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Sublimator Adapt A Bong or Cloud Evo

Wall St Angel

Take my wife plz
First off, I am so impressed and interested by everyone's knowledge on this forum. Some of the terminology is definitely over my head( As I am merely a casual businessman). I am debating between the Sub Adapt A Bong and Cloud Evo, and seeing as these devices are similar when it comes to potency, my only concern is getting the least harshest hit possible, in other words the softest hit, the least amount of irritation to the throat. I am already taking steps to condition the hit by putting them through diffusers via a triple honeycomb bong, but I still want the better of the two devices when it comes to a smooth hit, that is my only criteria.

I had to post this here because i have insufficient priveleges to post in plug in forum so I apologize that I am being make and model specific. <3
 
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Wall St Angel

Take my wife plz
flowers, and A side-thought that you just triggered, when it comes to collecting "sublimate" from flowers, is the atomizer on the Adapt a bong equipped to do this? I saw youtube comments where a fella was complaining about that
 
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Wall St Angel,

MGG

Well-Known Member
get a sub dabmaster and use it on your own glass..

As a vapexhale cloud owner I can tell you first hand without any bias that I think the sublimator is undoubtedly the superior vape. In short, it will get you higher faster.
 

max

Out to lunch
I had to post this here because i have insufficient priveleges to post in plug in forum
No member can create a post in the plug-in or portable sections, other than a thread candidate. Your thread doesn't belong anywhere on the forum except right here in Ask FC anyway.
As a vapexhale cloud owner I can tell you first hand without any bias that I think the sublimator is undoubtedly the superior vape. In short, it will get you higher faster.
Since getting high quicker (which isn't the OP's objective) means getting more vapor per hit, that would not result in a smoother hit. The EVO is extremely smooth for a big hitter. Get a 'Vapexheat shield' and you can run it for hours with comfortable handling. I believe their holiday sale is also still going.

"my only concern is getting the least harshest hit possible, in other words the softest hit, the least amount of irritation to the throat."

As for the Sub being the superior vape, a lot of people disagree with your opinion. Vapor density is only one aspect to consider and it's not #1 on everyone's list.
 
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NinjaMindTriks

Ninja Vapor Enthusiast
I mainly use my cloud for convenience, but the sub is the hardest hitting vape I own. I find it very smooth too.
 
NinjaMindTriks,

Kief

Medicated
The Evo will be harsher because of the full convection airflow causing more of a "blow dryer" effect on your herb and throat... not as bad as forced air vaporizers, but next in line. Vapes that combine convection with conduction (like the Sub, Vapo, Solo...) seem to be much smoother. Convection vapes that aren't as open and free flowing as the Cloud Evo are also smoother in my experience... log vapes and a few others fit in here.

If you have not looked at the E-Nano from EpicVape, I recommend you do. To me, it is smoother than my Cloud and many Cloud/Evo users have switched to it for that and the efficiency. It's half the price with a lifetime warranty, as efficient (or more) as the others, and has great customer service. Don't let the small size fool you, it's a big hitter with a water pipe.

Since getting high quicker (which isn't the OP's objective) means getting more vapor per hit, that would not result in a smoother hit.
It does for me. More vapor per draw does mean less draws witch equals less "wear-n-tear" on my throat and lungs.
 

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
I have hit both the Sublimator and the EVO and for me the EVO wins for flavor and smoothness with flowers. You don't have to "blow dry" anything with EVO . . .
 

Wall St Angel

Take my wife plz
kief ninjamindtricks,MGG and Max thanks for the time and the knowledge.

get a sub dabmaster and use it on your own glass..

As a vapexhale cloud owner I can tell you first hand without any bias that I think the sublimator is undoubtedly the superior vape. In short, it will get you higher faster.


So on this video, he unscrews the bottom to get the "sublimate", The atomizer on the The adapt-a-kits seem very narrow and I can't tell where to unscrew them if at all
http://www.sublimator.ca/product.php?id_product=50

Get a 'Vapexheat shield' and you can run it for hours with comfortable handling. I believe their holiday sale is also still going.
So does the shield cut down on the blow dryer effect?

I have hit both the Sublimator and the EVO and for me the EVO wins for flavor and smoothness with flowers. You don't have to "blow dry" anything with EVO . . .
So I guess a harsh hit equates to dryness and heat, would you say the evo was cooler, and do you know if you hit similar temps?
 
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Wall St Angel,

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
So I guess a harsh hit equates to dryness and heat, would you say the evo was cooler, and do you know if you hit similar temps?
Coolness really depends on the water diffuser used. Since both devices are analog, its tough to "compare" temps.
 
t-dub,

herbivore21

Well-Known Member
I need to point out that IME, a Sub can taste incredible, or it can taste really generic and average.

