The Arizer Air

@Ed's TnT mouthpiece cools it a bit. It looks sharp with the Air.
Nothing like an Ed's stem. This is an 18mm WonG I use with
my bubbler or as a mouthpiece. I had this specially done
with the turquoise inlay. It's feels nice to use wood.

EDIT. Here's it is.
Ed's Wooden Solo Stems

ed@edstnt.com
or call 1-877-564-5058

This WonG was made for my Solo but fits the Air. The wood is just another option. It does a good job of cooling the vapor.

Maybe its just honeymoon phase, but I do feel like the Air is going to replace one or two in my lineup and allow me to get some money back... But maybe I have too many vapes lol
(as if there were such a thing in this wonderful place!)

Looks super sexy with thay gorgeous Wong @CarolKing ! Too bad I no longer have my wooden Solo stem. Do you notice it stretching out the o rings much like it did on the Solo? Mine got so loose. Meanwhile the Air is a nice fit for its stems, never had trouble getting em in either, nice and smooth yet secure, so I'd hate to alter that experience. Still need to try the Solo stem in it, but I've been having too much fun with the stealth and bubbler connecting of the Air stems!

Anyone else get a hot mouthpiece with the short stem on long draws? Got pretty warm on orange and pretty damn hot on red.

Orange is 401 degrees, I find that too hot. I've been using the lower temps. I go as high as green 392 degrees. It has really good flavor on the lower temps.

Wow this stem is great looking on the air, can you link me that stem? does he still make those?
and how does it compare to the default short mouthpiece?

CarolKing said:

@Ed's TnT mouthpiece cools it a bit. It looks sharp with the Air.
Nothing like an Ed's stem. This is an 18mm WonG I use with
my bubbler or as a mouthpiece. I had this specially done
with the turquoise inlay. It's feels nice to use wood.

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Hey Gents & Ladies!

I've finally had the pleasure of using the Arizer Air since this past Saturday. First thoughts:

Size - The actual size of the AA is great. It's comfortable in the hands, very small (smaller than in looks in pictures). I would actually feel comfortable walking around with this, as it's so discreet. It definitely looks like an e-cig... and with a fully black mouthpiece, or just the short stock one, I bet nobody would know the difference.

Build Quality - I think the build quality is better than my 2014 Arizer Solo. The stems fit extremely snug, where as my solo stems would kinda wiggle around here or there. None of that here. Very stable and secure. Everything looks good, except I'm not too fond of the rubber pieces that cover both the charger plug-in cable and the cover over the oven itself. Feels like they are gonna fall off, but I'm sure I can find replacement black rubber inserts-- or at least jerry-rig it.

Accessories - They added some nice stuff including the two short stems with mouthpieces which I think are pretty great. I guess I like having the mouthpiece. I agree with CK and others that the amount of heat this thing puts off (will go more into that below) and the stems being so short, can be a bit harsh. YMMV. I also like that they included a little carrying case. I could definitely see myself using this with two preloaded stems and a backup battery or two!

Functionality / Heat Settings - Here's where I've noticed the biggest difference. I've never even gone above white on this thing. I usually stick to blue (and that's the lowest setting) and I can still get big clouds, and about two sessions per bowl! I don't know about you guys, but it just FEELS like this thing gets hotter quicker, and stays hot. I would say that the blue temperature setting feels like setting level 4 on the Arizer Solo.

Flavor - Superb flavor, and like I said above, can produce fairly big clouds even on the lowest heat setting. It's very tasty and I'm going to run a few different strains, but I've tried some Jack Herer and some Girl Scout Cookies so far. Both tasted great, and the flavor remains for quite some time.


Overall I'm extremely impressed with this unit and even though I was lucky enough to pick up for $200 on the Black Friday sale, I would highly recommend this vaporizer even at the suggested MSRP. If you are looking for something that comes from a very reputable company, is super compact and small (pocketable!) and discreet, while still getting nice tasty hits-- look no further! This is the one you want.

fuck those condoms though eh, they are so damn hard to get off.

