Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

philosopher

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Update after about a week and a half:

There are a ton of subtleties that this vape has that I think sets it apart from most other portable vapes. I and other posters have gone over them to my satisfaction. So I have spent the last few days really thinking hard about the downsides of the vape.

The inescapable conclusion that I have reached is that the battery life just isn't enough. As I've stated before, battery life isn't a big deal to me. With that said, having gotten a feel for the overall battery life, I have to say that I'd have a hard time recommending this vape to anyone who puts a premium on battery life.

Cold weather is the real killer for this vaporizer. If I'm indoors or otherwise around room temperature, I can eke out 6 bowls pretty comfortably. But outside, in 40 degree weather? 4 tops. Granted, the manual does recommend against cold weather usage, and I'm sure heating and power consumption played a big role in that recommendation, but it's still something people should take into consideration if they live in an area with cold winters.

The other bummer with regards to battery life is that the vape charges much slower than it consumes power. This means that even at roughly half charge, if you use the vape for 3 consecutive bowls while it is connected to power, you might nevertheless run out of juice.

Granted, these are contrived situations. I don't actually know anyone who vapes more than 5 bowls without having access to a USB charger at some point during that process, and many vapes don't even let you use them while charging. Still, I can't help but recommend the Mighty for people who really need a long battery life, given that it is ostensibly the same in pretty much every other way. As for me, I would gladly trade battery life for a smaller size. The Crafty is also more discreet (no screen = harder to tell that it's a vape), but it is a minor bummer that anyone who has cursory familiarity with vapes will think you're using an iolite. The visual resemblance in one's hand is uncanny.

And the big plus side is that I really can't find anything else wrong with this vape - absolutely nothing. If you don't like only having 2 preset temperatures, changing temps in the app is a breeze. The one-minute shutoff really is a non-issue because the unit heats up so quickly, you could forget about it for 5 minutes and it will still be ready in 30 seconds or less. When filled fully, the Crafty isn't the most efficient out there, but a tiny amount with the liquid pad can create 1 or 2 massive hits that I've never seen with <0.1g in any other vape.

Looks like I'm still in the honeymoon stage...

Heads up for any other early adopters: be very careful when prying off the Crafty hologram to clean the cooling unit. I used what I thought was a moderate amount of force, and snapped a chip off one of the railings. It still locks into place, but when unlocked it wobbles around. I contacted S&B America and they got back to me in like ten minutes (!). They confirmed there was no problem with it as long as it locks into place, but to keep them updated if anything else goes wrong. I've had nothing but a fantastic experience with their customer service over the years.

 
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Jealousy

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Could the "adapter" be made to replace the "straw"? Just plug it in instead of the original straw? Sorry if this is a clearly stupid idea, I have no experience in water adapters.

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Delta3DStudios

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Accessory Maker
Could the "adapter" be made to replace the "straw"? Just plug it in instead of the original straw? Sorry if this is a clearly stupid idea, I have no experience in water adapters.

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Possibly, but I think most users would prefer an easy to remove piece which they could pop on and off without any hassle.

I see the oval shape to the straw, this is very easily accomplished. If someone can get me the max width and max height of the straw (both parts of the oval), I can easily recreate that shape in my software. I could have a mold made in a matter of days. (I'm actually releasing a silicone WaterPipe adapter for two different portable vaporizers within the next week).
 

Smknbud

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Ok you all helped me in the past. Roth knows that I am the member with terrible throat issues and just had nodules removed. I own an exhale which I love and have a beautiful recycler to attach to it (shout to poopmachine and doughboy - it was built with a lot of diffusion buts it's huge like the exhale which I need now to cool the vapor)

So here is my question; like the solo can this crafty be paired with a water tool? It's very expensive and like our friend Carol King I may purchase this as a Hannuka present to myself. But I will not buy it unless I can turn it upside down and connect it to some kind hydra tube, recycler etc.

