieved my crafty yesterday and actually I'm disappointed... feels a bit cheap and of course the app doesn't work with my iphone. I can't save the serial number and make a connection with my crafty! Is that a common problem and is there a solution for it?! the manual says ios 6 or higher, that's what I have.
 
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oli

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While we're on the subject : A Euro comparison with a 1 Cent coin

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The cent is just a little bigger!, take away the outer ledge and we're there :)

Sorry mods, Just realised the double post! If this happens again, is it better to delete the post and paste it whith the one above and leave this one blank or is there another solution apart from been carefull not to do it?

mod note: That solution is fine. You can also just leave them. In both cases you should report one of them so that we can merge them. Thanks for your concern.

The E mod definitely seems like the choice I want to go with. Much cleaner and official looking. Thanks for all the help by the way. Can you possibly send me a link of what I need to buy to make the E mod work? I take it that I need to buy a seperate cooling chamber and attach a glass stem to the mouthpiece connection? Seems simple enough for me UNTIL I read on the link you sent that the guy used JB WELD or something like that. I don't wanna do anything too hard or technical so if you can give me some Step by step instructions on how to do it that would be greatly appreciated since im a real noob wit this stuff

Hey, here they are but you know that on top of every page you have a search option and that is how I find these:

All relevant info regarding the E mod

1. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-mighty-by-storz-bickel.16000/page-35#post-697480
2. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-mighty-by-storz-bickel.16000/page-38#post-700779
3. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-mighty-by-storz-bickel.16000/page-38#post-700905
4. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-mighty-by-storz-bickel.16000/page-38#post-700934

and if you want to take the fun further:

5. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-crafty-by-storz-bickel.15984/page-95#post-706930
6. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-crafty-by-storz-bickel.15984/page-95#post-707111
7. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-crafty-by-storz-bickel.15984/page-95#post-707674


NB: Anyway The first time I attempted to produce the Emod it was a sunday and I did not have everything on hand so I went on using a glue gun to attach the glass to the pastic, it worked for a while till it got to hot and fell away ( I have a vid showing that funny moment)

The second time after a trip to the shop where I bought some other type of JB weld (don't have it over here), on the box it said up 150° I was a little suspicious but I thought, well it must work!!, well it did till I tried to exit the mod after a hot sesh, and guess what, I was left with the glass part with the glue in my hand and the pastic still lodge in the Crafty, damn!

The thrid time, I used this product and it works great!!! It did take 3 days to be fully dried!!

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scottg402

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okay recieved my crafty yesterday and actually I'm disappointed... feels a bit cheap and of course the app doesn't work with my iphone. I can't save the serial number and make a connection with my crafty! Is that a common problem and is there a solution for it?! the manual says ios 6 or higher, that's what I have.
Yes I agree, the plastic was a big turn off for me as well (especially at this price point). However it doesn't perform like it's "cheap" and if you are like me, it will quickly get your mind past the plastic once you get to using it. Also you need to run a few loads through it before the plastic taste disappears (which was also an unfavorable first impression for me) but after that you shouldn't notice.

As for your Apple connection, I'm sorry but I cannot help you there. I regularly refer to them as CrApple. Call me an Android fanboy if you must, I just can't stand their products. Good luck with that! :D
 

h3rbalist

I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too
No need to take plate off, just slide back and pull apart.
After I slide the plate towards the mouthpiece, the next step is to take that plate off right? It feels like I'm going to break it if I pull any harder. Thanks in advance for the help!

I remove the plate and leave to one side when cleaning the cooling unit, because I don't want to expose the 3d hologram to ISO or warm water.

Scared it might get damaged and/or come away.

I use my fingernail to unhook one side of the plate then pivot the plate and it comes off easy.
No forcing.
 