The atomizer needs to be thoroughly cleaned regularly. Obviously the titanium sub is likely to taste better, but having had 2 heaters now, I can certainly vouch that a sub heater virgin of all dabbing will taste a hell of a lot better in the long run than one that has been dabbed a lot.

Especially if you accidentally dab when the sub is not up to temp, the dabmaster heater has a spot in the bottom of the heater where this oil can accumulate and get cooked in. This will give every future hit a generic errrl flavour undertone. My new sub heater which is pristinely clean always tastes incredible, beats out my E-Nano for taste (which it certainly didn't on my original, filthy, dabbed heaps of times at way too low temp heater).

YMMV

I must warn that IMO, the sub is a flower vape. If you dab high quality concentrates and/or any more often than VERY occasionally and want perfect low temp dabs, I would recommend a separate heater for the sub for dabbing, or ideally a separate enail Like I ended up getting. The atomizer's heat definitely makes reclaim nowhere near as good from your oils too. Also any herb you have done previously in the unit will leave a lingering taste in the piece/bowl and the oils from it will also effect your sublimate.

The sub is definitely the best vape for doing oils and flowers together (but no vape does both of these extremely well IME). However it is much better IMO when used for flowers only. The taste is really at another level with a pristinely clean ti sub compared to if you have got residual dabs left in there!

Still, the fact remains that durability wise the sub is a beast; even if the controller/dimmer gives out, you can still fix it yourself in no time with very little effort!

The Evo on the other hand is designed with a heater than is capable of getting WAYYYYYYYYYYYY hotter than it ever needs to for actual vaping purposes (in order to be able to heat up quicker from start up) and the malfunction stories I have read about this are scary. I must highlight that this is not normal functioning of the evo but rather an issue that has come up in a few cases due to electronic issues with the unit.

Still, this fact puts me off the Evo. I do live on the other side of the world from almost all vape manufacturers so shipping for returns is a huge consideration for me. I also live somewhere where 240v rules out the evo. I have only used a cloud plus myself. I am only speaking about the Evo in respect to it's design and reports I have read on FC about it.

Also the sub lets me load and clear one bowl after another, rapid fire style - clearing the bowls in one big hit! I can vape 1g of top quality herb in a minute flat or maybe quicker on my sub. No other vape does this!

For this reason anyone with a high tolerance or who misses super thick bong rips but doesn't want to combust should buy a sub without delay. Just remember that how you use it will determine how it functions/tastes. ;)

The sub is not at all harsh for what it produces and due to the open airflow and super quick cloud production, you are not gonna be putting your lungs through such a work out. You can get the goods out of your herb super quickly and leave the hard work to the vape, not your airways.

Higher heats will obviously be harsher in any vape of course, I'm sure both vapes are capable of producing non harsh hits - and know for sure that the sub can produce instant and absolute white-walling of your piece without much effort and with a much smaller load can do this for just long enough that you don't overwhelm your lungs. I have my bowls perfectly measured and my heat perfectly set so that I can clear the entire bowl with one pretty quick inhalation, leaving my lungs with a little air leftover and making everything much more comfortable!
 

Wall St Angel

Take my wife plz
Coolness really depends on the water diffuser used. Since both devices are analog, its tough to "compare" temps.
I guess I'm confused cuz I used to have a volcano and i would hit the bag through a bong and never cough and i've seen vids on youtube with the sub and evo and ppl are coughing up a lung... granted they are trying to paint the air for the camera so they prob have massive bowls
 
Wall St Angel,

herbivore21

Well-Known Member
That is vapor density my friend, pure and simple. No bag will ever deliver a hit like the EVO or Sublimator can.
Vapor density + vapor volume more specifically. If you breathe in both super dense vapor and so much vapor that your lungs are completely filled and you are still inhaling, you are gonna cough your guts up. For this reason, the sub is handy though. This is because you can pack only enough herb for the piece to whitewall for only as long as you can inhale for without coughing ;)

The vapor volume part will always be more of a problem with the evo. This is because the bowl is far bigger and is going to provide you with more vapor than your lungs (or anyone's) can handle in one hit, leaving you to either stop inhaling at the right time (leaving partially cooked buds in the ELB) or cough your guts up when you inhale too much!
 

Roth

Pining for the Mountains
The vapor volume part will always be more of a problem with the evo. This is because the bowl is far bigger and is going to provide you with more vapor than your lungs (or anyone's) can handle in one hit, leaving you to either stop inhaling at the right time (leaving partially cooked buds in the ELB) or cough your guts up when you inhale too much!

Why couldn't you just load less into the ELB for the EVO?

