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herbivore21

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@herbivore21 OK for the clarification!
And about the doctor, he was a psychiatrist.
That is extremely concerning to me as a researcher to hear that a clinician in my field is missing such crucial exclusion criteria in diagnosis! However, I believe it, man I shudder when I think about how diagnostics are taught in mental health (and especially how they were taught when I first was learning!).

By the way, check out this article http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6665093

According to it, Bouffée délirante is a diagnosis that has fallen out of vogue, was originally conceptualized to describe mostly magical/religious delusions in Africa and Haiti and is a 'culture-bound syndrome'.

It would be extremely strange for a psychiatrist to diagnose you with this now. It is a conceptually problematic diagnosis but that is a discussion for another time! Out of interest, @futaie are you a migrant who has moved to France from part of Africa (I don't know of any significant migrant populations of people from Haiti in France lol, but I know there are many African migrants)? Because I would be quite surprised for a French born person of French background to be diagnosed as such - that would be really weird!
 
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futaie

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@futaie are you a migrant who has moved to France from part of Africa (I don't know of any significant migrant populations of people from Haiti in France lol, but I know there are many African migrants)? Because I would be quite surprised for a French born person of French background to be diagnosed as such - that would be really weird!
I'm not a migrant, I was born in France like my parents.
And the most likely explanation is, despite the age of "bouffée délirante aigüe" term, french psychiatrists still use it in the same meaning of "Brief psychotic disorder", but maybe I'm wrong, just an hypothesis ;)
 

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811144/ :hmm:



If it's an independent laboratory, it's all good !
I need inform you that this is means nothing to me. Where's information in the state that i put 25 years in? I worked directly and had access to all state known cases. Question : At what age are MOST males diagnosed with Schizophrenia? College years. That was the case of the first two subjects. Additionally I could pick those notes apart as they were written with purpose. There is no conclusive proof of any psychotic disorders "brought on" from Marijuana usage. There is more proof of boys using antiperspirants at early ages and schizophrenia, due to the aluminum. Yet no one speaks about that.
 

herbivore21

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I'm not a migrant, I was born in France like my parents.
And the most likely explanation is, despite the age of "bouffée délirante aigüe" term, french psychiatrists still use it in the same meaning of "Brief psychotic disorder", but maybe I'm wrong, just an hypothesis ;)

The article I linked discusses the contemporary use of the term, highlighting that the diagnosis to this day still tends to be mostly given by French clinicians to migrants. Brief Psychotic Disorder is a diagnosis conceptualized for more generalised (as in not related to broadly accepted cultural ideas in the given context such as magic/spirits etc) fleeting presentations of psychosis and as discussed, must not be diagnosed if the symptoms are related to drug use.

I need inform you that this is means nothing to me. Where's information in the state that i put 25 years in? I worked directly and had access to all state known cases. Question : At what age are MOST males diagnosed with Schizophrenia? College years. That was the case of the first two subjects. Additionally I could pick those notes apart as they were written with purpose. There is no conclusive proof of any psychotic disorders "brought on" from Marijuana usage. There is more proof of boys using antiperspirants at early ages and schizophrenia, due to the aluminum. Yet no one speaks about that.

That article appears to be a single case study and if so, cannot be considered to have extrapolative validity.
 

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I think there is real value in psychiatry, as envisioned by freud and jung. But these days most people don't have access to actual clinical psychoanalysis, just more and moar pills and pop psychology bs.


Edit: for @herbivore21 (the scientific way isn't everything):

Freud's id, ego & superego = lower self, middle self and higher self, the ancient aboriginal concepts that led to the school of psychosynthesis, which is in contrast to more existential schools of psychology:

"Huna believes there are three spirits or selves in each person. They are called the Low Self, the Middle Self and the High Self, and they correspond roughly to the subconscious, the conscious, and the superconscious [id, ego, and superego]. The High Self responds to prayer and does not intrude in the affairs of life without invitation. All prayer to the High Self must come from the Low Self. This means that if the Middle Self is to pray to the High Self, it must be through the Low Self."

Don't you agree that affirmative (non-religous) prayer can be a valid therapeutic device?


Psychiatry (today) in a nutshell, of course it's a $ thing:

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:worms:If you want insight about the validity of dsm diagnoses, check out the rosenhan experiment:

"Rosenhan's study was done in two parts. The first part involved the use of healthy associates or "pseudopatients" (three women and five men, including Rosenhan himself) who briefly feigned auditory hallucinations in an attempt to gain admission to 12 different psychiatric hospitals in five different States in various locations in the United States. All were admitted and diagnosed with psychiatric disorders. After admission, the pseudopatients acted normally and told staff that they felt fine and had no longer experienced any additional hallucinations. All were forced to admit to having a mental illness and agree to take antipsychotic drugs as a condition of their release. The average time that the patients spent in the hospital was 19 days. All but one were diagnosed with schizophrenia "in remission" before their release. The second part of his study involved an offended hospital administration challenging Rosenhan to send pseudopatients to its facility, whom its staff would then detect. Rosenhan agreed and in the following weeks out of 193 new patients the staff identified 41 as potential pseudopatients, with 19 of these receiving suspicion from at least 1 psychiatrist and 1 other staff member. In fact, Rosenhan had sent no one to the hospital."
 
