The Arizer Air
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OF
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I cannot recommend that charger. IMO primary feature is low cost. And while it will accept two cells at once, it's really only a single channel charger (notice only one light?). It just has two slots. The second cell will double the charge time for both. And about the best you can say about the charge termination is it's automatic.
I've got maybe half a dozen, they're not even all that much alike, you can 'fully charge' on some only to have others continue charging that same 'battery' afterwards.
That unit seems to have a solid following. Also on my list is the Tenergy 18650 TV chose. They tested a bunch of available chargers (including the two D9 units I loaned them) and that one was their winner in terms of ability to quickly and accurately put the maximum safe charge in (therefore the longest battery life per charge, something many are interested in).
http://www.tenergy.com/01269-01
It's a true two channel unit, 2 lights, works independently.
Or you might hold on and see what Arizer offers/suggests......that might include additional factors???
OF
speedyg
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The Air kicks ass! It gets the job done as quickly or as leisurely as you want.
Draw restriction is not an issue if you have normal breath control. It is not fussy, as it doesn't require load stirring or frequent disassembly for cleaning.
One thing missing however is instant on demand vapor (no waiting). I've been spoiled by my Elevape in this regard.
Draw restriction is not an issue if you have normal breath control. It is not fussy, as it doesn't require load stirring or frequent disassembly for cleaning.
One thing missing however is instant on demand vapor (no waiting). I've been spoiled by my Elevape in this regard.
Justpassedu
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I have said it a few posts back but you cannot go wrong with the nitecore charger for 4 batteries at once - http://www.amazon.com/Nitecore-Inte...d=1417803410&sr=8-1&keywords=nitecore+charger or the model that charges 2 batteries at once for a bit cheaper - http://www.amazon.com/i2-2014-Intel...d=1417803410&sr=8-3&keywords=nitecore+charger .
Not only will it smart charge your batteries but it also shows how much each cell has in it while charging via led lights , it will also charge many other size batteries. It is Flame resistant , monitors what is in your cell's and detects what type of cell is in the charger, Automatically stops charging when complete, Features over-charge prevention to protect batteries and Features reverse polarity protection. I cannot recommend Tenergy as the above poster has , i have purchased there cells in the past and a basic AA charger and both did not perform well at all. Maybe OF has had better luck with Tenergy but i will not use there products , there cells have failed me many times using them in rc cars and quadcopters and there rechargeable AA's have never lasted long at all for me and have always got to hot when charging using there brand charger.
Not only will it smart charge your batteries but it also shows how much each cell has in it while charging via led lights , it will also charge many other size batteries. It is Flame resistant , monitors what is in your cell's and detects what type of cell is in the charger, Automatically stops charging when complete, Features over-charge prevention to protect batteries and Features reverse polarity protection. I cannot recommend Tenergy as the above poster has , i have purchased there cells in the past and a basic AA charger and both did not perform well at all. Maybe OF has had better luck with Tenergy but i will not use there products , there cells have failed me many times using them in rc cars and quadcopters and there rechargeable AA's have never lasted long at all for me and have always got to hot when charging using there brand charger.
Oh man I would be stoked if some higher mAh battery lasts twice as long, and we could charge 4 of those at once.
My only nudge with this vape is battery life. Like I said, probably not even an issue for some people, but for all day medication a proper solution will arise. I want to wait and see if higher capacity batteries can be used before I invest in extra Arizer batteries though.
My only nudge with this vape is battery life. Like I said, probably not even an issue for some people, but for all day medication a proper solution will arise. I want to wait and see if higher capacity batteries can be used before I invest in extra Arizer batteries though.
Good choice!
In terms of accessories, definitely look into extra batteries and an external charger (3rd party, not from arizer as they don't offer an external charger yet). I have a Ryot smell proof case too.
When it turns off after 10 minutes and you turn it back on, be sure to press UP to turn the heater on or you will leave it on the temperature select. I find when Im a bit medicated I'll wonder why its taking forever to heat up. It's because it hasn't started.
OF
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Nice indeed. But I suspect Arizer considered just this before selecting the one they did, be nice to know why?
OF
Belgianvapor
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Do you mean it's ok to charge the Air's batteries with the Tenergy charger or it's better to wait untill
we know more about the batteries?
This would be great news and resulting in me ordering a bunch extra batteries.
Perfect would be if I could use my cera batteries in the air.
The Air normally should have arrived today but the good people at customs are probably trying it out as we speak, letting me play the waiting game a bit more.
akwardsauce
gold all in my chains...dont believe me just watch
ok guys, i have some devastating news: i just got my air from the delivery guy but i cant even use it until wednesday due to exams...i mentioned that i was going to resist checking the tracking info and i did that successfully...
