The Arizer Air

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shawn0223

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Shit Snacks said:
@shawn0223 don't pack too tight, unless you want a lot of conduction and a tighter draw. But you can just pack it like a chillum basically (p, tight enough to stay put but loose enough for airflow. Using a not-too-fine grind will help, and I also usually give it a tamp with my pinky so there's a little of space in between herb and where the steel plate will be. Also brush off any kief on the outside or bottom edge of the stem to help keep things cleaner. You can hold the stem upright packed, and give it a few taps with your finger to see if any loose bits fall out. Once they're firm, stick it in the Air and enjoy!
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Thanks man. Appreciate the info. Definitely don't want the conduction, would've stayed with the Pax if that were the case lol :mental:

So excited to try this after reading everyone's feedback on the flavor.

Btw, I fucking love Archer. Lol


Starless said:
Better efficiency, clouds, draw resistance, and taste (although taste starts to drop off as you go thtough the bowl)
Less maitenance and smell.

If I get more than one spare battery, it will be better in battery life, too. I won't be using my Pax in the near future. A definite upgrade, imo, aside from a little less stealth, which is the only thing the Pax beats it at.

Edit: Of course, remember this is my opinion after only a very short time of using it.
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Can't wait to compare these two myself. The pax does seen to have the air beat in stealth. Damn thing looks like an old iPod shuffle lol. So glad to hear it has less maintenance and smell. The pax fucking wreaks whenever you open the oven to clean after a session. And cleaning it is worse cuz your basically scrubbing off the stink lol.

The website says it's shipped but I haven't gotten any email saying it's shipped or a tracking number :doh:
 
Lets_Vape

Lets_Vape

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KeroZen said:
But the voltage cutoff is hardcoded into the Air and is thus fixed. Your cell could well support getting discharged more, yielding in theory more available mAh's, but if the vape doesn't allow to tap into them, wouldn't they be useless?
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The only reason I wanted cells that can discharge to 3.0V or lower like the included cells is to make sure the cells are on par or more capable than the included ones.

I too think the Air will cut it off before it will drain that low, I was just mentioning this as if the max discharge voltage would be higher (3.5v for example) and the Air would cut if off at 3.4v (example), it will likely causes issues
 
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Shit Snacks

Shit Snacks

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Yeah there will always be some conduction here @shawn0223, but I do think I agree with others who said the Air seems to have even more convection involved than the Solo did, but its ofcourse still not the same as an on demand pure convection vape like Underdog or Elevape. Its a really nice blend here though, level blue and white(pink) are pretty damn incredible for us who love the low temps... And yeah, can't wait to find out what the new agency name is in January after all the ISIS nonsense

Glad to hear the Samsung 25Rs might be perfect for the Air since those are the exact ones I already picked up for use with the xmax v2. Then I'd have 4 batteries to keep me going with the Air like the energizer bunny. That being said, I'll probably wait for full feedback from you and CentiZen as well so I dont risk my new baby
 
OF

OF

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Lets_Vape said:
or will you not trust any source until Arizer confirms it themselves?
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I trust all sorts of sources, I just don't support ignoring safety warnings from manufacturers and voiding warranties. I believe most here feel the same 'better safe than sorry' recommendation is best.

I think folks are free to take whatever risks or otherwise do what they want with stuff they own (within reason of course) but should tread lightly recommending so to others. Moreover, I think 'I've done XXX and haven't burned the house down' posts are pretty close to that?

I'd still be surprised if it's an IMR cell in the end. You don't see that in similar applications for sure. In general it's trading off high perk currents we can't use for longer life we could as I see it.

stark1 said:
Apparently adding nickel to extend the cycle life of the cell CAN cause overcharging, that being a not so good bang for your $199 investment. Unless, the cxt software is hard coded to prevent overcharges...


The BAK18650, using manganese may be nickel free, that may be why it is the "chosen one".

