Vape THC Content vs. Drug Test

SundayVaper said:

dilution is a technique that can be effective in a pinch ... So I've heard

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OTOH people have also been labeled as 'failed' with diluted urine, even non drug users who stay hydrated enough to have colorless urine. That isn't right, but it can happen, especially when drug testing is done by non professionals.

scottg402 said:

I didn't care if my employees smoked a joint the night before, so long as they were sober when they were driving that 26,000 lb. truck the next day.

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Hopefully someday this will become the normal attitude.

I understand that combusting is less efficient than vaporizing. I understand that this is due to excess heat burning up the THC & other cannabinoids as well as due to lost smoke off the weed (ie tip of a joint or small stream of smoke off of a pipe, etc).

My question is very specific and I didn't find an answer after looking for some time. I am looking for the lowest ratio of thc in my blood/urine to thc making me high. I only want thc affecting my blood/urine levels that contribute to positive effects. So, here is the question:

Does the inhaled, burned up thc, when combusting, that does not contribute to a high add to the thc level in by blood/urine, or does this burning up of the thc burn it up so completely as to not affect thc blood/urine levels?

Does anyone have a scientific explanation or actual studies. I'm not looking for anecdotal evidence.

Edit: Does completely burned up THC, when combusting, that can't make you high, still make THC-COOH.

scottg402 said:

My former employer used saliva tests.

If my memory serves me well, the thc stays in the saliva for 8 hours. I know this because I was "certified" to administer tests to my employees.
(If they only knew)

If they popped on the saliva test you were supposed to send them to the clinic for a urine test but it never happened in all the tests I gave.

I can't imagine there is much difference between smoking and vaping as far as saliva is concerned but I'm no expert.

I think they need to just legalize it and move on but in the meantime I like the idea of saliva tests (for those jobs that require testing).

I think the 8 hour time line is pretty appropriate.

I didn't care if my employees smoked a joint the night before, so long as they were sober when they were driving that 26,000 lb. truck the next day.

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Man exactly - why the fuck is it that so hard for employers to understand? Saliva, not urine testing is appropriate in SOME workplaces - urine tests pick up drug activity outside work, rather than any indicator of impairment on the job. Employee's drug use outside of work which does not effect their work is precisely none of an employers fucking business!

We should also remember that research has identified that in fact, regular stoner's (daily users) likelihood of having an accident is not different in a statistically significant way whether under the influence of cannabis or not. However, it is true that there is a moderate increased risk of traffic incident (about a third of the increase seen with a very low range blood-alcohol level) for drivers who are baked and not frequent partakers.

Really, IMO daily medical users should be legally excluded from any consequences of positive cannabis test results around the world as a point of order. Especially because such drug testing could keep a bunch of disabled people who medicate with MMJ from returning to the workplace/staying in the workplace - and let's face it - that is just ableism.

Still, in the meantime, I encourage every single one of you (where possible and there is other work going of course) not to work for employers who do urine based drug testing. I have maintained this boycott throughout my entire working life. Employers will hopefully eventually get the message if we just stop working for them if they think they can pry.

Let them know that what is in your body outside of work in none of their business, and even inside of work hours is not either - unless it leaves you actually impaired in your capacity to carry out your work (more than you would be by any existing chronic condition/disability, which legally cannot be used to discriminate in most developed nations).

Fuck nosey employers! [/rant] sorry guys I get so furious over this shit!

Unfortunately, these (or any other) user based forums probably wont draw any accurate conclusions any time soon. I've spent the better part of my adult life reading forum contributions where people state their age, height, weight activity level etc in search of comfort and encouragement because of their impending drug test. For one reason or another 99% of these people don't even bother to post the results after the fact. Almost NEVER

In the past years tumbling down a rabbit hole of hopelessness and uncertainty for my future (because i work in dead end factory jobs) I have bounced around more jobs than i care to admit. I have not provided a genuine sample of urine in almost 7 years. Synthetic to this point has been my ace in the hole.

Every morning i put on my socks, i put on my underwear and I put on athletic compression shorts with a cup pocket like any other normal piece of clothing i wouldn't go to work without.

Every morning i lay my rubber banded bottle of urine on my dashboard (the rubber band keeps it still as you drive around turns) with the defrost full blast and my sample reaches well in excess of 100 degress before reaching the worksite.

