PPN
Volute of Vapor
Go for the HA!
This vape convert me to vapor and even if I own several other vapes it's one of the tastier and reliability and durability is exceptionnal, I start most of my days with a nice HA's bowl!
Discontinued herbalAire
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Go for the HA!
This vape convert me to vapor and even if I own several other vapes it's one of the tastier and reliability and durability is exceptionnal, I start most of my days with a nice HA's bowl!
Agree with this! The HA is an amazing vape that often gets forgotten.
PPN
Volute of Vapor
Yes and I don't understand some bad reviews about it....
cornwalis
Member
I had a 2.1 it went to a friend.
Was looking for new desk top whip no glas as I smash it fast does not last long in my hands as much as I love the volcano too dam expensive and I was used my 2.1 In my truck with an inverter direct draw no straw most the time if you put the spare mouth pece and straw stays pretty cool. I also like to use the big mouth pieces on the bags instead on the black ones Clamp better bags don't bunch up as bad and cut the straws in half less straw less vapor condensing onto the straws and the big white mp don't build up heat as bad And Clamp better to bags too I've got a few old one in a box With no screens Had to keep um never know.eh
it's been gone for a week now I ran out bought a 2.2 seems to run a hell of a lot better than my 2.1 I'd draw mad hard on it and the heating light come on the 2.2 stays green All the time. I got sum tokes 3foot bags I made one the size of the ha bags their thick. Realy thick I looked at the elite Analog is good enough. My davinci has a digi temp I set it for get it
if I grind To put in the ha And using the pump and I firmly press my load in the crucible rise se like a puck and plugs the screen the corse screen provides that the air moves fast out of the uper chamber. It's kind of cool Thing. N forcing compressed air from the jets into you're load Forcing the heat deep inside threw the fibre of materiel I brew a lot of times at 375. To 380 when I'm need a good thick bag of vape to rid nausea And sum reason I can feel the pressure leave my ears and short period of relife No clue why lol
find only the bags cut it when it gets bad
But does leave you unsatisfied bag goes quick comparison to whip or direct Draw Love those big mouth peice. Hate the black ones
Oh ya the crucibles in 2.2. The black. Mp flat cone side mine have alway fit snug and pulls out the crucible perfect. Not sure it was intended but seems to work. I will never get ride of this one I'd miss it
Was looking for new desk top whip no glas as I smash it fast does not last long in my hands as much as I love the volcano too dam expensive and I was used my 2.1 In my truck with an inverter direct draw no straw most the time if you put the spare mouth pece and straw stays pretty cool. I also like to use the big mouth pieces on the bags instead on the black ones Clamp better bags don't bunch up as bad and cut the straws in half less straw less vapor condensing onto the straws and the big white mp don't build up heat as bad And Clamp better to bags too I've got a few old one in a box With no screens Had to keep um never know.eh
it's been gone for a week now I ran out bought a 2.2 seems to run a hell of a lot better than my 2.1 I'd draw mad hard on it and the heating light come on the 2.2 stays green All the time. I got sum tokes 3foot bags I made one the size of the ha bags their thick. Realy thick I looked at the elite Analog is good enough. My davinci has a digi temp I set it for get it
if I grind To put in the ha And using the pump and I firmly press my load in the crucible rise se like a puck and plugs the screen the corse screen provides that the air moves fast out of the uper chamber. It's kind of cool Thing. N forcing compressed air from the jets into you're load Forcing the heat deep inside threw the fibre of materiel I brew a lot of times at 375. To 380 when I'm need a good thick bag of vape to rid nausea And sum reason I can feel the pressure leave my ears and short period of relife No clue why lol
find only the bags cut it when it gets bad
But does leave you unsatisfied bag goes quick comparison to whip or direct Draw Love those big mouth peice. Hate the black ones
Oh ya the crucibles in 2.2. The black. Mp flat cone side mine have alway fit snug and pulls out the crucible perfect. Not sure it was intended but seems to work. I will never get ride of this one I'd miss it
scienide
Well-Known Member
Hi...
I have just created an account to add another positive review for the herbalaire. I have a 2.1 for almost 7 years now, and its still working perfectly.
I have the TONG adapter and use a bong downstem as a straw. The teflon straws restricted the airflow a little too much and got a little to hot at the end. I also used some silver surfer parts to create my own whip, but i dont use that as often.