BUT, i couldnt wait to open it and so i made a boring video addressing some the questions that i noticed on here and some of them that i was wondering about...but only the questions that can be answered without using it...
so i did 3 burn-in cycles & am charging it up...i notice this weird tension as i glance at it & it glances back at me...but ill tear that ass up on wednesday at 11am (no condom since shes a virgin anyways)...
so as i wait for that to get uploaded on youtube, here is some reading material that i cant remember if its been posted yet or not...
remember to wash your new stems with some warm soapy water before using because i noticed the slightest amount of debris (was probably packing material dust)
~25 min video coming soon (i will give you time stamps so you can jump to any topic that might interest you)...
video can be found here: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-31#post-700423
BUT, i couldnt wait to open it and so i made a boring video addressing some the questions that i noticed on here and some of them that i was wondering about...but only the questions that can be answered without using it...
so i did 3 burn-in cycles & am charging it up...i notice this weird tension as i glance at it & it glances back at me...but ill tear that ass up on wednesday at 11am (no condom since shes a virgin anyways)...
so as i wait for that to get uploaded on youtube, here is some reading material that i cant remember if its been posted yet or not...
remember to wash your new stems with some warm soapy water before using because i noticed the slightest amount of debris (was probably packing material dust)
~25 min video coming soon (i will give you time stamps so you can jump to any topic that might interest you)...
video can be found here: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-31#post-700423
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Kief
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As popular as it may be, I've also read plenty of negative things about that Nitecore. There are reports of it not cutting off when it's suppose to, that's scary. Also, the I4 charges 2 batteries at 750mA and 4 batteries at 375mA... why get a 4 slot charger that can only charge 2 batteries at the better rate? A charge rate of 1A or 1000mA would be better for these cells, they like charging fast. What's the rule again, don't go above 2C?
This looks very much like that Nitecore - http://www.tenergy.com/01430 - with matching specs.
OF
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I'm going to hold off (and I've already got the Tenergy unit), at least for now. Tenergy surely thinks it's fine to charge that battery from whatever source, perhaps Arizer has some reason it's not the best choice.
I just got mine, it's on charge (of course.....). But I'm using my bench supply (so I can watch the current) and THE EXACT SAME CABLE I USE FOR CHARGING THE SOLO. This is not the factory charger cable, but is the correct inner and outer size and is only a truly scary .7mm longer than the Solo charger. This Solo charger is 9.7mm 'tall', the cable 10.4mm and the Air charger 11.8mm. It looks a lot longer, but where it counts it's not. IMO a serious design error (not the sort you're likely to uncover in Beta testing). Bummer. IMO hanging your unit's safety on a fraction of a mm when there's a world of other connectors out there is asking for trouble. In the end, I think this means I'm not going to risk using the built in charger once external chargers are sorted out. I've already got several 12 Volt vipers around here.
Existing Solo owners with AIOs, aftermarket PAs or car cords, the Radio Shack replacement are advised to take care.
It also seems the battery got here nearly fully charged (I blew it not measuring first) but the charge current is falling after less than 15 minutes charging (meaning it's now on the last 10%), it's already down to less than half the original maybe 15 minutes later. I'd estimate it was over 80% as shipped (less than 10% put it 'under 10% from full' but current readings. I still recommend full charging before first use.
The top 1/4 or so (where the vents are) is injection molded plastic, you can see to tool lines even, not metal. The finish on the bowl cup is different (bright) and the top seal is different (two ribs, not one like Solo) although the material seems the same? I also see a metal heat shield inside the vent area. It looks like the whole thing comes apart from the bottom (still) but now it's a cross screw in an interrupted section of the tailcap screw threads. That comes later, of course.
Current is already down to 150mA or so (from 800), won't be long now.
BTW, based on the numbers I see, it looks like Arizer charges this single cell at about 80% the rate it does for the two in Solo. So it should therefore take 20% or so longer to charge, 'apples to apples'. Differences in efficiency (power needed per session) is an unknown factor overall, of course.
Fun stuff.
NO! I respectfully disagree. Given we have a NON PROTECTED cell here, that's a fatal fault. Somebody needs to seriously look into this IMO. Wrecking a $20 battery is chump change to having one go off on you.......
Great 'heads up'. Thanks.
OF
Sinclue
OK disagree with me, I can't force you to be right
AYFKM??????
Had to drop my wife off at the BART. 8-10 mins roundtrip (did it in 7 today).