Every morning i affix a fresh disposable hand warmer (ordered by the 40 pack on amazon.com) to my urine bottle and stow it away in the crotch cup pocket of my compression shorts. Buy hand warmers not toe warmers. Hand warmer packages are compartmentalized (you can rip open one side and keep the other side for tomorrow)

I have walked across warehouses and factories to the admin offices, taken my drug test and made it back to the assembly lines in record time. Sometimes even volunteering to go first in a crowd of 10-15 employees.

I'm sorry for trailing off but i promise it ties into the topic at hand...

Recently my overconfidence gave me a much deserved slap in the face. As i went to take yet another pre-employment drug test (at a place i have already successfully faked for other employers). I closed the door and wham bam like some brain dead superstar I produced a full cup of urine in 30 seconds flat and handed out the door to my specimen collector

WITHOUT REMEMBERING TO EVEN LOOK AT THE CUP

My urine had to be in excess of 120 degrees because it took almost 15 minutes to reflect on the temperature strip. They tried 2 more fresh cups in case of technical error, and i then had to wait in a private room for a doctor to urinate a second time with him watching to verify it came from my body. I couldn't produce a sample within the allocated time and was dismissed from the site with a failing result and no new job.


I am a devout user of the Arizer solo. Any other handheld i have used for dry herb, has felt like an insult to consumers everywhere. Producing almost nonexistent hits and sparking curiosity as to whether or not your even getting high from THC at all... or if your just light headed from excessive deep inhalation. Arizer reinstated my dead faith in the world of portable vaporizers


I am now in the hiring process for a potential lifelong career in the International Brotherhood of Electrical workers. And will more than likely have to return to the same location which i recently blew my own cover.

Deception is no longer an option for the time being.

After 7 years of maniacal amusement shoving fake urine samples down the throat of the man, I'm back on the forums. Scared and uncertain wondering how long ill take to clean out, wondering if modest vaporizer use will clear out of my system in more or less time than traditional combustion.

And in 7 years, even with the RIDICULOUS increase in pot smoking everywhere, the available information hasn't changed. The 90 day to 6 month propaganda still plagues the most popular of sites with no known trials even attempted on different inhalation methods (0.4 G daily of a vaporizer vs. 0.4 g daily of a joint or pipe) or routes of administration (eating vs. inhaling).

Just drink alot of water!
Clear pee brings about a positive result

Take vitamin b12 to put the color in your urine!
Congratulations... so you managed to sneak one by the piss tech at quest diagnostics... what happens when its mailed to Florida and they test it for Creatinine at the main lab?

Go somewhere that takes saliva swabs instead of urine!
While the detox timelines are shorter these tests are even more wildly unpredictable.
I've abstained for 2 days with advanced notice scrubbed and used mouth wash the inside of my mouth IN THE PARKING LOT 10 MINUTES PRIOR and still tested positive for marijuana.

I've been through a job interview that was an accelerated temp hire interview process with zero notice having vaporized marijuana and consumed opiates (which hang in your saliva longer than marijuana) the same day. When i saw the HR rep carrying the familiar sized FedEx envelope i asked to use the bathroom chewed and swallowed a hand sanitizing wipe from the dispenser, and discreetly sucked air into the corner of my mouth whilst taking the test and passed.

Certainly a blood test would be best way to tell if people are high at work... Right?
Not exactly... If you work up a little sweat in the physical work environment that I've been damned to. The THC can be metabolized from your fat and dropped into your blood days or even a week or 2 after regular use.

After circulating through your blood it will be filtered and pissed out in the metabolized OO9 (whatever the fuck its called) form. so you guys who like to exercise to clean out should stop a week or so before the test. because whats been yanked out of your fat from exercising needs time to circulate and get pissed out of your body. Exercising up until the last minute for a urine test will pull as much of the drug as possible out of your fat and drop it in your blood and eventually your urine.

You will serve drug metabolites on a silver platter to your tester and you will fail! its a test of Nanograms of the drug per milliliter of urine people! Your body will provide more of these fat soluble Nanograms of Marijuana
when you spend the week before coaxing as many of them as possible out of your fat and into your urine by exercising. Unless you act like a couch potato a week prior piss out everything that you burnt up and THEN piss at a (hopefully) lower concentration because there is less in your fat to pull from and your body is doing it at a slower rate than it did when you were exercising.