At the moment i want to buy another vaporizer so i dont have to unplug and move my current vaporizer all the time. I have been looking at several vapes, what people say are the high end vapes at the moment, but i cant see one that i really got to have. I will probably just buy another herbalaire, it's that good.
I mean, which vape performs great, has a lifespan of more than 7 years, can easily be cleaned and can be used with all kinds of glass attachments?
With kind regards,
A very happy herbalaire user.
I have just created an account to add another positive review for the herbalaire. I have a 2.1 for almost 7 years now, and its still working perfectly.
I have the TONG adapter and use a bong downstem as a straw. The teflon straws restricted the airflow a little too much and got a little to hot at the end. I also used some silver surfer parts to create my own whip, but i dont use that as often.
At the moment i want to buy another vaporizer so i dont have to unplug and move my current vaporizer all the time. I have been looking at several vapes, what people say are the high end vapes at the moment, but i cant see one that i really got to have. I will probably just buy another herbalaire, it's that good.
I mean, which vape performs great, has a lifespan of more than 7 years, can easily be cleaned and can be used with all kinds of glass attachments?
With kind regards,
A very happy herbalaire user.
StormyPinkness
Rhymenocerous ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
Love this and feel the exact same way.
Egzoset
Banned
Salutations Scienide,
Well then i guess you'll find this is the right place where to post for sure.
Hummm... I didn't even vape for that long but i figure my modded VG pipe should last for quite a while once everything is settled permanently (avoid successive reconfigurations). Actually there's just no need for glasswork at all considering it's self-moisturizing, as for performance i found i prefer my pipe after using the HA v2.1 for 25 months: because of the conditioning issue exactly, though not only that exclusively.
A toke is done in less than 12 ~ 15 seconds i would say, pre-heating is optional while using an HA it's not (~3 minutes). Electricity is dry, butane comes with 15 ppm of "comet dust", so to speak, while clean burning also generates water vapor on another hand... To each his own evil, it seems having to deal with a stiff A.C. power cord and (water) conditioning eventually caused me to look elsewhere. So i re-tried the VG, moddified it repeatedly, etc., and now looking at my HA causes me to imagine an Induction HA that would split the final vaporizer into a duo made of a table IH driver and an IH "LavaWand", euh... With the option to pre-heat using induction and self-moisturize via torch vaporizing. With the benefit of a portable mode, electricity-free.
Day-dreaming again!
Well then i guess you'll find this is the right place where to post for sure.
Hummm... I didn't even vape for that long but i figure my modded VG pipe should last for quite a while once everything is settled permanently (avoid successive reconfigurations). Actually there's just no need for glasswork at all considering it's self-moisturizing, as for performance i found i prefer my pipe after using the HA v2.1 for 25 months: because of the conditioning issue exactly, though not only that exclusively.
A toke is done in less than 12 ~ 15 seconds i would say, pre-heating is optional while using an HA it's not (~3 minutes). Electricity is dry, butane comes with 15 ppm of "comet dust", so to speak, while clean burning also generates water vapor on another hand... To each his own evil, it seems having to deal with a stiff A.C. power cord and (water) conditioning eventually caused me to look elsewhere. So i re-tried the VG, moddified it repeatedly, etc., and now looking at my HA causes me to imagine an Induction HA that would split the final vaporizer into a duo made of a table IH driver and an IH "LavaWand", euh... With the option to pre-heat using induction and self-moisturize via torch vaporizing. With the benefit of a portable mode, electricity-free.
Day-dreaming again!
SecureSwede
Well-Known Member
I owned a HA and never liked it. Personally the unit was too top heavy and could be knocked over way too easily, the whip was tiny and not flexible like an ssv whip, and whenever I tired to do bags they would leak. I know its because I put the bags together wrong and thats where the leaking happened but it was just too much to mess with. Ill admit there was nothing more fun than just tossing in an unground nug and having it come out evenly vaped.
Amoreena
Grown up Flower Child
Agreed.
I'm perfectly happy to hold the HA steady with my left hand while using the standard mouthpiece and an extension. Don't like bags or whips. Getting thoroughly medicated couldn't be simpler. 
