The Arizer Air

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sasNW said:
My thinking also @invertedisdead

Could anyone with an air measure the stock stem? I'm having @VaPeD&CoNfUsEd make me a worked stem for it and I want it to be similar length
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I had him make me one that was half as tall as a solo straight stem but 2 inches without the plastic rip. 3 inches with the plastic tip. For the longer one at least.

I want to mention that since I got it my friends have all been loving the air and are more excited about t than they ever were about the solo. We actually haven't busted out the EVO in several nights because passing around the air is a great time.

I did not expect it but we have been using white the majority of the time. Air is a truly excellent vape
 
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elmomuzz said:
I received mine today. It's a fantastic upgrade to the solo. In many ways it can compete with Storz and Bickel's new offerings. In other ways it exceeds them. It gets my 100% stamp of approval.

What a great time for marijuana. :)
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I can see the air being better in terms of portability/price/battery swap ability relative to mighty/crafty, how is the draw restriction and vapor temp/flavor when set at the same temp on the air compared to the mighty? I still have my original solo with ceramic bowl and restricted draw, the draw was the main reason I looked elsewhere for a portable (I'm aware newer solos have less restriction).
 
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jdee said:
I can see the air being better in terms of portability/price/battery swap ability relative to mighty/crafty, how is the draw restriction and vapor temp/flavor when set at the same temp on the air compared to the mighty? I still have my original solo with ceramic bowl and restricted draw, the draw was the main reason I looked elsewhere for a portable (I'm aware newer solos have less restriction).
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My newer solo had very little restriction, but the glass stems that came with it wobble too much that it got on my nerves, so I made my own out of titanium. Ended up selling it to a friend to help finance buying a crafty.
 
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My initial thoughts are very positive. Didn't really go for the supplied mouthpiece - found it a little harsh. The Fbomb bubbler fits straight on though, so solved that. I used one of Ed's stems and it hits amazingly well! Very tight fit in the air for Ed's stem but the draw and clouds were excellent while providing a smooth hit.
 
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SeanSheep said:
My initial thoughts are very positive. Didn't really go for the supplied mouthpiece - found it a little harsh. The Fbomb bubbler fits straight on though, so solved that. I used one of Ed's stems and it hits amazingly well! Very tight fit in the air for Ed's stem but the draw and clouds were excellent while providing a smooth hit.
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Which Ed's Stem? I was debating picking one up, or perhaps a Turbo for the Air. Then eventually a Water Tool of sorts. I can definitely say however, I do like the small tipped stem they provide, at least for stealth! This thing really could pass for an e-cig. The arizer solo was borderline pocketable, but this one definitely will be!
 
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Centizen mentioned that the wall wart was rated at 1.2A above, why would you need 2 USB connectors?
Even most battery packs have a 2.1a USB port on them for tablets nowadays

If it is indeed 5V 1.2a I imagine any USB car adapter over 1.2a would work? Excessive amperage shouldn't be a problem as far as I'm aware

I wonder if a dedicated 18650 charger would be quicker than charging the battery in the device though
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A high quality dedicated charger is going to be quicker than using the built in charger in the air. A battery capable of powering the air should at least be able to support a 2A charge current.

And @exit is sort of right about the two USB connectors thing. Straight charging ports like on batteries and wall plugs will have no problem powering the Air from a single connector; but the USB standard for computers has a maximum draw current of 500mA. You would need at least two connectors to power the Air from a computer.

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Has anyone tried the air with an @Ed's TnT stem or wong? Interested to hear about the fit and the hit. :D
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I just tested out my WonG, it works great! Fit is tight, but it might be my favorite mouthpiece yet.

 
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I bet the Air looks super stealth with a Wong....

I actually got rid of my wooden mouthpiece bc of the tight fit though, and I had more success using the glass

I think a screw on wooden wong mouthpiece for the Air would be awesome though, hopefully Arizer are hooking @Ed's TnT up with an Air so he can make something special!
 
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I was asking for a Crafty from the wife for Christmas but saw this thread in time for her to order an Air at the reduced price. Pretty stoked to get something that looks just as good for half the price.

Now I just have to figure out a way to convince her to give it to me 3 weeks early ;)
 
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Not sure if you guys saw or mentioned it earlier but puffitup now has them on there website for the same price as Arizer.
 
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I used the standard Ed's stem. It'll be interesting to see how the Wong's go... I'm thinking of getting a few so I could leave them in my pocket preloaded with rubber caps on the ends.
 
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Hey all. Ordered an air the other day and just made my FC account. Super, super excited. I had a MFLB, but stopped using it since it was hard to use in groups who weren't familiar etc.

It looks like signature is required on the tracking info. Is it like that for everyone else? Are you guys calling in sick or what?? Debating from working from home when it's supposed to arrive on Thurs.
 
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CentiZen said:
Straight charging ports like on batteries and wall plugs will have no problem powering the Air from a single connector; but the USB standard for computers has a maximum draw current of 500mA. You would need at least two connectors to power the Air from a computer.
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Have you actually tried it with a 500mA supply? Both Puffit and Pinnacle do just fine (at least mine do), but of course charge at a slower rate.

I'd be surprised if Air wasn't the same deal.

Generally, you charge Li-ions at fixed current until the voltage comes up to over 4.0 Volts, then go to voltage control. That current is usually set by the charge controller, but if the source (wall wart or computer USB say) can only supply a lesser current, that lower current simply becomes the default. And time drags on.