Didn't even take mine out of the packaging...

I had my skin on for a couple days, then decided to take it off. It was hard to get off. I mentioned in a previous post it was like taking a pair of spanx off. You roll the top down then wiggle the rest off. I've left mine off. I hope the cover stays nice looking and doesn't scratch.

rekrab said:

fuck those condoms though eh, they are so damn hard to get off.

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I've always used the "too hard to get on" excuse, but I like yours better. It eliminates the charade of even trying. Thanks for the tip.

We need to keep this thread on topic however, so let's please keep the discussion about the AA, ok?

I've found that the stems fit in a 14mm female nearly air-tight, with or without the tip. It worked great with the tip screwed off.

Hey guys, i have been wanting to test my Air thru water, problem was i didn't have a gong.... so i made one
I had my air sitting on my lap, i stood up and she fell the hard floor, one of my air bowls broke off cleanly where the threads are,

Que thesoloman sitting on the front poach with an 18/18male adapter, and 4 butane torches.

After a try, here is my final result, It is airtight and pretty sturdy, there is a small crack runing thru the conection, but i think it will hold fine for a while, and the air is so light, that is shouldn't stress it much with its weight
, but for my first piece of glass working, im happy with it.

She might not be pretty, but she sure is good in bed.

Below, is the resulting abv, when i felt like it was cashed

OF said:

Like that kind of idea(s) ?

Your call, but I'm holding off until he shows his hole card.

Regards,

OF

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Yes, I've been through the tale of the discharge curves ;-) But FWIW my only batteries that are still working are those red AW 1600s and 2000s.

We'll see what emerges on the Air. Engineers are engineers, but lawyers trump engineers. Once you start talking esplosion, and a company is shipping gear with Li batteries, there are often insurance and liability issues that override technical ones. The company clearly needs to control the battery situation just to reduce liability, say if a complete idiot e.g. makes his own battery stack. Very few people bother to read up on batteries, and yet surprisingly few people have been irreversibly damaged by them. OF COURSE the conservative thing is to follow manufacturer's instructions.

Gotta say the Air looks like a nice design. And unlike the S&B Crafty, it doesn't cost $400, and it's not plastic. I like its metal and glass vapor path like on the Solo and the FireFly. So ... I"m sticking to my Solo and FireFly for now.

fernand said:

Gotta say the Air looks like a nice design. And unlike the S&B Crafty, it doesn't cost $400, and it's not plastic. I like its metal and glass vapor path like on the Solo and the FireFly. So ... I"m sticking to my Solo and FireFly for now.

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I second that, with my FF, & Solo.

Wait out the Air, until all the possible issues are Aired out ; couple that with a hi-cap battery:

& "Air " we are. On a flight to Dreamland.

Fun. Fun. As ye Olde Folks like to say

fernand said:

But FWIW my only batteries that are still working are those red AW 1600s and 2000s.

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That can happen for sure, depending on usage patterns. I suspect this is uncontrolled use? Too high, or more likely too low a charge level going on? Li-ions are much easier to kill (unprotected) than IMRs for sure.

The same test parameters that gives 1000 cycles for Li-ions gives 600 for IMRs typically. Their main advantage is probably low internal resistance, for sure not service life, in typical use. But, again, that (high peak current delivery) 's a feature Air cannot take advantage of. I think they are a poor choice in Air......even if approved. Other, cheaper types will give very similar performance, and more use time per charge. The only way the owner would know what was inside would be noting lower sessions per charge or replacing it sooner?

Conjecture on my part, of course, but I've given my reasons behind it. I'll be quite surprised to learn Arizer is using IMRs. Eventually (and I think sooner than later) we should know more.

OF

OF said:

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I'll be quite surprised to learn Arizer is using IMRs. Eventually (and I think sooner than later) we should know more.

OF

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As mentioned before the battery chemistry - NMC Li(NiMnCo) - is listed here, or will you not trust any source until Arizer confirms it themselves? (Which I don't see them doing if they want to sell their own cells)

http://www.dampfakkus.de/akkutest.php?id=112

I think I heard FCer @CentiZen is going to do some testing on the battery, he's the expert.
I was waiting on hearing something from him? He's just had his unit a little longer than the rest of us. It's going to take a little time.

