Sublimator Adapt A Bong or Cloud Evo

Wall St Angel said:

These are the 2 comments where members said they tried both:



What were the conditions of when you hit them, water? temp?
TDub, Was it an earlier version of the sub? cuz I know they used to have aluminum ones.

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I'd like to think I have a lot of experience with the Vapexhale cloud and the sublimator,
Since I own the cloud i've used it in all kinds of conditions, and a friend of mine owns the sublimator and i've tested that in pretty much every way imaginable.

When it comes down to it the sublimator and cloud are both great vapes, I just see the sublimator as superior because it just gives more satisfying rips, it's really crazy how fast it can extract everything from your herbs.
I don't think it's harsh, it is thick vapor but it's never burning it or anything, the flavors always nice, the cloud has really good flavour as well but then the taste starts to diminish once you get into the 4th-5th hit.

Also i'm not a fan of vapexhales customer service/warranty, the warranty on the sub seems a lot better (10 years or something). I can't think of other points, i'm sure you'll be happy with both purchases but i honestly think from experience that if you tried both back to back (like I have done) you'd agree the sub is superior...
but hey! Why not have both?

I'd say they are both very smooth hits. The Sub tastes like shit comapared to the EVO though. As long as your temperature is not too high the hits should be smooth on both units.

The "sublimation" process robs the user of terpenes, flavors, and effect. Many Sub owners ditched their units for good reason. Notice how dead the Sub thread is?

I own an EVO and Sublimator. Both units only lasted months before breaking. If your looking for a reliable Vape that won't burn you or burn down your house I cannot reccomend either.

I have been very unhappy with Sublimators customer service and policies. I wouldn't give Sublimator another cent of money.

t-dub said:

Its because on the Sub you are throwing your hit on a huge, extremely hot, chunk of metal.

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y would it be extremely hot if it was on the flower recommended temp of green light on the monkey dial like a six? tdub I know u said u tried an earlier one tho w/o the dial

Been Vapin said:

The "sublimation" process robs the user of terpenes, flavors, and effect. Many Sub owners ditched their units for good reason. Notice how dead the Sub thread is?

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is it cuz of the sublimator or is it a high temp ? i know when i had the my digi volcano if I had it on 420F plus temp I would get a dogshit hit that wasnt tasty and was harsh and negated the whole reason of using a vape.

Been Vapin said:

I own an EVO and Sublimator. Both units only lasted months before breaking. If your looking for a reliable Vape that won't burn you or burn down your house I cannot reccomend either.

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was it an og sub or a newer xlr2.0 version? and can you suggest a vape u do like? n I thought you were using " burn you" figuratively but the concern of me burning me or my house down isnt criteria

Wall St Angel said:

would it be extremely hot if it was on the flower recommended temp of green light on the monkey dial like a six? tdub I know u said u tried an earlier one tho w/o the dial

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The Sublimator is ALWAYS red hot and will burn you or anything it touches, like carpet. IMO, it is a burn, fire, glass break, trip, child, and pet hazard. Having one in the home is a liability.

t-dub said:

The Sublimator is ALWAYS red hot and will burn you or anything it touches

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Well if it is super hot even on the lower settings thats a huge flag for me, but ...

Been Vapin said:

I'd say they are both very smooth hits. The Sub tastes like shit comapared to the EVO though. As long as your temperature is not too high the hits should be smooth on both units.

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people say( which is all i can go by) it gives smooth hits, I just wish there was clarity on the temperatures of these hits. T Dub I hate to but was your Sub experience a high temp? ,n how does a high temp hit on an evo compare to volcano?

ok, its not my Sub, its a friends that I visit a lot. There is no telling what the temp is because its analog. You can't compare a bag vape to EVO, it just doesn't work. You have to go by the results you are getting and adjust from there without using numbers.

A Combination of high temperature conduction and the sublimation process makes the Sublimator much less flavorful than the EVO. There is a heavy mass of hot stainless/titanium that is cooking off terpenes and whatever other beneficials as soon as the flower is loaded into the bowl. Then the sublimation/atomization process changes the type of high and flavor even further. The Sublimator produces a very thick, very smooth vapor that will produce a unique baked vapor smell, even at low temps. Meanwhile, the EVO vapor smell like heaven. I habe a Apollo 1.0 with timer box.

The Sublimator is one of the smoothest vaped out there, but can burn/scar you easily. I burnt my nose pretty badly. The lowest temperature Sublimator hits are not near as flavorful anywhere near the EVO. The sub will also produce a unique Vape signature and skyrocket your tolerance quickly. Perhaps @Vapodudule could chime in with some Sub advice.