421
Well-Known Member
My current method of HA'ing, I use these awesome vapor bros ceramic screens (fit is nearly perfect) as spacers to give more convection. Three on the bottom one on top, no screen in tong (not needed). Water tool tong is a must, even using dry imo, the mp/tong will never fall out since it's deeper than stock mp. Then I preheat the HA to green @ 375+ (started doing this lately versus loading and then heating), then once heated up I put the three spacers in, add grounded up bud (I prefer it for this method since it takes up less space, allows me to put bud as far from heater as I can), put one spacer ceramic screen on top, put my elite mp tong on top (this would work even better with the 2.2 water tong imo, more spacers can be put in), then voila! I have a very convective herbalAire water experience. It works just like a log would, upside down in bubbler, but it's a so much better experience with the herbalAire magic of no stir, even vape, and thorough extraction. I plan to make a nice video detailing the process and showing how awesome it works sometime soon.
Only cons for me are that I have wait a bit between sessions for at the least the ceramic spacers to cool off (have started pulling off tong after a bit of cooling, haven't noticed any damage as a result), and my bowl gets dirty and sometimes emits a vaped weed smell (just need more cleaning tho, ofc it is a bit harder since in this method of no cruc the bowl is the HA itself).
Only cons for me are that I have wait a bit between sessions for at the least the ceramic spacers to cool off (have started pulling off tong after a bit of cooling, haven't noticed any damage as a result), and my bowl gets dirty and sometimes emits a vaped weed smell (just need more cleaning tho, ofc it is a bit harder since in this method of no cruc the bowl is the HA itself).
nicelytoasted
Vaked Chemist
I guess that even a vape as easy to use as the HA cannot overcome obvious user errors..
SecureSwede
Well-Known Member
Well someones a little angry I didnt have a good experience with the HA and had some bad things to say about it, and yes I had problems due to the way the HA was built. It wasnt built to be the easiest vape on the planet. The bag system was ridiculous how you had to use those crappy ties they gave to make your own bag and had to use an external pump. The whip was flimsy and a little tug would send the unit on its side. So Im sorry that the flaws of the vape pushed me away from using it, I was much happier with an SSV. The HA was just not for me so don't push this like it was all user error... It was a good vape but did not fit my needs.
I sold that thing years ago, there was no way I was keeping it. I also sold my ssv and moved up to an Evo and Volcano which destroy the performance of both the SSV and HA.
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cornwalis
Member
Botom leeking the botoms. Can cut a strip from old bag and tie the bottom n clamp or just skip clamp not much leeks. not so bad i use volcano top its. Bags or tokeez bags n cut in half and topit one like the volc they last long time i like to have that small bag for first fill to catch tthe taste then i jack it for milk. Im going to get a restriction valve so i can slow it down at first start
Volcano has market cornerd with topits bags
i direct inhale best way One of the only vapes you can get pissed off you cant find yer stash wip it at a wall calm lil bit find the stash n vape like nothing happend not that ive done it but seen sum one pop a fit like that with a. 2.1
Volcano has market cornerd with topits bags
i direct inhale best way One of the only vapes you can get pissed off you cant find yer stash wip it at a wall calm lil bit find the stash n vape like nothing happend not that ive done it but seen sum one pop a fit like that with a. 2.1
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
I'm not sure how these criticisms are really of the HA, unless it is an expectation that it should work exactly as you like out of the box. One of the first things I did after getting my HA was to replace the PVC whip with real silicone, eliminating the tendency for the stiff PVC whip to push around the device. It also improved the taste significantly. The few times I have used bags they were well constructed and did not leak. And loading nugs directly is one of it's best features.
So, nobody here is telling you you have to like the HA, but it is hard to take your criticisms seriously. No offense.
One other point. I have only used a Volcano a couple times and it WAS nice. But I'm not surprised you like it better for bags than the HA. After all, it is well over double the price and out of the price range of many vaporists. That isn't meant to be a critism, it is just a statement of the reality that may make it less attractive to some.
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SecureSwede
Well-Known Member
How is it hard to take it seriously? Essentially what you just told me is I need to upgrade the product for it to work pleasantly.