Never tried the Sub, so can't compare the two. Love my EVO though, I'd pick up another in a heartbeat if mine broke/got stolen.
 
Roth,

herbivore21

Well-Known Member
IME with the cloud plus loading less into the bowl doesn't seem to produce as much vapor as quickly as a full ELB. With the sub, I load .02-.05 and whitewall my rig at around 8 on the dial. This is no doubt because radiation and conduction are assisting in cooking through the buds quickly and evenly.
 
herbivore21,

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
I find 1/3 to 1/2 filled ELBs to work best but everyone is different, their medicine is different, temp and humidity is different etc . . .
 
t-dub,

herbivore21

Well-Known Member
I find 1/3 to 1/2 filled ELBs to work best but everyone is different, their medicine is different, temp and humidity is different etc . . .
This is very true, ambient temperature, humidity and pressure are all factors we can't escape in these comparisons. Each of these WILL change the results that users have in different locations. You can't escape physics wherever you go on the globe! ;)

Also true that different quality medicine will cause differences in vapor production.

Basically, both units are the Rolls Royces of vapes (alongside the Herbalizer and potentially the Mighty). You are gonna get great results from both working properly. The question is do you want to be using a session vape or a vape that will allow you to do one-hitters? To me, this is the big difference between the two. With the sub, you can spend a bowl in one delicious hit at the right temp with the right load. The Evo is more designed for sessions where the first hit is delicious and then subsequent hits gradually less so.

The sub is way, way quicker to load. I can load a sub, hit it and cash it more quickly than I can load the bowl of a slide, combust it, cash it and repeat!
 
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Wall St Angel

Take my wife plz
These are the 2 comments where members said they tried both:
As a vapexhale cloud owner I can tell you first hand without any bias that I think the sublimator is undoubtedly the superior vape. In short, it will get you higher faste

I have hit both the Sublimator and the EVO and for me the EVO wins for flavor and smoothness
What were the conditions of when you hit them, water? temp?
TDub, Was it an earlier version of the sub? cuz I know they used to have aluminum ones.
 
Wall St Angel,

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
It was one of the first Sublimators out, one with no timer. Both through proper water diffusers.
 
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t-dub,

Wall St Angel

Take my wife plz
So the sub n evo are really similar in that the extraction of the flower comes at the pace of your own draw, so I'm sure that cuts down on staleness, but why does the Sub do a more complete job at that? I remember at first there were claims that the sub turned the solid flowers into a gas, but that was kinda shot down ( on other forums on here)... but still the extraction process with the sub seems to be immediate, so there has to be something to it that makes it different from the cloud ( a vortex created with room temp and high temp maybe) I'm really trying not to talk out my ass here guys, but any thoughts?
 
Wall St Angel,

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
Its because on the Sub you are throwing your hit on a huge, extremely hot, chunk of metal.
 
t-dub,

herbivore21

Well-Known Member
So the sub n evo are really similar in that the extraction of the flower comes at the pace of your own draw, so I'm sure that cuts down on staleness, but why does the Sub do a more complete job at that? I remember at first there were claims that the sub turned the solid flowers into a gas, but that was kinda shot down ( on other forums on here)... but still the extraction process with the sub seems to be immediate, so there has to be something to it that makes it different from the cloud ( a vortex created with room temp and high temp maybe) I'm really trying not to talk out my ass here guys, but any thoughts?
Almost, the Sub and Evo are equal in that both can milk any piece right up. They will also both completely extract the goods evenly from your herb in a way that almost every other vape cannot do.

However, the Sub will let you do that in one massive rip, even with a more full bowl than I described above. The Cloud will not do this IME and is more of a session per bowl rather than massive rip per bowl.

As t-dub explains, the sub uses conduction insofar as the bowl is heated, as well as radiation heat and quite possibly fluidization, these all assist in super fast, even extraction.

The sublimation solid straight to gas thing is marketing language and not accurate at all. The sublimator does not actually sublimate your herb.

I will point out too that I have the current Sublimator XLR 2.0 Dabmaster, not the old timey OG one.
 
herbivore21,

Home_piece

Chronoisseur
So on this video, he unscrews the bottom to get the "sublimate", The atomizer on the The adapt-a-kits seem very narrow and I can't tell where to unscrew them if at all.

He's unscrewing the base below where the atomizer would be, where the sublimate would drip to. This part is only on the big metal launchpad version, not the adapt-a.

I have an OG adapt a bong, and what I do rather than let it drip is just scrape it with a dabber and double decker from time to time. Once in a while I get a drip on the glass, but it seems to scrape off okay. Check the Sublimator thread for lots of pictures of setups. New shorter atomizer gives you lots of options for glass too now.
 
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