That brings us to the EVO. Waited about a year to order one because I had heard some many stories of problems with QC. Right off the bat my unit is not 100% and the Hydratube is not 100% either. Eventually my EVO catches fire and melts. When it did work it was giving me huge smooth super super flavorful rips. But their QC is still shitty in my experiences.

I would reccomemd the Herbalizer, but it is not the smoothest out there. If II had to have one desktop this would be it.

I used to use my Sublimator with flower at 33-35 watts. I run my EVO at 2:30 on the dial. I have done high and low temps with both units. A high temp Volcano hit doesn t really compare high EVO hit. EVO even on high is super tasty. I also own a Volcano classic.

Wall St Angel said:

y would it be extremely hot if it was on the flower recommended temp of green light on the monkey dial like a six? tdub I know u said u tried an earlier one tho w/o the dial

is it cuz of the sublimator or is it a high temp ? i know when i had the my digi volcano if I had it on 420F plus temp I would get a dogshit hit that wasnt tasty and was harsh and negated the whole reason of using a vape.

was it an og sub or a newer xlr2.0 version? and can you suggest a vape u do like? n I thought you were using " burn you" figuratively but the concern of me burning me or my house down isnt criteria

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At flower temp (I use 6, 7 and 8 quite frequently on my XLR 2.0), it is definitely too hot to touch. The sub is a hot element and hot bowl and should only be touched by the handles. Your load should be scooped in with an SS or ti spoon (no risk of burning yourself, no risk of spilling with the right sized spoon, I use ti ). Think of the sub bowl as your slide, and instead of lighting the bowl, you put a heater on top and hit it. You can hit as hard as you would hit a bong when combusting, or you can take slower draws of course.

I maintain that the flavour from the sub is incredible, especially when the sub has never been dabbed on and is cleaned properly. Like MGG says, it goes pound for pound with the cloud. I suggest that there are plenty of people discussing foul flavours from OG subs without marks on the dial (easy to set too hot) and potentially faultering dimmers (heat controls on OG unit, a cheap electrical component in the OG subs that is not so durable and liable to fail over time), or have leftover cooked oil from past dabs stuck inside parts of their heater.

Trust me when I say that my sub tastes better than the 2 clouds I've used.

I've had a beta cloud, an original cloud (both died after a year or two of use) and now an Evo that has lasted well over a year. I also had the original sublimator. I have always maintained that if you were mostly into flowers the Evo wins, and if you are an oil head the Sub wins. That was my experience. I can't tell you anything about the Subs coming off the line right now.

Everything in this paragraph is about the original Sub and I don't know if it still applies. I loved how smooth the hits were and how strong they were. It was also very efficient and the sessions were quick, if you don't count the extended warm up period. I didn't like how the effect was missing a lot of the relaxing characteristics. It was a great hit if I wanted to get some chores done, not for checking out. I didn't like the 30 minute warm up period or the burns I got from all the hot, exposed metal. The original was unwieldy, but I think they have improved on a lot of that.

The Evo can't help but be smooth with the hydratubes. I'm very happy with mine and the improvements they have made over the years like quicker heat up time, modular repair design, and I think it is more reliable than earlier models.

But again, for me it comes down to my question on the last page about flowers versus concentrates. For flowers I go Evo. And I just used the VapeXNail for wax for the first time this weekend and everyone was amazed at how smooth and tasty it was.

If you are a klutz, you would be hard pressed to hurt your Sub, whereas you could break your Evo.

stickstones said:

I've had a beta cloud, an original cloud (both died after a year or two of use) and now an Evo that has lasted well over a year. I also had the original sublimator. I have always maintained that if you were mostly into flowers the Evo wins, and if you are an oil head the Sub wins. That was my experience. I can't tell you anything about the Subs coming off the line right now.

Everything in this paragraph is about the original Sub and I don't know if it still applies. I loved how smooth the hits were and how strong they were. It was also very efficient and the sessions were quick, if you don't count the extended warm up period. I didn't like how the effect was missing a lot of the relaxing characteristics. It was a great hit if I wanted to get some chores done, not for checking out. I didn't like the 30 minute warm up period or the burns I got from all the hot, exposed metal. The original was unwieldy, but I think they have improved on a lot of that.

The Evo can't help but be smooth with the hydratubes. I'm very happy with mine and the improvements they have made over the years like quicker heat up time, modular repair design, and I think it is more reliable than earlier models.

But again, for me it comes down to my question on the last page about flowers versus concentrates. For flowers I go Evo. And I just used the VapeXNail for wax for the first time this weekend and everyone was amazed at how smooth and tasty it was.

If you are a klutz, you would be hard pressed to hurt your Sub, whereas you could break your Evo.

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I agree with 99% of what you say here. However, I get great night time hits from the sub, I use it to get to sleep and it works a treat with my otherwise out of control insomnia! I think this will be more strain specific though, and maybe heat setting specific too.