Nope. Wrong: "Chemie NMC Li(NiMnCo)"
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Interesting. For sure 'a lot more than first meets the eye' can get involved in such things. There could well really be significant factors we don't understand, such as this.

I also agree, the Air makes a very expensive (and heartbreaking) fuse......

Hopefully this will all get sorted out. For now I'll play safe cards, and recommend same.

Thanks.

OF
 
Lets_Vape

Lets_Vape

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OF said:
I trust all sorts of sources, I just don't support ignoring safety warnings from manufacturers and voiding warranties. I believe most here feel the same 'better safe than sorry' recommendation is best.

I think folks are free to take whatever risks or otherwise do what they want with stuff they own (within reason of course) but should tread lightly recommending so to others. Moreover, I think 'I've done XXX and haven't burned the house down' posts are pretty close to that?
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I appreciate you wanting to protect other users from causing damage to their device and agree that it should be made clear that this has not been tested well enough to just recommend it to people, and I don't believe I did otherwise

I've posted the information I found with the data I've found while researching it, and included a warning about voiding the warranty and general 18650 safety instructions with that, which is more than most threads discussing 18650s, it seems like those threads haven't caused an influx of people blowing up 18650s, I don't see how this is different.

'I've done XXX and haven't burned the house down' does indeed not mean 'XXX' is safe.
But after thousands of people have done XXX without burning the house down I believe it's safe to say there is a really small chance of it happening.

I believe the number of times these cells have been used in other applications with high-drain on them proves that NMC cells are relatively safe.

18650s will never be fully safe (Neither will a lot of appliances in your home), no matter how well Arizer does quality control on them, an 18650 cell can always fail in some way, by using the normal 18650 safety precautions harm can be prevented most of the time when this does happen, I don't trust Arizer any more than I do the multiple online resources
 
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shawn0223

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Shit Snacks said:
Yeah there will always be some conduction here @shawn0223, but I do think I agree with others who said the Air seems to have even more convection involved than the Solo did, but its ofcourse still not the same as an on demand pure convection vape like Underdog or Elevape. Its a really nice blend here though, level blue and white(pink) are pretty damn incredible for us who love the low temps... And yeah, can't wait to find out what the new agency name is in January after all the ISIS nonsense

Glad to hear the Samsung 25Rs might be perfect for the Air since those are the exact ones I already picked up for use with the xmax v2. Then I'd have 4 batteries to keep me going with the Air like the energizer bunny. That being said, I'll probably wait for full feedback from you and CentiZen as well so I dont risk my new baby
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I've never used either one of those, I've always used the arizer eq and the Pax as my portable. The eq not being conduction has been my favorite because the taste lasts so much longer. And I can pretty ripped with very little. Super efficient with the ssv wand
 
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OF

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Lets_Vape said:
I appreciate you wanting to protect other users from causing damage to their device and agree that it should be made clear that this has not been tested well enough to just recommend it to people, and I don't believe I've done that.

'I've done XXX and haven't burned the house down' does indeed not mean 'XXX' is safe.
But after thousands of people have done XXX without burning the house down I believe it's safe to say there is a really small chance of it happening.

I believe the number of times these cells have been used in other applications with high-drain on them proves that NMC cells are relatively safe.
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Excellent. I think we're in agreement, or nearly so. The safe call is heed the maker's advice. Through personal intuitive as time goes on we'll be able to assess relative safeties of other cells (and chargers?), as we collectively gain experience/understanding. That's cool, of course, but I think is a long way down the road. To be useful, that data has to be broad (lots of folks in parallel) and long (we need if not years not days). While no doubt valid to him, one person's experience is basically anecdotal until then? That might well be cut short by more information from the maker. Time will tell. And I really don't think it'll be very long in coming, FWIW.

I do disagree; safety in one application does not count in another. It's at most indication, nothing like proof.

Thanks.