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mrweed

vaporizer review blogger
As for your Apple connection, I'm sorry but I cannot help you there. I regularly refer to them as CrApple. Call me an Android fanboy if you must, I just can't stand their products. Good luck with that! :D

yes, but that's the real issue for me. it's pretty much useless without the app, for now. I mean it's just another two temp preset vaporizer and only one temperature works fine for me, like this. i'm not a apple fanboy (but a storz & bickel...), but that's what I have right now and it doesn't work as advertised.
At the moment, I'm regretting that I didn't stick with the Mighty.

edit: okay... found out what the problem is and that doesn't amuse me at all: iphone4s or higher. i just have an iphone 4 :(
manual says ios 6 or higher, their website says iphone4s or higher. shit
 
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Volteric

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yes, but that's the real issue for me. it's pretty much useless without the app, for now. I mean it's just another two temp preset vaporizer and only one temperature works fine for me, like this. i'm not a apple fanboy (but a storz & bickel...), but that's what I have right now and it doesn't work as advertised.
At the moment, I'm regretting that I didn't stick with the Mighty.

edit: okay... found out what the problem is and that doesn't amuse me at all: iphone4s or higher. i just have an iphone 4 :(
manual says ios 6 or higher, their website says iphone4s or higher. shit

That really sucks. I'd appeal to their good graces. Maybe they would take back of you buy the Mighty? Or just accept a return for the confusion.
 
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skydog

Member
yes, but that's the real issue for me. it's pretty much useless without the app, for now. I mean it's just another two temp preset vaporizer and only one temperature works fine for me, like this. i'm not a apple fanboy (but a storz & bickel...), but that's what I have right now and it doesn't work as advertised.
At the moment, I'm regretting that I didn't stick with the Mighty.

edit: okay... found out what the problem is and that doesn't amuse me at all: iphone4s or higher. i just have an iphone 4 :(
manual says ios 6 or higher, their website says iphone4s or higher. shit
Same issue here. The AppStore page says it should work on an iPad, but my iPad 2 won't connect or even detect the Crafty in the Bluetooth settings or app.

What's the cheapest, low end Android that works with this, assuming I want to pick up a used device strictly for this unit? I'm not interested in migrating from my prepaid Nokia as a phone.
 
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OMEiAM

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Same issue here. The AppStore page says it should work on an iPad, but my iPad 2 won't connect or even detect the Crafty in the Bluetooth settings or app.

What's the cheapest, low end Android that works with this, assuming I want to pick up a used device strictly for this unit? I'm not interested in migrating from my prepaid Nokia as a phone.
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Moto...id=1419090903&sr=1-1&keywords=motorola+moto+g

A decent Android smartphone on Amazon for less than $200 off contract.
 
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mrweed

vaporizer review blogger
Same issue here. The AppStore page says it should work on an iPad, but my iPad 2 won't connect or even detect the Crafty in the Bluetooth settings or app.

What's the cheapest, low end Android that works with this, assuming I want to pick up a used device strictly for this unit? I'm not interested in migrating from my prepaid Nokia as a phone.

needs bluetooth low energy support and android 4.3 or higher

but for me buying a smartphone just for this purpose is not an option. I guess, I rather have to stick with my friends phones

but you're right. appstore says "Requires iOS 6.1 or later. Compatible with iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch. This app is optimized for iPhone 5."
that's very fucked up, since this is where I've checked the compatibility of my phone indeed
 

skydog

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OMEiAM

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Thanks! $179 is still a bit steep for just one app. Would the Boost Mobile version of the Moto G (~$69) work if I don't plan to actually make calls on it and just use the Bluetooth and Wifi?
That phone has Bluetooth 4.0 so it should work.
 
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queefermadness

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Look for a phone with a cracked screen or something broke that won't effect using the app. These can often be found cheap. I have a 2 year old droid RAZR m, app works fine with it, these are pretty cheap also
 
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Smknbud

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edit: okay... found out what the problem is and that doesn't amuse me at all: iphone4s or higher. i just have an iphone 4 :(
manual says ios 6 or higher, their website says iphone4s or higher. shit

App store is a bit misleading in that the 'compatibility' section doesn't say 4s and above but the 'description' section clearly states 4s and above, but you would only see that line if you expand the 'description' content to see it in it's entirety. 'Compatibility' section needs better clarification without a doubt.
 
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