Also I disagree about the sub on oils. IME with the current model, flowers is where it really excels. It tastes IMMACULATE if it has never been dabbed on and you keep the atomizer clean (I reclaim my sublimate with ISO to ensure a perfect clean and no oil traces left to get foul in the bottom of the atomizer). Also, for me, I find that session vapes cause me to lose interest (especially with the later, non-tasty hits). I have a higher tolerance for flowers and need to be able to get medicated fast. I can hit and spend 5 tasty bowls in half as many minutes for an epic high. That is what keeps me coming back to the sub

The sub is great for high end concentrates but only if you have a separate heater/atomizer for dabbing. Otherwise, your concentrates just taste like the shit you've dabbed/vaped before on that heater/atty/piece. However, I don't like TI for dabbing, so the D-Nail has me covered there.

If you're dabbing lesser quality concentrates where you don't care about savouring the flavour, then the sub is great! However, remember that gunked up cooked on oil will make your future flower hits suffer.


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None of what I say applies if you are using a sub with stock pipe (plastic + stainless steel) when it comes to taste. These will probably not taste anywhere near as good as a clean titanium heater/atomizer on glass only.

I got to use both at least multiple times before I made my decision and im pretty happy I got the sublimator. The sublimator was just able to extract the goodness quicker from the material and produce larger hits easier than the cloud was to me. I dont use concentrates so flowers is all that have been though it and I think it tastes great especially considering I only use it through water.

@herbivore21 -- which model of Sub do you have? At the end of the day I felt like the original needed some updating, mainly temp control and covering up the hot metal parts. I know they went after these things in later versions. What version are you rolling with and is that your only one?

Mine is the XLR 2.0 Dabmaster. I have never, ever burned myself with it (owned it for a month or two now) and I am clumsy as hell. The key is to hold the heater and atomizer only by the handles. I do understand that the handles were different on the OG subs though. The temp control is great now Very easy to see which temps work for oil and which for flowers, very clear and intuitive rotary dimmer control with coloured lights to indicate which setting you are on (green for flowers temps, red for oil temps).

The heater is only a week and a half old, and pristinely clean (I am religious about cleaning the sub now after learning how much this effects taste, the bottom of the metal downstem below the atomizer is a serious danger zone of decarbed flavours from old material getting stuck. I learned my lesson with the first heater. You can really gunk it up to the point that hits taste all the same and pretty average.

The only drawback of the current version I feel is the 1 hour shut off timer. It is easily over-ridden with a quick double tap of the button, but sometimes when vaked I forget and have to wait 5 mins or so for it to warm back up lol.

stickstones said:

If you are a klutz, you would be hard pressed to hurt your Sub

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However, if you're a klutz, the Sub could hurt you.

I've owned both, and would have to say that the sub is more of an enthusiast's device, while the evo is more of a turnkey operation. They both offer great hits, and have different pros and cons.

Well i am chiming in because i am asked but pretty everything is said about the sub by @herbivore21 , i do not think i am the best person to compare evo and sub.

I own dabmaster and appolo XLR2.0 w/o heat shield. the device can suffer from taste very fast and needs heavy maintenance to perform well.
I do not like the fact old dirty particles are cooking onto the device when not cleaned. Even if it can produce reclaimed substance which i do not like (i did few post about it in the sub thread leading to an over-expectation about sublimate).
I do not like the hazard it brings from heat and surabondant energy.

The effects of sub w flowers and hash are rounds and quite full spectrum but affected by the conduction to my mind, it makes a lack in the spectrum to me (like wanting more to compensate). I would bet the sublimate production steals meds for sure. The resins is really condensing fast onto the hot walls of atomizer.

Sub is an heavy solider for extraction though. The fact that the small loads are rinsed in a sec can get some tolerance and consumption rocketting for sure. You want more and more. The clogging is stopping you by the flat taste you have, the cummulative cooking and "reclaiming" effect playing here.

I am a no dab person, stopped to reclaim, do not have a living EVO yet (had an DOA evo and soon IGG early bird 220V!). i switched to dry vaping for months now. i do not use my sub very often. I did a sub session outside with a very cold weather and i cranked it by few watts to have expected effects on loads.

My main vape are Daisy, Enano and herbalizer. Tastes, full spectrum and dry vaping mainly.

It's been very interesting reading the comparisons of the Sub and Evo/Cloud.
I have a Cloud+ and it definitely is the biggest hitter I've ever tried.
It will have to remain that way, the Sub is out for me because I am a clumsy bastard with 6 pets (4 cats, 2 dogs with active tails lol).
Expensive plus real insecurity about safety in my environment is a deal killer, unfortunately.

Sounds fucken great though