The Arizer Air

invertedisdead

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My moms air just arrived and we just ran a bowl through it.

First impressions is I wish I ordered one for myself while they were $199.99
So much faster then the Volcano and efficient.

What is the long stem with no mouthpiece? Is it a glass straw? And what is the glass holder looking thing with no holes?
 
Justpassedu

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So will a solo 14mm adapter fit the air so i can use a pinnacle water tube on it ? About how many sessions can we get off of 1 full packing ? Thanks to all you who already own it and providing the info for us.
 
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invertedisdead said:
My moms air just arrived and we just ran a bowl through it.

First impressions is I wish I ordered one for myself while they were $199.99
So much faster then the Volcano and efficient.

What is the long stem with no mouthpiece? Is it a glass straw? And what is the glass holder looking thing with no holes?
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The long stem is an original solo stem and the glass bowl thingy is for aromatherapy use supposedly, but it never really worked with the solo so can't see it being a whole lot of use with the Air either.
 
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So Arizer says they've never tested the batteries in chargers they're not selling and can't speak to how they will react, but my friend had a efest luc v4 which used to be mine. I tried putting in a battery with 2 session on it and it seemed to be confused by the battery and read it as 3.7v/almost empty which I knew was wrong so I pulled it. Are these chemistries not safe for use in normal chargers or something?
 
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Lets_Vape

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Justpassedu said:
thanks guys . I wonder exactly what the specs are on the battery that the air comes with. Maybe somebody with the air can help out. I just have so many of these panasonic cells that i'd love to be able to put them to use. Not that it is the right thing to do but i am pretty sure there is no way of arizer knowing what battery was used in the machine to void a warranty.
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I quoted @CentiZen who posted the following on the battery:
"The battery that was sent to me is not specifically made for the Air - it is made by BAK battery Co" and "The vape has a protection circuit, and a quick google search was all I needed to find the source of the cell. The cell, by the way is 2250mAh, 3.3 - 4.2v and has a discharge current of ~5A."

Read his post here;
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-16#post-697899

@CentiZen I searched for a battery with that capacity and specifications and found the following, can you confirm that "B18650CA" is the correct model number?
http://www.bak.com.cn/products1.aspx?ProductsCateID=45&CateID=45&CurrCateID=45

If so, the max discharge rating for this is 2C at 2250mAh, so we might want to us batteries with a minimum discharge rate of 5.5A to make sure we're safe until we know what the device actually uses

Thanks!

Keep in mind that using batteries other than the ones from Arizer will void your warranty and experimenting with cells can be dangerous, please use safety precautions when dealing with them
 
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alltoreup

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That's two people commenting that have received solo stems with their Airs. Others haven't mentioned it and it's not listed as included in arizers site unless I missed it. Hmmm...anyone else get one or not get a Solo stem?
 
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Hashassin

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so it DOES use 18650s after all, eh? looks like i need to start saving up for one. i do believe this would be the first useful 18650 based herb vape. (i don't count the bender from w9tech because it isn't exactly portable friendly even if it is awesome)

add in that it looks like an ecig and would blend in perfectly with all my other vape gear i lug around everywhere i go? awesome.
 
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shawn0223 said:
Anyone know how this compares to the Pax? I love my pax but am a fan of arizer lol. For some reason the Pax kills the flavor for me. Maybe because it's conduction? Haven't researched enough lol. Plus the Pax stinks. Like bad lol. Way more than my arizer EQ. Does the smell of burnt weed/ abv stick to the air? I know on the Pax, it's loaded from the bottom so the vapor has to travel through the entire device to get you the mouthpiece, I'm thinking this might not be the case here since this is top loaded
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Lets_Vape said:
I quoted @CentiZen who posted the following on the battery:
"The battery that was sent to me is not specifically made for the Air - it is made by BAK battery Co" and "The vape has a protection circuit, and a quick google search was all I needed to find the source of the cell. The cell, by the way is 2250mAh, 3.3 - 4.2v and has a discharge current of ~5A."

Read his post here;
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-16#post-697899

@CentiZen I searched for a battery with that capacity and specifications and found the following, can you confirm that "B18650CA" is the correct model number?
http://www.bak.com.cn/products1.aspx?ProductsCateID=45&CateID=45&CurrCateID=45

If so, the max discharge rating for this is 2C at 2250mAh, so we might want to us batteries with a minimum discharge rate of 5.5A to make sure we're safe until we know what the device actually uses

Thanks!
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Sweet... so I take it we can use other batteries which are also 18650, unprotected IMR batteries, those batteries such as the LG HE2 or Samsung 25R's can handle up to 20A discharge current. Those batteries can be found for fairly cheap at illumn.com great source where all the E cig vaping guys build up to 20-30A discharge builds on their e cigs. Don't really think arizer will know that you've used a different battery, as long as the aftermarket battery has a better discharge rating of 5A
 
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My thought exactly @VaperBrah the Samsung 25R's should be more than sufficient at a much better price (for a pair even)
I wonder how Arizer would try to check such a thing indeed, I think the only thing to keep in mind is to use batteries of the same length so the spring doesn't get compressed too much, which if it is used as a safety feature might cause issues like OF mentioned on the previous page;
http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/the-arizer-air.16415/page-26#post-699621

Keep in mind that using batteries other than the ones from Arizer will void your warranty and experimenting with cells can be dangerous, please use safety precautions when dealing with them

@Hashassin
Another vape powered by 18650s which I really enjoy is the Haze vaporizer, temperature control and indication is still actively being worked on though, Arizer had a solid base to work from.
 