1. Stock bags were useless
2. Apparently I needed to upgrade the whip the unit came with for it to be a pleasant experience
3. I needed an external pump I had to plug in to use the bags
I guess I'm sorry my criticisms were too realistic and understandable, I guess you just can't understand the fact that this vape is not for everyone. Sorry but when I bought an ssv I was pleased right out of the box with the build quality and whip it came with, this also applied to when I bought my vapexhale evo and volcano. I had quality issues with the HA and Extreme Q, so AGAIN I will say it may be a great vaporizer for you but for MYSELF it did not work as I wanted. I never said you were supposed to not like the HA due to my experience, I was just sharing when my views were.
StormyPinkness
Rhymenocerous ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
I think he's just saying your main criticisms of the device are kind of unrelated to the actual vape. I mean bags and whips are pretty cheap and are eventually going to need replacing anyways. I actually like the pvc stiffness, helps with my hands free whip set up for playing online. So yes that would be an added $20 or so expense. But the ssv doesn't do bags and is a bit more expensive (sorry if I'm wrong about that) and the volcano is double the price so I'm not sure your comparisons are fair (I don't know anything about the evo). I can see having issues with tipping it though depending on how you use it (also wouldn't call it top heavy, the bottom is a heavy bulb shape). I think the old mp design pops off a bit easy too.
cybrguy
Putin is a War Criminal
Responses inline...
I certainly understand that this vape is not for everyone. No vape is, like no Car is. I just happen to think this a really good one that isn't crazy expensive and serves me well. That being said, it is NOT my only vape, but it was a GREAT start.
SecureSwede
Well-Known Member
I enjoyed it for what it was, I just had better experiences with other vapes like the SSV at the same price point. Im not calling the HA a bad vape, I just did not enjoy it. I don't see why thats so hard for you to understand. Its my opinion and literally nothing you can say will change it because I experienced it differently than you did.
Im not necessarily comparing the volcano and HA, they are at two different price points so its not fair to compare them. But there is no reason as to why I would not be allowed to upgrade from the HA to a better vape, it was a good vape to start with but I shouldnt be forced to stick with it especially since I didnt have the best experiences with it. If we are talking about just the vaping capabilities the SSV does a much better job at whips. The only even comparison would be the EQ, I prefer owning a vape that is really good 1 one thing rather than decent at two.
421
Well-Known Member
Yeah the costlier vapes are like Mercedes, you pay a ton but get the luxury experience and car service for a bunch of years. Actually this isn't even true given how much I've seen other users add things to the VXL or change the whip on the Herbalizer. Soooo yeah, the other vapes that are keep in mind way more expensive also have things that could be said in the same way.
Also the fact that the pump is not built-in makes it possible for me to put it on top of a bubbler and get amazing vapes directly. You can't do this with a volcano so yeah... I guess you can more accurately say at the cost of some usability it is more versatile.
Also the fact that the pump is not built-in makes it possible for me to put it on top of a bubbler and get amazing vapes directly. You can't do this with a volcano so yeah... I guess you can more accurately say at the cost of some usability it is more versatile.
SecureSwede
Well-Known Member
I didnt buy the volcano for the purpose of using it with a bubbler, thats why I had the evo. If I don't need the versatility there is no reason for me to want it or buy a vaporizer for it. At the cost of being able to do bags and whips you give up the ability for it to be amazing with one of them. so yes you can do both but again I prefer a vaporizer thats really good at one. If I want to use my volcano with a bubbler I can easily buy a $20 adapter that lets the bags connect to a bubbler.
Also yes high end vapes such as the herbalizer might need a new whip but the herbalizer is not a good example, the construction of that vape is a joke for the price you pay for it. You honestly cant seem to understand I wanted a vaporizer for groups. I don't really have a budget either so why would I choose the HA when I could get a volcano or evo. There is no reason as to why I would choose anything less than the best. The herbalaire can do groups but I have much better options.
So stop replying to this trying to make your purchase more justified than mine, you like your HA and I respect that. I did not like the vape so respect my opinion, or else you can keep trying to poke away at my views but just realize you will gain nothing in the process.
Egzoset
Banned
Salutations SecureSwede,
Diversity of opinions is generally seen as a good thing these days. Sometimes though i'm surprized how divergences can emerge in no time and yet that's to be expected on a public board after all. Since i feel my previous post may sound negative when read ouside its proper context lets find out where the divergence occurs exactly!