I find it strange to all rely on one person to test a battery while there already is data available online

I appreciate @CentiZen testing the battery but how would that suddenly be more reliable than a website like dampfakkus.de ?

I will be trying the following 4 batteries in about 2 weeks, I will post my findings here and graph it all out.

- BAK B18650CC (included)
- Panasonic CGR18650CH
- Sony US18650V3
- Samsung INR18650-25R

Feel free to wait for it to be confirmed by someone else, I prefer to share the information I find here to enable more people to look into this which will most likely result in the data being checked/criticised more thoroughly


Keep in mind that using batteries other than the ones from Arizer will void your warranty and experimenting with cells can be dangerous, please use safety precautions when dealing with them (This contains a lot of good tips; http://www.tasteyourjuice.com/wordpress/battery-information/)

CarolKing said:

@Ed's TnT mouthpiece cools it a bit. It looks sharp with the Air.
Nothing like an Ed's stem. This is an 18mm WonG I use with
my bubbler or as a mouthpiece. I had this specially done
with the turquoise inlay. It's feels nice to use wood.

EDIT. Here's it is.
Ed's Wooden Solo Stems

ed@edstnt.com
or call 1-877-564-5058

This WonG was made for my Solo but fits the Air. The wood is just another option. It does a good job of cooling the vapor.

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Carol i am really digging that mp. how much does something like that go for and also you feel you need to preheat before putting it on ? is the material allot thicker than glass and take allot longer to heat up ?

Lets_Vape said:

I appreciate @CentiZen testing the battery but how would that suddenly be more reliable than a website like dampfakkus.de ?

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It might not be, but he has a good track record with Arizer batteries and we trust him around here. It makes me feel good knowing he has had a go at it first.

@Lets_Vape, "I will be trying the following 4 batteries in about 2 weeks, I will post my findings here and graph it all out.

- BAK B18650CC (included)
- Panasonic CGR18650CH
- Sony US18650V3
- Samsung INR18650-25R"

With the Pana leading the BAK slightly, in their graph, the two have basically the same footprint. Sony, and Samsung's INR, add a nano-pinch of nickel, possibly better?

@stark1
I chose these 3 alternative cells as they all have the same chemistry - Li(NiMnCo) - according to the datasheets I've seen, so they should all contain Nickel
and because the max discharge voltage is lower, and the max continuous discharge is higher for all 3 cells

I intend to graph these 4 cells out based on measurements after each session in the Arizer Air to see how the cells compare then, but comparing their (dampfakkus.de) 4 graphs it looks promising for the Samsung INR18650-25R and Panasonic CGR18650CH

Apparently adding nickel to extend the cycle life of the cell CAN cause overcharging, that being a not so good bang for your $199 investment. Unless, the cxt software is hard coded to prevent overcharges...


The BAK18650, using manganese may be nickel free, that may be why it is the "chosen one".

Nope. Wrong: "Chemie NMC Li(NiMnCo)"

I see 1 member recently used the panasonic 18650b 3400mah cell's with great results. i was wondering to the user that had used them if you got a longer run time than the stock cell's being they are a higher mah ?

Lets_Vape said:

...and because the max discharge voltage is lower...

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But the voltage cutoff is hardcoded into the Air and is thus fixed. Your cell could well support getting discharged more, yielding in theory more available mAh's, but if the vape doesn't allow to tap into them, wouldn't they be useless?

I'm more used to LiPos where for a given chemistry density, you need an ever bigger cell if you want more capacity, there's no way around that. But with the Li-Ion market and this particular cell form factor, from what I've seen they release higher capacity batteries by allowing them to discharge to an ever lower voltage, which works only if your circuit allows it (in a way it would have worked if the cell was protected and the Air had no built-in charge/discharge IC...)

EDIT: I'm in no way discouraging you to do your tests, the more the better!