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herbivore21

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I think there is real value in psychiatry, as envisioned by freud and jung. But these days most people don't have access to actual clinical psychoanalysis, just more and moar pills and pop psychology bs.

Psychiatry (today) in a nutshell, of course it's a $ thing:

dQbtilz.jpg

:worms:If you want insight about the validity of dsm diagnoses, check out the rosenhan experiment:

"Rosenhan's study was done in two parts. The first part involved the use of healthy associates or "pseudopatients" (three women and five men, including Rosenhan himself) who briefly feigned auditory hallucinations in an attempt to gain admission to 12 different psychiatric hospitals in five different States in various locations in the United States. All were admitted and diagnosed with psychiatric disorders. After admission, the pseudopatients acted normally and told staff that they felt fine and had no longer experienced any additional hallucinations. All were forced to admit to having a mental illness and agree to take antipsychotic drugs as a condition of their release. The average time that the patients spent in the hospital was 19 days. All but one were diagnosed with schizophrenia "in remission" before their release. The second part of his study involved an offended hospital administration challenging Rosenhan to send pseudopatients to its facility, whom its staff would then detect. Rosenhan agreed and in the following weeks out of 193 new patients the staff identified 41 as potential pseudopatients, with 19 of these receiving suspicion from at least 1 psychiatrist and 1 other staff member. In fact, Rosenhan had sent no one to the hospital."
Sorry Grokit, but gotta disagree with ya on the Freud and Jung part. Freud and Jung's ideas have largely not stood the scientific test of time, and are largely not used in contemporary psychology/psychiatry. Many of their claims were not testable in a scientific way (consider for instance Freud's mapping of the unconscious mind, with an id, an ego, a superego, with abstract units inside them called mnemics and cathexes - with no empirical bases for these claims!!!), amongst other conceptual issues with many of their ideas.

The majority of pop psychology (which is absolutely BS as you say, and such a hindrance to good mental health!) out there now actually very heavily draws on Freud and Jung's ideas (often horribly misunderstood too of course lol). Pop psychology being conflated with the actual science is a huge problem indeed.

Psychological and psychiatric science are at the most exciting points of progress they have ever been, we have so many clinically effective non-pharmaceutical interventions (consider mindfulness therapies derived from Eastern meditation practices, exposure therapy or the ever successful cognitive behavioural therapies for great examples of non drug treatment for mental illnesses which all have emerged long after Freud and Jung were dead, buried and their methods largely refuted/abandoned!). The behaviourist movement and the cognitive revolution, the later combination of both approaches and abandonment of radical positivism that the early behaviourists adopted are far more relevant now than Freud and Jung in terms of empirically supported practices.

However, the tendency to overprescribe is a good point. But this is not a problem with contemporary psychiatry, it is a problem with contemporary clinical practice in general. Every one of you who has been prescribed antibiotics for a cold knows what I'm talking about!

The tendency of psychologists/psychiatrists to diagnose hastily is also a genuine problem and I have seen plenty of real-world examples of this in my time within the discipline!! This is in my professional view the main challenge that the discipline needs to overcome at present.

EDIT: @grokit

I don't mean to be disrespectful or rude at all, I think you're a great dude and enjoy your contributions to FC :)

I just am genuine confused that you seem not to think that science is the best way to understand human thoughts and behaviour (psychology), especially when we now know that cognitive processes and even behaviour can be modulated or even outright caused by mechanisms of chemistry. Chemistry is after all, the very phenomenon/scientific discipline that has since the 60's shown us that CBD exists at all, as well as given us the topic of this entire thread.

This same science of chemistry is now used in conjunction with contemporary psychology and medicine to give us neurosciences, neuropsychopharmacology and cognitive neurosciences (a discipline owing largely to the cognitive revolution flowing on from abandonment of swathes of Freudian ideas), which have each taught us so much about how cannabis effects us physiologically and psychologically. These scientific disciplines are the reason that we not only know that CBD exists, is effective therapeutically and that we are now accounting for how it actually works down to the most minute details!

At the end of the day though; the same contemporary science that developed and continues to build the amazing knowledge we have now about cannabis that we didn't have before underpins the worldview that led us away from the majority of Freudian and Jungian attempts to account for human cognition and behaviour. I am not here to bicker or argue though so won't enter into this discussion further, it is up to you to decide whether you accept the science or not. :)

EDIT: @momofthegoons sorry I'm still off-topic here, I had not seen your post as I was typing this one for a long time lol

Has anyone purchased the Nectar product?
Nope but I've had a good chat with OL about it, and am gonna order some I think.