We appear to agree on a few things and yet when i read the quotes from above i feel i should comment that i liked my HA a lot, had quite some fair return for my money including cannabis appreciation and experimentation, because it's so versatile (LEGO style!)... Although i've highlited myself a couple features that i'd wish to see upgraded someday i also happen to view the HerbalAire concept as a solid workhorse which could be made king of the game just by changing its electronics board & heater element, with the addition of a couple IH coils and perhaps a fan below the base as this unit's available power would range around 300 ~ 500 Watts for minimal pre-heating time (that compares with fire!), euh... Version 2.2 corrected the thermocouple installation, why not move to Induction Heating in a future release?! Which is my point and this is where our opinions may seem irreconciliable: the HA is alive and using IH technology it would probably become venerable for decades. The heat exhanger & oven bloc works fine as it is, just change the heater element using a Curie-effect unit formulated for 400 °C or so, as long as the teflon parts are safe. As for its excellent fresh-air inlet (located behind) plus the optional external pump that's fine too the way it is! No need to breath through a pump actually (try negative pressure instead!)... Etc.
Honestly, in my fantasies i see the next v2.x HA as the very same familiar vaporizer as before - just better. In such ways that might even threaten to shake the ground at least for a good while...
Diversity of opinions is generally seen as a good thing these days. Sometimes though i'm surprized how divergences can emerge in no time and yet that's to be expected on a public board after all. Since i feel my previous post may sound negative when read ouside its proper context lets find out where the divergence occurs exactly!
We appear to agree on a few things and yet when i read the quotes from above i feel i should comment that i liked my HA a lot, had quite some fair return for my money including cannabis appreciation and experimentation, because it's so versatile (LEGO style!)... Although i've highlited myself a couple features that i'd wish to see upgraded someday i also happen to view the HerbalAire concept as a solid workhorse which could be made king of the game just by changing its electronics board & heater element, with the addition of a couple IH coils and perhaps a fan below the base as this unit's available power would range around 300 ~ 500 Watts for minimal pre-heating time (that compares with fire!), euh... Version 2.2 corrected the thermocouple installation, why not move to Induction Heating in a future release?! Which is my point and this is where our opinions may seem irreconciliable: the HA is alive and using IH technology it would probably become venerable for decades. The heat exhanger & oven bloc works fine as it is, just change the heater element using a Curie-effect unit formulated for 400 °C or so, as long as the teflon parts are safe. As for its excellent fresh-air inlet (located behind) plus the optional external pump that's fine too the way it is! No need to breath through a pump actually (try negative pressure instead!)... Etc.
Honestly, in my fantasies i see the next v2.x HA as the very same familiar vaporizer as before - just better. In such ways that might even threaten to shake the ground at least for a good while...
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StormyPinkness
Rhymenocerous ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
You should absolutely 100% use whatever makes you happy and get's you there, not going to argue against that at all. It's just this is the HA thread so there's going to be some fanboy love and disagreements, someone is going to stick up for the thread vape. It's good for people to talk about it so they make shit better, it can always get better. I guess I just disagree at the whip being such a big issue and I can't compare actual vaping since I've never used an ssv. God, I just can't image another vape getting more out of the material than an HA. Nuggets come out and it's like a cartoon where one touch and the whole things just crumbles to dust.
He actually didn't reply to you, you replied to him.
421
Well-Known Member
OK man I think you just like to argue I'm not even sure what we're talking about anymore.
let me requote the original post that set this off
This is offensive to us herbalAire users because as stand-alone critiques they are a bit ridiculous. Like, oh the unit is not heavy enough for me!!! Only later did you repackage what you were saying as "this is because I want the device for a specific purpose" (which is kind of saying nothing because of course the herbalAire isn't as good as a Volcano when what you want is exactly a Volcano).
So can you see how your initial post was inflammatory? Then you change what you are saying and get mad at everyone else for responding to your initial statements. If you had said initially that you didn't like the herbalAire because it didn't fit your needs as a group bag filling device as well as the Volcano does, I'm sure nobody would have a problem with that.
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SecureSwede
Well-Known Member
I see my mistakes now, I was more pointing out that since the unit could be knocked over so easily it was a design flaw in my eyes.
also Ill admit the HA was one of the best at conserving herbs, it was a ton of fun to just toss in a nug and have it come out perfectly vaped.
My brain is pretty fried today anyway so I guess my thoughts are running out of control a bit haha, did not mean for this to cause such a big commotion.