I went on the website but didn't get that much info regarding that aspect. If it can't be adapted aren't I better off with a solo? I'm going to DC this weekend - go DC they just passed a form of recreational - but I am putting these huge pieces in my new knapsack and lugging it on amtrack. I am just starting to do anything and i am venturing back slowly into vaping and edibles (first batch of canna butter looks good) so if it's $140 or $300, I need to care more about my protecting my voice (which this new recycler did)

I can no longer use anything without water filtration (so the pax is officially out of the rotation) and the exhale isn't practical for traveling. I would also have to get some type of mini bubbler. But I don't want to blow this cash unless I can attach.

You guys are so good to me. I'm all droid so I don't know if the apps would matter to me. I need low heat and lots of water.

So any suggestions?
I just got my Crafty a few days ago, and while it can be adapted for WT use it's just not a water friendly vape to be honest.

I would suggest to you and @CarolKing to seriously consider the Hermes Minivap . This vape seems ideal for what both you are looking for. Portability for travel if desired ( not stealthy though), amazing battery life and it's so water friendly it's ridiculous. Price is right there with the Crafty. Medication wise it can't be beat and material construction is completely medical grade.

Just some food for thought.
 

darkrom

Great Scott!
IMO the best way to make a water adapter would be sans cooling unit. So on the bottom of the cooling unit there is the lets call it "swivel adapter" that locks the cooling unit in place. Get a spare cooling unit, cut that swivel part off, attach gong joint to that.

Do the above but in a nice well made product, and I'll buy. Something you just twist over the packed bowl and bam ready to go 2 seconds. Not to mention the "swivel adapter" has a built in screen already...
 

Amazingkaddycap

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So do you like the Solo better than the Crafty? The price is a lot if the Solo is still your fav portable. I know sometimes it's hard to compare.
The solo is my Fav vape, but only because of my vaping wants, not because of function. In everyway the crafty is better then the solo, expect battery and price. I'm only on day 3 and I haven't used the solo since I got the crafty. The battery is IMO, the biggest downside, it sucks. Don't go out for the night without a charger and a backup option for vaping, the battery drains. This isn't an issue for myself, but I can imagine for some it would be.
 

Kaptan

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IMO the best way to make a water adapter would be sans cooling unit. So on the bottom of the cooling unit there is the lets call it "swivel adapter" that locks the cooling unit in place. Get a spare cooling unit, cut that swivel part off, attach gong joint to that.

Do the above but in a nice well made product, and I'll buy. Something you just twist over the packed bowl and bam ready to go 2 seconds. Not to mention the "swivel adapter" has a built in screen already...

I was thinking the exact same thing. This would be the best way to securely attach an adapter, but IMO, the vapor is already smooth and cool even on it's highest temp. With almost every other vape I have, I vape through water. With the Crafty, I've not had a need to yet. YMMV
 

t-dub

Vapor Sloth
Yes, the cooling unit on Crafty works amazingly well. Its like a silencer or muffler, running the vapor through a series of baffles. I am the king of moisture conditioned vapor and the Crafty has amazed me with its ability to present me with cool, tasty, clean vapor without water filtration.

Four sessions is what I'm getting out of the battery. Thats 2 huge lung busting EVO like clouds plus one good clean up cloud per session at 375*F packing about a quarter gram/bowl.

@VapeFiend.com did a nice comparison video of portable vapes, the Crafty did extremely well with the testers against the competition . . . :)

 
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JCat

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Accessory Maker
Right now, people are simply shoving some whip tubing over the mouthpiece tip. It works, but not a perfect seal since the mouthpiece is oblong.

If you made a piece to connect to the Crafty that bypassed the cooling unit, I think it could be very interesting too. I'd imagine it wouldn't be too complicated either. The cooling unit is the entire top (mouthpiece included) that fits onto the bowl of the Crafty.

Here's a pic showing the two separated:
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If you check out a video online, you can see how they fit together.

So you could have a simple piece that connected to the bowl, but had a whip tubing connector on the other.

Hope this helps some!
That's not true about not getting a perfect seal ... the silicone tubing I'm using is flexible enough that it shapes around the mouthpiece and gives me a 100% perfect seal (the silicone tubing I'm using comes from PlanetVape)

As far as usage with a Water Tool goes ... I actually find it works very well, I can put on/take off my adapter in seconds, and it produces tons of vapor ... the thing about the great job the cooling unit does is the water tool is more for the moisturizing then the cooling with the Crafty ...
 