Regardless of what the law says we will NEVER see the day that marijuana is removed from a drug test panel. Its just too risky from a business administrators standpoint, for every one person who can handle their drug use and keep it out of the workplace there are 2 or more that cannot. This backwards policy must be combated in silent with out remorse or hesitation. By those who can smoke weed and still be on top of their game enough to thwart a drug test with or without notice.

Sorry for ranting ladies and gentlemen, its been years since ive been on the forum. its been nearly a decade since I've researched this much into a drug test. And i feel like the available information has not grown in correlation with the growth of pot smoking.

If everything in my life goes well it will be another 7 years or longer before im back on the forums. So i had to share everything ive learned over the years.

And when I do return i want to see some answers. Real trials and errors. Weed use has blown up too much to be speculated on with little to no real data in comparison.

Someone out there with the means and the time to do real more real trials. Please provide the world with more abundant and more concrete data!

avitas said:

Every morning i put on my socks, i put on my underwear and I put on athletic compression shorts with a cup pocket like any other normal piece of clothing i wouldn't go to work without.

Every morning i lay my rubber banded bottle of urine on my dashboard (the rubber band keeps it still as you drive around turns) with the defrost full blast and my sample reaches well in excess of 100 degress before reaching the worksite.

Every morning i affix a fresh disposable hand warmer (ordered by the 40 pack on amazon.com) to my urine bottle and stow it away in the crotch cup pocket of my compression shorts. Buy hand warmers not toe warmers. Hand warmer packages are compartmentalized (you can rip open one side and keep the other side for tomorrow)

I have walked across warehouses and factories to the admin offices, taken my drug test and made it back to the assembly lines in record time. Sometimes even volunteering to go first in a crowd of 10-15 employee

I'm sorry for trailing off but i promise it ties into the topic at hand...

Recently my overconfidence gave me a much deserved slap in the face. As i went to take yet another pre-employment drug test (at a place i have already successfully faked for other employers). I closed the door and wham bam like some brain dead superstar I produced a full cup of urine in 30 seconds flat and handed out the door to my specimen collector

WITHOUT REMEMBERING TO EVEN LOOK AT THE CUP

My urine had to be in excess of 120 degrees because it took almost 15 minutes to reflect on the temperature strip. They tried 2 more fresh cups in case of technical error, and i then had to wait in a private room for a doctor to urinate a second time with him watching to verify it came from my body. I couldn't produce a sample within the allocated time and was dismissed from the site with a failing result and no new job.

Deception is no longer an option for the time being.

I've been through a job interview that was an accelerated temp hire interview process with zero notice having vaporized marijuana and consumed opiates (which hang in your saliva longer than marijuana) the same day. When i saw the HR rep carrying the familiar sized FedEx envelope i asked to use the bathroom chewed and swallowed a hand sanitizing wipe from the dispenser, and discreetly sucked air into the corner of my mouth whilst taking the test and passed.

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Something I've wondered is:

Assuming that thc vaporizes at 385 or whatever... what if you were able to keep the temperature below this point, and only consume the other terpenes and cannabiboids. Is this even possible? And would a person still test positive?

I know you can still get very high from lower temps. And according to an older mapps study(using the volcano classic), thc isn't released until you reach a very high setting. So if someone stayed well below that setting then they shouldn't have any thc in their system.

avitas,
what kind of synthetic urine do you suggest?
thanks!

Reflexion said:

Something I've wondered is:

Assuming that thc vaporizes at 385 or whatever... what if you were able to keep the temperature below this point, and only consume the other terpenes and cannabiboids. Is this even possible? And would a person still test positive?

I know you can still get very high from lower temps. And according to an older mapps study(using the volcano classic), thc isn't released until you reach a very high setting. So if someone stayed well below that setting then they shouldn't have any thc in their system.

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It depends on what they are testing for. My understanding is that they are looking for metabolites, not active compounds.

@avitas

I hear what you're saying. My country has recently introduced roadside drug testing which includes mj swab testing. I would prefer not to drive under the influence but cannot find any info on how long i have to wait before driving. The police will not say and i have heard from a variety of sources that i have to wait anywhere from 2-6 hours.

It's ridiculous that nobody can tell me just how long i should wait. I want to do the right thing and be responsible but no authority is willing to assist with accurate details. Drinkers have all the information they need to help them avoid driving under the influence but all that we mj consumers have is conjecture and rumour. Surely somebody must know the answer, it's not like mj is some kind of brand new substance that was invented last year!