OF
 
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Justpassedu

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I also recommend to any one who does not have a ton of battery knowledge or just wants a extra bit of safety to pick up a lipo safe bag . I do allot of quadcopter flying and used to be into racing rc cars. The batteries i use are lipos and like any battery can catch fire. so when charging or even storing my batteries i like to use a Lipo fireproof bag. I sometimes put my batteries in there when i am not using or while charging and Tenergy happens to sell one on sale for $3.95 - http://www.all-battery.com/liposafe...tFzt4tLkyGfTUcCMxBfeWY6yExIS0drynChoCt3Tw_wcB
 
Nesta

Nesta

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fernand said:
Gotta say the Air looks like a nice design. And unlike the S&B Crafty, it doesn't cost $400, and it's not plastic. I like its metal and glass vapor path like on the Solo and the FireFly. So ... I"m sticking to my Solo and FireFly for now.
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I'm still not clear about the vapor path in the Air. I assume the air enters the vents near the top. Where does it go from there? Is the air drawn down below the bowl? And then- up through the bowl into the stem?

Is there anything other than metal & glass in the vapor path, such as plastic or any electronics? Or aluminum?

I ask, not having an Air yet and never having handled a Solo. I do have an EQ but don't use it anymore because I'm not confident the air path is safe down below (circuit boards and/or other electronics).
 
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Lets_Vape

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OF said:
Excellent. I think we're in agreement, or nearly so. The safe call is heed the maker's advice. Through personal intuitive as time goes on we'll be able to assess relative safeties of other cells (and chargers?), as we collectively gain experience/understanding. That's cool, of course, but I think is a long way down the road. To be useful, that data has to be broad (lots of folks in parallel) and long (we need if not years not days). While no doubt valid to him, one person's experience is basically anecdotal until then? That might well be cut short by more information from the maker. Time will tell. And I really don't think it'll be very long in coming, FWIW.
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Yeah I think we secretly agree more than it seems with our discussions :haw:
I think I'm just trying to take the fast lane in getting the information, I don't like to sit around waiting for Arizer to give more information, if they will at all.
If no one would start trying different 18650s we probably wouldn't get any information right? :shrug: (Granted it would be better to disassemble an Air and hook it up to a multimeter to see exactly what the max drain on the battery is, but I feel like having one above the battery that is supplied is sufficient proof for me to start testing without taking the Air apart)

OF said:
I do disagree; safety in one application does not count in another. It's at most indication, nothing like proof.
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The 'application' I referred to is it being used to get power from the battery, using the available data you can calculate what a safe alternative in the range would be for the same 'application'.

Now if you were to looking to use them as fire starters I don't think that'd be a very good application for them :freak:

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stark1

stark1

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Lets_Vape said:
Now if you were to looking to use them as fire starters I don't think that'd be a very good application for them :freak:
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How's abouts wanna be terrorists, @$250, a relatively inexpensive IED? An Airhead joke.:rip:
 
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2clicker

2clicker

Observer
invertedisdead said:
You probably will want to keep the stems fairly clean for public use though. It's really the only thing that can give away this vape but other then that it is extremely discrete.
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easy fix. just get a piece of black silicone tubing to slide over the exposed area of the glass. done!

could probably even stick a drip tip or any kind of mouthpeice to the tubing to boot.
 
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OF

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Nesta said:
Is the air drawn down below the bowl? And then- up through the bowl into the stem?

Is there anything other than metal & glass in the vapor path, such as plastic or any electronics? Or aluminum?
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Ignoring the detail that Aluminum is a metal (at least was when I went to school.....) that's pretty much it. Air gets in between the stem and cup or up through the bottom of the cup, into the load inside the bottom of the glass stem. The special Air tubes have plastic tips exposed to (much cooled) vapor so to stay Kosher you have to use the Solo stems (which are included usually?).

But no Aluminum. Stainless Steel and glass. And SS only happens before the load if that's important.