But sure enough there was that little slip stuck to the door...attempted delivery, etc. I know he wasn't waiting around the corner for me to leave, but it sure feels that way.
I can go pick it up tomorrow, but wife thinks she has other plans for me that wouldn't allow me to pick it up until Monday. Guess we'll see when she gets home! Gotta practice my whining before she gets home!
Its not like I don't have plenty of alternatives, its just that reading this thread is driving me crazy!
Had to drop my wife off at the BART. 8-10 mins roundtrip (did it in 7 today).
But sure enough there was that little slip stuck to the door...attempted delivery, etc. I know he wasn't waiting around the corner for me to leave, but it sure feels that way.
I can go pick it up tomorrow, but wife thinks she has other plans for me that wouldn't allow me to pick it up until Monday. Guess we'll see when she gets home! Gotta practice my whining before she gets home!
Its not like I don't have plenty of alternatives, its just that reading this thread is driving me crazy!
sasNW
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@Sinclue that sir, is God damn ridiculous! So very unfortunate
Minor detail but has anyone else received a stir tool that's insanely sharp?! This damn thing is a tiny spear, makes it easy to remove screens but I already poked a hole in one using it... And kinda stabbed myself haha this sob will NOT be going in my little on the go case
Minor detail but has anyone else received a stir tool that's insanely sharp?! This damn thing is a tiny spear, makes it easy to remove screens but I already poked a hole in one using it... And kinda stabbed myself haha this sob will NOT be going in my little on the go case
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photobooth
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That thing is crazy sharp! I will definitely be sticking to re-purposed bobby pins and toothpicks
Anybody getting the double yellow light? Think that means I'm using it too much.
If you were hoping to use it as a log like the picture I posted a few pages back... Doesn't seem to work great for that role. Charger doesn't seem to put out enough power to really use it plugged in. You might be able to get a pull, but it doesn't seem to do sessions very well while charging. Like I said battery is probably thinking one step forward two steps back.
If you were hoping to use it as a log like the picture I posted a few pages back... Doesn't seem to work great for that role. Charger doesn't seem to put out enough power to really use it plugged in. You might be able to get a pull, but it doesn't seem to do sessions very well while charging. Like I said battery is probably thinking one step forward two steps back.
akwardsauce
gold all in my chains...dont believe me just watch
this was the only way i can include the index due to this error for some reason...i dont think its more than 10k characters...
manual can be found here: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-30#post-700366
sorry for all the confusion/messiness...
also, after 3 full cycles out of the box, my battery charged up in about 1.5 hours in case you were curious...
manual can be found here: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-30#post-700366
sorry for all the confusion/messiness...
also, after 3 full cycles out of the box, my battery charged up in about 1.5 hours in case you were curious...
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Justpassedu
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Hey there is going to be negatives with anything on the market today and i agree with you. This has proven to work great for me and many people according to reviews. I cannot recommend Tenergy based on my personal experience even though that charger looks exactly the same.
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Air just arrived, damn! Even with the photos and odd posted so far, I am still struck by its small size.
With all this talk about batteries with / without protection built in, I assume this has more to do with overheating rather than leaving it too long on charge... Not quite sure exactly, but I had to leave the house with the unit plugged in... Sure it will be okay charging initially for 5 or 6 hours total...hopefully
With all this talk about batteries with / without protection built in, I assume this has more to do with overheating rather than leaving it too long on charge... Not quite sure exactly, but I had to leave the house with the unit plugged in... Sure it will be okay charging initially for 5 or 6 hours total...hopefully
OF
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OK, after a wash out, where of course I managed to loose the disk gasket (now on the second one, guess I'll be an early experimenter in replacement/modifications....), I loaded up with Kandy Kush using the longer stem.
Rumors that it works well seem founded.
I think it's harsher at the 3rd step (whatever color that is...) than Solo is on 4 with the longer stem, but that opinion could change of course. For now it makes sense.
The beep is even more quiet than Solo, these guys should show some pity to us older guys who may have attended a concert or two in our younger days perhaps, and follows the new ('short beep') format.
In use I actually find it harder to hang onto than Solo (at least for now) since it lacks the flats and lips. Something else to get used to. If stealth after dark is on the menu, this is an improvement in that all the (small number and I think dimmer) LEDs can be easily covered up completely with your thumb.
BTW that's not the normal dram vial thread, it's smaller....which makes sense, really. This one also seems more uniform than the typical Solo stem where it seals to the oven.