According to OL it is chlorophyll which was pulled through by the ethanol (we all know that ethanol can pull through some plant material depending on how it is done) that makes the non-nectar concentrates black. Whilst I can and have verified above that there is very little in terms of solid particulate plant material in the CBD concentrates, there is definitely chlorophyll in there, indicated by the green/black hue when dissolved in alcohol.

However the CO2 extraction of the nectar means that no such chemicals will leech off the starting material into your dab. This will make the stuff taste much nicer and keep that nail nice and clean :D
 
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herbivore21

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I really want to try the nectar, but it is more expensive than BHO lol.

I'll have to save up.
lol it is expensive, but man it is significantly cheaper than making my own oils here!!! I'll let you know what it's like when I get some if you haven't gotten any by then man :)
 
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Great Scott!
Too bad its all cibidex and other over priced china crap :(


mod note: In the future please refrain from sweeping condemnation of all products produced in a particular country. Statements of this kind are never true.
 

Jeppy

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@darkrom I like cibdex. I've been in a world of hurts before, and it helped. Fought off nausea and gave pain relief. It is sold here in collectives. I now get a good enough deal to take it every day in addition to cbd shatter caps. I'm at 200mg cbd daily.
 
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@darkrom I like cibdex. I've been in a world of hurts before, and it helped. Fought off nausea and gave pain relief. It is sold here in collectives. I now get a good enough deal to take it every day in addition to cbd shatter caps. I'm at 200mg cbd daily.

How much does it cost to take 200mg a day?
 
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The Plus Gold. LMK what you think of it, and PLEASE post pics of the actual oil before you use it?

The vape oil is for ecigs and is cut with PEG or PG or VG I'm sure.
 

snamuh

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The Plus Gold. LMK what you think of it, and PLEASE post pics of the actual oil before you use it?

The vape oil is for ecigs and is cut with PEG or PG or VG I'm sure.

I think they have a separate ecig thing. I was thinking the vape oil would be like those saringes omega has and the plus gold would be like omegas nectar. But I really know nothing about this stuff.

Edit: nm I think I understand what your saying.

Whatever it is I'll find out when I see it. I'll try to make it before Christmas.
 

herbivore21

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I think they have a separate ecig thing. I was thinking the vape oil would be like those saringes omega has and the plus gold would be like omegas nectar. But I really know nothing about this stuff.

Edit: nm I think I understand what your saying.

Whatever it is I'll find out when I see it. I'll try to make it before Christmas.
I seriously doubt it, if both the vape oil and the plus gold are designed to be vaped in an ecig then it is gonna be mixed with a lot of pg and/or vg. I do not vape these solvents as they release polyaromatic hydrocarbons (carcinogens including benzene) when they are vaporized.

On the other hand, Omega Labs oils are simply QWET oil (with EXTREMELY low levels of residual plant material) from the given strain with the THCA removed to a satisfactory level and some residual ethanol which I believe is there for enhanced absorption from oral ingestion. The OL Nectar is CO2 extracted oil which has had THCA removed from the given strain - much cleaner due to the fact that CO2 will not pull out particularly chlorophyll but all plant material in general.

The OL oils in question cannot be put into a standard ecig atomizer and vaped, they are not a stable runny enough consistency to work in this way.
 

futaie

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I seriously doubt it, if both the vape oil and the plus gold are designed to be vaped in an ecig then it is gonna be mixed with a lot of pg and/or vg. I do not vape these solvents as they release polyaromatic hydrocarbons (carcinogens including benzene) when they are vaporized.
Hello!
I'm very interested about this (I use everyday the Epiq Vap Shatter by OL with others PG/VG eliquid), I'd appreciate it if you can link some scientific studies about it. :)
 
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herbivore21

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I probably won't get a chance for a while as I'm currently knee-deep in journals for other reasons just now, but I would suggest google scholar to find out more :)

I will highlight that when I say that these release PAH's (as well as carbonyls and other harmful chemicals), they do not do so overall in the same concentrations as cigarettes smoke. PG is also known to be considerably more of a problem than VG, producing some harmful chemicals in concentrations similar to cigarette smoke (but on the whole nowhere near the same concentration of harmful chemicals).

Still, I do not need to use solvents to suspend my concentrates for vaporization (and neither do any of you)! We have plenty of safe and convenient options available for vaping without trying to shoehorn cannabis concentrates into devices designed for a completely different application with unnecessary (although not as bad as combustion) health risks ;)
 

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I have not yet opened my OLHO concentrate, however, I did grab a large serving of the Nectar before it sold out. I also grabbed a Errlectric rig to consume my CBD with. The Nectar is very tasty, and effective. It appears that, for me, CBD is what I am looking for . I have virtually stopped vaping THC and only using very small amounts of the Nectar from a quartz e-nail. The Nectar provides a very relaxing state of mind. If I over indulge, initially I can just about bring on a panic attack just like over dabbing thc-laden oil. I have nothing but good things to say about Chris and Omega. The Nectar is worth every penny! More good things to come from Omega it appears. Thanks to all who have contributed, CBD Rules!
 
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