OF
 
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Nesta

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OF said:
Ignoring the detail that Aluminum is a metal (at least was when I went to school.....) that's pretty much it. Air gets in between the stem and cup or up through the bottom of the cup, into the load inside the bottom of the glass stem. The special Air tubes have plastic tips exposed to (much cooled) vapor so to stay Kosher you have to use the Solo stems (which are included usually?).

But no Aluminum. Stainless Steel and glass. And SS only happens before the load if that's important.

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Glad to hear there's no aluminum in the vapor path.

But if there was, would that be a red flag in your opinion? For instance the Volcano, Crafty & Mighty use an aluminum alloy heater (AlMgSi = Aluminum Magnesium Silicon). And, if I understand correctly, the air is pulled directly through that heater.

And, while glass is preferred, I think of stainless steel as a benign material. Is there any danger when SS is in the post load vapor path?
 
Shit Snacks

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
shawn0223 said:
I've never used either one of those, I've always used the arizer eq and the Pax as my portable. The eq not being conduction has been my favorite because the taste lasts so much longer. And I can pretty ripped with very little. Super efficient with the ssv wand
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Yeah coming from and enjoying an EQ you should enjoy the Air very much, probably could replace your Pax easily. Better taste and efficiency, and likely cloud production as well with the convection mixed in. It is still a session vape though so be aware of that.

On demand portable convection like Elevape and Firefly is a bit more pure, but they have a steeper learning curve and offer a different experience. Meanwhile conduction session vapes like Indica and Goboof would likely outperform Pax for you as well with better taste and efficiency, but a mix like the Air really is best of both worlds if you want one coverall portable
 
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bounce5

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OF said:
Ignoring the detail that Aluminum is a metal (at least was when I went to school.....) that's pretty much it. Air gets in between the stem and cup or up through the bottom of the cup, into the load inside the bottom of the glass stem. The special Air tubes have plastic tips exposed to (much cooled) vapor so to stay Kosher you have to use the Solo stems (which are included usually?).

But no Aluminum. Stainless Steel and glass. And SS only happens before the load if that's important.

OF
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I also don´t own and have not handled a solo or an air, but I have read about the plastic taste issue that was brought up in the arizer solo thread.

I´m also concerned with the vapor path being clean from any toxic fumes that might off-gas from the white plastic piece surrounding the bowl. I saw that posted in a picture in this thread.

I understand that this might not be an issue, as the glass piece fits firmly in the steel bowl. When the person is vaping a filled bowl and sucks on the glass mouthpiece where is the air flowing through? I still don´t really understand. Where exactly are the holes located that allow for airflow? How can we be sure there isn´t any electronics or plastics offgassing and getting into the air path. If someone could clearly explain this I would appreciate it.
 
Vape Dr.

Vape Dr.

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stickstones said:
@bounce5 - there are two long standing vape companies that have released multiple excellent vapes that I trust with materials enough not to question them anymore. Arizer is one of them. While materials safety is a big topic for new vapes, I don't think you need to worry about that with this one.
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@bounce5, I absolutely agree with @stickstones. I do not think Arizer would tarnish their reputation by pushing an inferior vape like the "AIR" to the public if it wasn't as good as their other products, or ready to be released.
The SOLO is a pinnacle of portable vapes, I hope to get my "AIR" very soon! Mini SOLO!:rockon:
 
CarolKing

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
The oven and glass pieces are on par with the Solo, except for the plastics mouthpiece on the Air. I'm no engineer but it all looks similar. There are small holes in the base of the oven. Towards the top of the Air it looks like air get in under the oven and through the small holes. I unscrewed the top portion and can see where the air reaches the inside of the oven.

I don't know if that makes sense. @OF explains things better.
Heres is a picture with the top portion screwed off.

All that I know is that I get very nice, what feels like clean vapor flavor to me. A very pleasant vapor taste from the herb that I am using.
 