I believe it is wrong and unfair to drug test people without providing the same kind of info that is given to drinkers. Otherwise it seems to me that the state is just setting us up to fail.

Hopefully as mj becomes increasingly legalised this will be dealt with. People deserve better.

I really feel badly for you @avitas, nobody should have to go through all that you have gone through. Sorry i couldn't be of any help to you personally but this is an issue i feel really strongly about and i too would like to see some proper scientific analysis rather than having to rely on the mutterings of random stoners.

So if you are completely clean and then smoke/vape 1 time, can you pass a drug test in 7 days? My research online says yes, but I don't buy it. Has anyone really tested this out?

I haven't tried it but have researched quite a bit. I would think if you smoked a whole joint or 1/2 it would show up. If you just took a couple draws maybe not? If you waited 2 weeks maybe maybe not? It would be a gamble. I wouldn't risk a job unless you are ready to find something else.

I'm thankful I don't have to take drug tests to keep my job. My husband does though so he doesn't use cannabis.

avitas said:

i asked to use the bathroom chewed and swallowed a hand sanitizing wipe from the dispenser

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That's hardcore man.

I found this on a weed blog. Some valuable info thought I'd pass it on.
How To Pass A Drug Test For Marijuana
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Hey guys, I actually was just looking for a thread like this and came to share some thoughts/opinions.

I work as a technician/engineer and while I typically work in the office, I do get tested to go on job sites occasionally by the people who would employ my company for w/e job.

Was supposed to get tested in like 3/4 weeks, recently learned that I'll be going out of town to the site for a presentation next week, so I kind of am a bit worried, but I'm not getting the impression that I'll be tested next week. (knock on wood)

These are the steps I took/am taking:

* I bought a 3 oz bottle of Quik Fix Synthetic Urine. I used this before on a test that wasn't a lab test, just a standard piss test, and it worked wonders (2/3 years back). Saw some sketchy reviews from last year, but it was formula 5.8/5.9. I have formula 6.1, which has Uric Acid and Urea added into it, and I found reports from July 2015 of people with the Department of Transportation as well as a few people who got tested at Quest Diagnostics who all passed using this formula. Same batch number as me, so I do feel kind of secure. I used to hike it up in my boxer briefs under my nuts, but when I ordered it I just shelled out for a leg strap because keeping it by your junk is super uncomfortable. Going to get a bunch of heat packs at the store tomorrow.

* Bought B12 vitamins and creatine, and started taking a LOT of creatine today (earliest my test could be is Monday) and a vitamin or two. Taking the creatine a few days before the test (a lot, its called Creatine Loading, looking at 20g a day) is pretty essential, as it takes 24 to 48 hours for it to metabolize into creatinine. I'm going to dilute like crazy the day of my test, and all things considered, I should pass the test. The B12's will give my urine color, the excess creatinine in my urine will allow it to test above the minimum 20/mg while still being diluted. If this makes sense. The water, the vitamins, and the creatine do absolutely nothing at clearing my body out of THC metabolites, BUT the excess water can dilute the metabolites to a level where they won't be tested, AND the vitamins give it the color so it doesn't appear diluted, AND the creatine metabolites (creatinine) give it the proper weight for it to NOT look diluted. If that makes sense. Had a buddy pass this way, and the science behind it seems pretty sound.

As far as saliva tests are concerned, I had to take one a few years back for a job, and passed it with 24 hours of abstinence + mouthwash before I went into the testing center. Buddy passed his like 12/14 hours after smoking. Pretty short turn over for detection time I think.

Gonna test myself Sunday (diluted with vitamins/creatine), if I'm positive I will likely substitute, if not, I'll probably dilute and if it comes up "negative/dilute" at the center, I'll use the synthetic after the fact. Was also thinking of just mixing most of my pee with the synthetic; I worry that I"ll come up diluted with my own pee, and worried that the synthetic will come up synthetic despite the positive reviews, so I was thinking that if I mixed them that would dilute things well enough and have the proper everything in the sample. If that makes sense. Pee a little bit of my diluted pee (but still positive tested) in the cup + the synthetic. Not sure yet, going to play it by ear, will let you guys know what happens Sunday and how it goes in the future

HellsWindStaff said:

Hey guys, I actually was just looking for a thread like this and came to share some thoughts/opinions.

I work as a technician/engineer and while I typically work in the office, I do get tested to go on job sites occasionally by the people who would employ my company for w/e job.