One other thought about the new stems, how about putting some batting into the top part with a few drops of water to hydrate the dry air/vapor again. Like the Pure Flow (or was it True Flow??) TV used to sell for the Revolution/DART.
Time to get to other things.
Regards to all, best wishes to those stalking the postman.
Fine by me, clearly your call. While it might be one thing if you already have one (or several), I still don't recommend buying one for this use. Or any other, frankly. While you might think it fast, I can guarantee you the Tenergy charger from TV will charge two batteries in less than half the time......it has a bit more current per channel and doesn't drop to half power per side with the second cell.
I'm happy to give my opinions (and experience when available) and and why I think it matters and let others make a hopefully more informed decision.
Thanks.
The concern is if the (non recommended) charger should fail cutoff and try to overcharge (destructive if it happens) normally the protection board in (most) batteries would save the day. In this case that function is built into the Air's internal circuits (and hopefully is very high reliability in whatever external charger is used. Using one with a known history of this problem (again no big deal with typical 18650s) is skating on thin ice I think.
Heat is not really a factor, it's the final voltage from the charger......this time.
All the more reason to standby on jumping in with not recommended batteries and chargers? I would not fear leaving the factory charging scheme running unattended.
Confusing enough for you?
OF
Rumors that it works well seem founded.
I think it's harsher at the 3rd step (whatever color that is...) than Solo is on 4 with the longer stem, but that opinion could change of course. For now it makes sense.
The beep is even more quiet than Solo, these guys should show some pity to us older guys who may have attended a concert or two in our younger days perhaps, and follows the new ('short beep') format.
In use I actually find it harder to hang onto than Solo (at least for now) since it lacks the flats and lips. Something else to get used to. If stealth after dark is on the menu, this is an improvement in that all the (small number and I think dimmer) LEDs can be easily covered up completely with your thumb.
BTW that's not the normal dram vial thread, it's smaller....which makes sense, really. This one also seems more uniform than the typical Solo stem where it seals to the oven.
One other thought about the new stems, how about putting some batting into the top part with a few drops of water to hydrate the dry air/vapor again. Like the Pure Flow (or was it True Flow??) TV used to sell for the Revolution/DART.
Time to get to other things.
Regards to all, best wishes to those stalking the postman.
Fine by me, clearly your call. While it might be one thing if you already have one (or several), I still don't recommend buying one for this use. Or any other, frankly. While you might think it fast, I can guarantee you the Tenergy charger from TV will charge two batteries in less than half the time......it has a bit more current per channel and doesn't drop to half power per side with the second cell.
I'm happy to give my opinions (and experience when available) and and why I think it matters and let others make a hopefully more informed decision.
Thanks.
The concern is if the (non recommended) charger should fail cutoff and try to overcharge (destructive if it happens) normally the protection board in (most) batteries would save the day. In this case that function is built into the Air's internal circuits (and hopefully is very high reliability in whatever external charger is used. Using one with a known history of this problem (again no big deal with typical 18650s) is skating on thin ice I think.
Heat is not really a factor, it's the final voltage from the charger......this time.
All the more reason to standby on jumping in with not recommended batteries and chargers? I would not fear leaving the factory charging scheme running unattended.
Confusing enough for you?
OF
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OF
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I am doing it right now. Thanks for the tip.
Cool, teamwork! Is this a great forum or what?
At one point I was using a coil of pipe cleaner (cotton fiber and wire) in Solo stems with some good results, you might consider folding a pipe cleaner up and stuffing it it?
Please keep us advised. I hope it works....... TIA
OF
Then charge one at a time... The AW baterries are under 10$, and with no care at all with under/overcharging they easily last over a year. At that price point, it's not even worth wasting the time/effort to worry about it. Throw 2 batteries on the charger to use for the day, then charge the other pair for tomorrow....
Even the solo with the 50$ battery pack isn't worth worrying about. My 3+ year old M1A solo has about 70-75% of the life of my brand new solo with absolutely no special care. I ran it until dead, and charge over night. This isn't some battery pack costing thousands of dollars, where the effort is worth it. (And this was my main vape, used multiple times every day, charging 4+ times a week)
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Scott A
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It sure would be nice if all of us had that same experience with the solo batteries.
Mrmrmrmr
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My air is less than 50 miles away from me.... Who wants to break into the sorting facility with me and grab it , there's a free air battery in it for ya 
All jokes aside i am pumped to get it tomorrow. It doesn't seem like there are many bad units, I haven't seen mention of any on the thread. That's a good sign !
All jokes aside i am pumped to get it tomorrow. It doesn't seem like there are many bad units, I haven't seen mention of any on the thread. That's a good sign !