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It looks like signature is required on the tracking info. Is it like that for everyone else? Are you guys calling in sick or what?? Debating from working from home when it's supposed to arrive on Thurs.
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First off, howdy and welcome to the fun and speculation. IMO tasty choice. If you don't like it, I suspect you'll have a lot of disappointed company.......

As to the delivery issue, most guys have them drop shipped to my house. I understand you new guys don't know that of course. PM me and I'll tell you where to send it, you can come by and pick it up at a convenient time. No need to thank me, I'm retired you know and have no trouble meeting the delivery. I'm happy to help out you guys that still have a job.

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Yeeeeeep said:
Hey all. Ordered an air the other day and just made my FC account. Super, super excited. I had a MFLB, but stopped using it since it was hard to use in groups who weren't familiar etc.

It looks like signature is required on the tracking info. Is it like that for everyone else? Are you guys calling in sick or what?? Debating from working from home when it's supposed to arrive on Thurs.
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I ordered one as well, where are you seeing that a signature is required? Just curious!
 
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OF said:
Actually, Pinnacle works fine from a USB port, charges slower of curse, but it still does fine.

At least mine does. I can't find my Pinnacle right now, but I have the cable I made right here.......
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You can actually use/heat/turn on your Pinnacle(Pro) while charging from a 2.1A usb port?
By it cannot be 'powered' I meant it cannot be powered just by the USB port if the battery is empty, it can still be charged slowly

So I can use the USB port to charge the Pinnacle but not while in use as standard USB ports cannot supply the 3A power needed for that


CentiZen said:
And @exit is sort of right about the two USB connectors thing. Straight charging ports like on batteries and wall plugs will have no problem powering the Air from a single connector; but the USB standard for computers has a maximum draw current of 500mA. You would need at least two connectors to power the Air from a computer.
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Fair enough, all though this would depend on the kind of USB port, my laptop has a USB charging port which is rated up to 1.5a for tablets etc so this is perfect for that.
 
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Lets_Vape said:
You can actually use/heat/turn on your Pinnacle(Pro) while charging from a 2.1A usb port?
By it cannot be 'powered' I meant it cannot be powered just by the USB port if the battery is empty, it can still be charged slowly
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No, of course not, I said 'charge'. To run Pinnacle (and Air) needs to have a working battery with at least a modest charge as well. There are no 2.1A USB ports (the spec is 500mA as Centizen correctly says), although there are, of course, more powerful chargers and some USB ports good for more (the ones on my computer will do nearly an Amp) but the specification for 2.0 ports is half an Amp.

The important point is that half an Amp will also charge fine (although slower than with the supplied 1.2 Amp supply) and once a reasonable level of charge is in the battery (you should never run it empty anyway......) from a user standpoint you can turn it on and it will otherwise behave the same (charge and use).

And, while nobody has confirmed it yet, using a higher current supply (wall wart) won't do any better with Air since I suspect something like one Amp is the maximum Air can use?

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I was going to check that out, but I left my 5mm to 4mm adapter in the car with my @Pipes solo PA, so I can't test if the Air does passthru with a beefier power supply...
 
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I won't fry anything but the worst that will happen is it will treat it the same as the stock charger and not use any of the extra current :)
 
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OF said:
No, of course not, I said 'charge'. To run Pinnacle (and Air) needs to have a working battery with at least a modest charge as well. There are no 2.1A USB ports (the spec is 500mA as Centizen correctly says), although there are, of course, more powerful chargers and some USB ports good for more (the ones on my computer will do nearly an Amp) but the specification for 2.0 ports is half an Amp.
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Ok that makes sense, I was just mentioning "it cannot be powered by a standard USB port but it can be charged while not in use" just because I thought this might be the same case for the Arizer Air if it would use 3A or so, but with 1.5a being used this shouldn't be a problem.
I am aware of the USB2.0 specification for 500mA but I was referring to USB charging ports which aren't used for data, they are usually rated up to 1.5a, but with some battery packs like the Anker Astro E3 they have a 2.1a port on there too.


Ofcourse with the 18650s those battery packs would become pretty much obsolete though and standard 18650 USB charger could always be available for charging over USB2.0 ports if a charging port is not available.

Has anyone tried a different cell in their Arizer Air yet? I've ordered some extra Samsung 25Rs, which at 20A continuous discharge should be way overkill but are a lot cheaper than theirs

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I won't fry anything but the worst that will happen is it will treat it the same as the stock charger and not use any of the extra current :)
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Are you sure?
Be careful for excessive voltage, I've seen it fry electronics, excessive amperage on the other hand has never been a problem
 
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Lets_Vape said:
Ok that makes sense, I was just mentioning "it cannot be powered by a standard USB port but it can be charged while not in use" just because I thought this might be the same case for the Arizer Air if it would use 3A or so, but with 1.5a being used this shouldn't be a problem.
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I'll give even money it won't draw more than about 1.0 Amps. If it could use more, I bet Arizer would have provided a more powerful charger? A 1.2 Amp spec fits in with Solo's charger (also about 20% surplus) and the original PA (even more margin IIRC), IMO solid design practice. It should be really easy to tell with some simple testing. I'm betting current change against Voltage will be about zero, unlike Solo which is negative (current drops as voltage goes up). Or the PA, which is positive.

That is I expect input current to be set by the charge circuit, provided the battery isn't fully charged of course. The heater can't get more power, because it all has to come through that bottleneck.

Soon we'll know for sure I think.

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