Was supposed to get tested in like 3/4 weeks, recently learned that I'll be going out of town to the site for a presentation next week, so I kind of am a bit worried, but I'm not getting the impression that I'll be tested next week. (knock on wood)

These are the steps I took/am taking:

* I bought a 3 oz bottle of Quik Fix Synthetic Urine. I used this before on a test that wasn't a lab test, just a standard piss test, and it worked wonders (2/3 years back). Saw some sketchy reviews from last year, but it was formula 5.8/5.9. I have formula 6.1, which has Uric Acid and Urea added into it, and I found reports from July 2015 of people with the Department of Transportation as well as a few people who got tested at Quest Diagnostics who all passed using this formula. Same batch number as me, so I do feel kind of secure. I used to hike it up in my boxer briefs under my nuts, but when I ordered it I just shelled out for a leg strap because keeping it by your junk is super uncomfortable. Going to get a bunch of heat packs at the store tomorrow.

* Bought B12 vitamins and creatine, and started taking a LOT of creatine today (earliest my test could be is Monday) and a vitamin or two. Taking the creatine a few days before the test (a lot, its called Creatine Loading, looking at 20g a day) is pretty essential, as it takes 24 to 48 hours for it to metabolize into creatinine. I'm going to dilute like crazy the day of my test, and all things considered, I should pass the test. The B12's will give my urine color, the excess creatinine in my urine will allow it to test above the minimum 20/mg while still being diluted. If this makes sense. The water, the vitamins, and the creatine do absolutely nothing at clearing my body out of THC metabolites, BUT the excess water can dilute the metabolites to a level where they won't be tested, AND the vitamins give it the color so it doesn't appear diluted, AND the creatine metabolites (creatinine) give it the proper weight for it to NOT look diluted. If that makes sense. Had a buddy pass this way, and the science behind it seems pretty sound.

As far as saliva tests are concerned, I had to take one a few years back for a job, and passed it with 24 hours of abstinence + mouthwash before I went into the testing center. Buddy passed his like 12/14 hours after smoking. Pretty short turn over for detection time I think.

Gonna test myself Sunday (diluted with vitamins/creatine), if I'm positive I will likely substitute, if not, I'll probably dilute and if it comes up "negative/dilute" at the center, I'll use the synthetic after the fact. Was also thinking of just mixing most of my pee with the synthetic; I worry that I"ll come up diluted with my own pee, and worried that the synthetic will come up synthetic despite the positive reviews, so I was thinking that if I mixed them that would dilute things well enough and have the proper everything in the sample. If that makes sense. Pee a little bit of my diluted pee (but still positive tested) in the cup + the synthetic. Not sure yet, going to play it by ear, will let you guys know what happens Sunday and how it goes in the future

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I've passed numerous piss tests by drinking a liter (or more) of water on the way to the tes I have randoms for my job. I get nervous every time but I've passed 7 or more tests. Even partaking the night before. I'm prolly just really lucky. Plus, I have a fairly low tolerance. Anyway, I'm rambling. They are DOT tests. I think it's just a 'dip test'. I've had it tested in front of me actually. Hope it goes away some day.

Good luck!

I'm very curious about this question myself.

I haven't vaped in 71 days now, in anticipation that I might be tested (I'm currently in a job search). Given that I was going through about half to 3/4 of an ounce a month in the EVO for about 9 months straight, I wanted to get on top of the risk so I wouldn't be sweating it if the time does come.

But what's interesting to me is how the information is so crappy in regards to drug testing in general. You google search the subject and you have people claiming to get clean in 10-15 days (as a heavy/ chronic user), and then other people claiming 3 months is the point where they'd feel safe. There are also the people who almost "shame" the person asking the question, who clearly aren't users themselves and feel the need to list whatever the read on a website.

Usually, at the minimum, I've always believed in the 1 month minimum idea (at least for your average adult male. I'm 23 and am in rather good shape so I like to believe I could process through THC is I need to).

Recently though, I've found a couple pages that challenge that belief and list significantly lower times to get clean.

The first page I found was this, which included a chart from the Nation Drug Court:

http://www.leafscience.com/2014/04/22/how-long-thc-stay-system/

I listed that Frequent users generally can get clean in about 10 days. Of course this will very, but that is significantly lower than what many people often say.