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bounce5

bounce5

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OF said:
Gentle Friends,

OK, here's what the oven looks like 'undressed':
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While basically the same in function, the design of part is such that I don't think there's a single part common with Solo (except maybe the wires.....). Not shown are two of the tiniest screws you'd ever like to deal with. Just screaming out for a chance to take a heroic leap into the carpet to await the second coming of Christ.

Be advised that getting the heat shield back over the black threaded plastic sleeve (just under the top cover, at '3 o'clock' in the photo) can try the patience of Job (to slip in a second whimsical Biblical link in one post.....). Very tight fit there, a tiny and well polished burr on the lip of the SS part would dig into the plastic of the sleeve (which also contains the 'lips' in the seal section) and it would refuse to drop over the lip on the top of the sleeve. I fought it for quite a while before I got out the emery paper and got rid of the burr......and the scars on the plastic. Be sure you're up to such stuff if you decide to wade in.

And you have to strip this stuff off to get the works out the bottom it looks like (I didn't go further this time, it might 'come out the top??).

Anyway, the new finish on the SS cup is because it's now a billet machine job, not drilling some holes in a pressed cup. That costs real money. And the 'over the top of the cup, down, around the end of the stem and up' function is now done with interrupted threads on the light colored plastic body (at about 11 o'clock) from the gap between that piece and the sleeve when it's screwed home. Air can still enter from below along with the wires it seems.

IMO a clever rework. Harder and more expensive than the original I suspect, but smaller in OD.

Regards to all our loyal readers.



Can't speak for them, but the proof is above. It does unscrew, at least mine does (which explains the random indexing of the slots you see in various photos).

Yes, a similar o-ring scheme might work, but I suggest we wait to see if it's needed with the new seal design?

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I found the picture of the white plastic piece surrounding the stainless steel bowl. Would´ve been nice if that piece was made of stainless steel as it does seem to probably be in the vapor path.

Soo what I gather from what people are saying, there are holes at the bottom of the bowl and that air travels underneath the bowl. Is the air that is being pulled coming from the side vents located at the top of the arizer air? Is the air that is pulled from the holes in the path of any of the inner electronic parts?
 
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Love the reviews guys. You got me sold. A few questions I have before ordering:

They sell spare batteries for $19 each but does it just use 1 at a time?

It says it comes with a "clear protective silicone skin", is that different than the Air Skin that is sold separately for $10?

Was the short stem included or sold separately?

anything else I should be aware of as someone that has never owned or used a solo?

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CarolKing

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
bounce5 said:
I also don´t own and have not handled a solo or an air, but I have read about the plastic taste issue that was brought up in the arizer solo thread.

I´m also concerned with the vapor path being clean from any toxic fumes that might off-gas from the white plastic piece surrounding the bowl. I saw that posted in a picture in this thread.

I understand that this might not be an issue, as the glass piece fits firmly in the steel bowl. When the person is vaping a filled bowl and sucks on the glass mouthpiece where is the air flowing through? I still don´t really understand. Where exactly are the holes located that allow for airflow? How can we be sure there isn´t any electronics or plastics offgassing and getting into the air path. If someone could clearly explain this I would appreciate it.
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You are wise to question the safety of a vaporizer. There are plenty out there that don't have the great reputation that Arizer has with it's products. I was willing to buy the Air on Arizer's reputation alone. I'm glad that I bought it. It's kinda like a mini Solo.:D
 
CentiZen

CentiZen

Evil Genius in Training
Accessory Maker
Lets_Vape said:
I find it strange to all rely on one person to test a battery while there already is data available online

I appreciate @CentiZen testing the battery but how would that suddenly be more reliable than a website like dampfakkus.de ?
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Say what? I don't think I've ever tried to say that I was more reliable than any other source of information on the topic, especially not a respected source like dampfakkus. Nor do I expect people to rely on me alone for testing. I was one of the first to have an Air so I was one the first to be fielding the questions. I'd welcome some more research on this here, I'm so busy with work I barely have any time to do any testing.
 
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