QualityVapes

Active Member
Ok, I'm about to pull the trigger but whats the best website to buy it? I know someone had an issue getting it from Storz & Bickel directly but was it ok for most people? I heard something about free next day shipping. Idk if it matters but I'm in the DC area.
 
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NYC Vape

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If anyone in NYC wants to compare their new crafty to my Firefly (I have a Volcano as well) I'd be up for the Pepsi challenge.

Incidentally, I bought an extra battery for my Firefly, at a shop on St. Marks called Ivape.
No other shops I've seen carry it. I haven't been able to discharge it yet to check extra battery life, but after only a few draws the hits are so much denser and easier to draw. I suspect that this new battery will have longer usage in session as well. I didnt' have a good idea previously of what it could do, which is why I'd like to try the Crafty before buying yet another vape.
 

JCat

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Just wanted to mention .... ran the Crafty for 6 sessions and it gave me a warning on the last session that it needed charging ... thought I'd get 7-8, but looks like 6 is the magic # ... this included sessions over a decent period of time (allowing cool down between bowls).

The one thing that is noticeable as well is that after 4 bowls, on the 5th and 6th, the temperature drop during inhales is more significant and it takes longer to recover (ie. it performs really well for the first 3 and by the 4th you're starting to see the degradation of the ability to maintain temp and for bowl 5 and 6 it has a more significant temperature drop)

All this being said ... still delivers massive clouds (bigger than any other portable apart from MiniVAP) right up to the last bowl. (just have to wait 10 seconds between inhales and have to not inhale like a mad man! ... still gave really good inhales on the 5th and 6th bowls and blew out huge clouds ... but didn't go at it with absolutely no abandon which you can do for the 1st couple bowls)
 

Quetzalcoatl

DEADY GUERRERO/DIRT COBAIN/GEORGE KUSH
@OF, could we get your thoughts on this post RE: batteries?

Just wanted to mention .... ran the Crafty for 6 sessions and it gave me a warning on the last session that it needed charging ... thought I'd get 7-8, but looks like 6 is the magic # ... this included sessions over a decent period of time (allowing cool down between bowls).

The one thing that is noticeable as well is that after 4 bowls, on the 5th and 6th, the temperature drop during inhales is more significant and it takes longer to recover (ie. it performs really well for the first 3 and by the 4th you're starting to see the degradation of the ability to maintain temp and for bowl 5 and 6 it has a more significant temperature drop)

All this being said ... still delivers massive clouds (bigger than any other portable apart from MiniVAP) right up to the last bowl. (just have to wait 10 seconds between inhales and have to not inhale like a mad man! ... still gave really good inhales on the 5th and 6th bowls and blew out huge clouds ... but didn't go at it with absolutely no abandon which you can do for the 1st couple bowls)

Why does this seem to happen here and not with other units like the Solo?
 

OF

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@OF, could we get your thoughts on this post RE: batteries?

Why does this seem to happen here and not with other units like the Solo?

Sorry, I'm not quite sure what the question is. Sounds like 'why does it have trouble holding temperature' not 'why is the battery life so short'? Although the two could be related I think.

Not having tried (even seen) one in the flesh it seems to me like the battery is pushed pretty hard supplying lots of power in bursts to heat. In Solo that's shared by two batteries so they don't have to work so hard individually.

Many 'open loop' vapes like Cera, Flashvape, MFLB and so on show this as well, slower reheat times as the battery charge is depleted.

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sanfranciscosadhu

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Has anyone tried to vape with either the Crafty or Mighty on lower temperatures and if so how low?
I know most of us (myself at times included) aim for big clouds and tend to favor higher temps.
Curious about those lower temperatures on this vape though, since I'm thinking that could be rather tasty.
 

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
I want to go along with the Crafty because of the extraction ability and I'm intrigued by the app. The battery is a concern to me. That seems to be its weak point. It can be used while charging. I wonder if it would be better to go with the Mighty? It doesn't have the app.:hmm:
 
with an external battery the problem may be solved but the size will become larger and it won't be as stealthy. I would say if battery life is really important then the Mighty would be a better choice.
 
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