Then, I found this report, much more official, which listed a bunch of average detection times taken from a variety of studies over the years:

http://www.ndci.org/sites/default/files/ndci/THC_Detection_Window_0.pdf

Some of the studies listed showed there were issues with the testing (such as subjects possibly obtaining marijuana during the time they tested). But again, many of the tests showed that frequent to chronic users could get clean on average in 10-14 days, and while anything above that was possible (many of the tests saw the maximum number of days around 25-40). Then, this article itself suggests that a chronic user should be clean in about 21 days after the last instance of smoking.

So, to say the least, it really seems like the knowledge we have on how long it takes to get clean is shit.

Anyone have some comments on this or experience with being tested? The more I read about testing, an average person who smokes/ vapes frequently should be able to get clean in a month under most circumstances.

Last time I took an extended T Break, was 35 days before 2nd line on 50mcg home dip test faintly showed. Moderate use and eating ABV edibles.

In August for testing purposes, began vaping measured doses, no more than .1g per night and no ABV edibles. Began T Break Sept 1st. After 3 days, tried Quick Fix drink and some herbal clean tabs. Followed directions to the letter, which included drinking enough water that I should have diluted. At suggested time-frame, home dip test FAILED with flying colors. Now, simply abstaining and have a bunch of dip tests. Going to see how long it takes naturally.

Simply put, this is a real life test 'for me'. Your results WILL vary.

And for the record I think researching online isn't worth squat. Same as each person reacts differently to Strains, temps, edibles, etc.. so we all clean out a bit differently.

I've also read that some labs now test other parameters to obtain evidence of tampering, such as PH.

Anyhow, my two cents for what it's worth.

For those who can and are willing to, nothing beats a real world test.

Oh, and F_CK T-breaks!

Good luck with your test!

Yeah last time I had to pee in a cup for a job I think it took me 21 days to piss clear. Even then I made sure to have a fair bit of water on the day of the test just to be safe.

I think I may have another test coming up soon so I'm back on the straight and narrow, tested myself after 14 days but failed. Got some more test coming next week so it should be over 25 days by then. Will post back.

Only difference to last time is I was a little fatter and was combusting instead of vaporizing.

My da Buddha is missing me. Hopefully not long and I'll be back on and back to saliva testing.

I think the body's thc release rate is the same whether vaping or combusting. I say this because conventional wisdom is around 90 days max to be clean. Even though combusting isn't as efficient, you could always smoke more to make up for it but that doesn't push 90 days out to 100 days or 180 days, it stays at 90.

Another example is that the shitty brick week of the 90s has the same 90 day window as the sick dank nuggets of today. Leads me to believe that cells can only hold so much thc, regardless of the quality or consumption method.

@ 23 days...

How would you feel if you tested clean in the morning, then positive in the afternoon?

Oh, and lastly....


Looks like I'm off to post in the F U thread next!

I had my test the other day at 4 weeks. Think I would of been clean earlier just wasn't testing very often.

Everyone's different though.

Unfortunately I'm in the same boat as many of the above posters.

As some of you know, I work as an Emergency Room RN and have really taken steps to keep myself at the top of my game as far as career performance.

I got a text on the 18th of This month asking if I'd be interested in taking a position with one of the medical flight companies. I believe I stopped vaping the next night.

The plus side of this would mean that I would likely earn more money, and would work less shifts per month.

A lot of those details I've gotten word of mouth, so I will have to talk details with the base commander in a few days.

Although I have some other ancillary concerns (animal care, etc.) the thing that concerns me the most is that I've heard this company performs random urine tox screens. Although I may stand to earn more income (which would certainly be welcome, ER nursing isn't an an easy living), I will have to weigh that against the benefits that I've found in cannabis both for recreational and medicinal use.

Now I do live in a state that has legalized cannabis for medical and recreational use, that really doesn't mean a thing to employers.

I will likely have to have a frank conversation with my potential boss regarding their testing. She is a friend of mine that likely knows that I smoke. Hell, she and I have taken edibles together in the past. However, she is not a regular user by any means. And while friendship is one thing, business is business. And it likely won't be her determining who will get tested and when that will occur.

Unfortunately I'm not sure how this will play out, and I may have regrets either way. Unfortunately there really doesn't seem to be any reliable information on cleaning up, so to speak.

If anyone has any more information to volunteer, I will certainly be all ears. I have really found MJ to be beneficial for stress and sleeplessness, which have been issues I've long wrestled with.

VP