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Hashassin

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oh really? i hadn't seen the haze before, imma go look, thanks.


smokey_da_vape said:
I'm having a very hard time fighting the urge to buy this vape. Is it wrong to second guess buying my folks a Christmas present this year in favor of buying the air? ? Lol
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no
 
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Hashassin,
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exit said:
So Arizer says they've never tested the batteries in chargers they're not selling and can't speak to how they will react, but my friend had a efest luc v4 which used to be mine. I tried putting in a battery with 2 session on it and it seemed to be confused by the battery and read it as 3.7v/almost empty which I knew was wrong so I pulled it. Are these chemistries not safe for use in normal chargers or something?
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you forgot the @CentiZen !
 
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exit said:
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I tried putting in a battery with 2 session on it and it seemed to be confused by the battery and read it as 3.7v/almost empty which I knew was wrong so I pulled it. Are these chemistries not safe for use in normal chargers or something?
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According to;
http://www.bak.com.cn/products1.aspx?ProductsCateID=45&CateID=45&CurrCateID=45 (If this is indeed the cell CentiZen meant)
The cell has a nominal voltage of 3.6v and it can be discharged up to 3.0, so maybe they have set the cut-off lower at 3.4/3.5 and you can actually get 2 more sessions with 3.7v?

Have you tried seeing how much voltage they show when the Air indicates it needs to be recharged?

Wish I could try it myself, but I have to be patient until Saturday/Monday :ugh:
 
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Lets_Vape said:
I wonder how Arizer would try to check such a thing indeed, I think the only thing to keep in mind is to use batteries of the same length so the spring doesn't get compressed too much, which if it is used as a safety feature might cause issues like OF mentioned on the previous page
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Please be careful quoting me, I said that was one of the potential problems I saw. There are others, some I've mentioned as well.

For the record, OAL is not the only potential issue I see. Nor is blindly matching numbers proof of compatibility, it's more complex than that.

Until we know more, I maintain the only safe battery is the factory one. The maker has said there are safety issues using others (without saying exactly what) and has said using any of them will void the warranty.

Until then (when we know more) I think chat about what might be good (which could lead folks to try) is not responsible. If you want to do so I suggest a 'disclaimer' to the effect the maker warns against it on unknown safety grounds and will void the warranty if you do should accompany?

IMO too many innocent guys think 'I read it on the web' is proof it's a good idea.

OF
 
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olivianewtonjohn said:
I feel like the only thing this thing needs is some extra batteries and a more stealthy mouthpiece. IMO it sticks out the most (glass part)
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Really? It's been mentioned before but I think the short stem with the black mouthpiece looks very similar to any number of generic ecig cartomizers. Plenty of ecig carts use a glass tube to contain the juice. If you really wanted to get fancy, you could throw some cotton in the stem and it would look like the wick in a CE4 cart
 
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OF said:
Please be careful quoting me, I said that was one of the potential problems I saw. There are others, some I've mentioned as well.

For the record, OAL is not the only potential issue I see. Nor is blindly matching numbers proof of compatibility, it's more complex than that.

Until we know more, I maintain the only safe battery is the factory one. The maker has said there are safety issues using others (without saying exactly what) and has said using any of them will void the warranty.

Until then (when we know more) I think chat about what might be good (which could lead folks to try) is not responsible. If you want to do so I suggest a 'disclaimer' to the effect the maker warns against it on unknown safety grounds and will void the warranty if you do should accompany?

IMO too many innocent guys think 'I read it on the web' is proof it's a good idea.

OF
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I did not quote you there and as I know it was speculation at this point I said " if it is used as a safety feature might cause issues"

I see how this can be taken too literally though, I will add a warning about the warranty being voided as I did in my earlier post.

:peace:
 
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photobooth said:
Really? It's been mentioned before but I think the short stem with the black mouthpiece looks very similar to any number of generic ecig cartomizers. Plenty of ecig carts use a glass tube to contain the juice. If you really wanted to get fancy, you could throw some cotton in the stem and it would look like the wick in a CE4 cart
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Just how I feel. Dont know how to describe it, maybe im just over analyzing it? Someone I know has lots of ecig gear, I might be looking too closely.

I know I missed it but what battery life does this beast have?
 
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olivianewtonjohn said:
Just how I feel. Dont know how to describe it, maybe im just over analyzing it? Someone I know has lots of ecig gear, I might be looking too closely.

I know I missed it but what battery life does this beast have?
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I believe the battery estimates have been approx. 5-6 ten minute sessions per battery? So approx. 1 hour of vaping per charge.
 
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