Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

darkrom said:

OK... some of you may object to the idea that a vape can't produce stronger effects with one vape than any other. As in all vapor is equal. I've disagreed with that for quite a while now, especially since I get equally medicated from 1 bowl in my pax as I do from my firefly. The firefly holds about 1/3 of the weight of the pax. Same bud...

So no fanboy or price bias here either, I found I got a strong high from a volcano, but I'd get the same high from a cloud bowl which is literally 1/4 the weight or less that I'd be using in my volcano. I ended up selling my volcano. Awesome vape, but not at all right for me, fair enough right?


So with all that said I think the crafty brings us closer than before (IME anywhay) to "portable desktop" aka the holy grail. I can see this being used for a desktop and portable, if battery life allows (or the mighty more ideally in that case). Its really that much more potent. I know I'll have an outcry of people saying I just don't know how to use my vapes etc and that the MFLB can get you just as high as the herbalizer etc etc. I respectfully disagree. I definitely notice a variance between devices. I won't claim to know why it is, but it is real for me. This crafty is the "strongest" portable I've used yet.

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I agree with your theory of stronger vapor from different models. I haven't used the Crafty, but I had the Plenty and the vapor it produced was a lot stronger, pound-for-pound, than over vapes (I've never used the Cloud or Volcano). But I must say, though the liquid pad did work for me, I still felt it was a bit of a hog because of how wide the oven is.

The Crafty/Mighty has me at the edge of my seat because the oven looks like it has the same design as the Plenty but not as wide! Plus they addressed the Plenty's only other problem which was that it automatically shutdown as soon as it heated up to the dialed temperature and you had to wait a minute for it to be able to heat back up. With the Crafty/Mighty they switched the auto-shutdown to happen after 1 minute of continuous use and it seems it can be disengaged by a heavy pull or you can just turn it on and off real quick. And they kept the non-resistance of the Plenty but with less vapor seeping out. Also they replaced the Cooling Coil with a Cooling Unit. All these things tell me they made these portables with an improved compact Plenty (and possibly Volcano) in mind.

darkrom said:

OK... some of you may object to the idea that a vape can't produce stronger effects with one vape than any other. As in all vapor is equal. I've disagreed with that for quite a while now, especially since I get equally medicated from 1 bowl in my pax as I do from my firefly. The firefly holds about 1/3 of the weight of the pax. Same bud...

So no fanboy or price bias here either, I found I got a strong high from a volcano, but I'd get the same high from a cloud bowl which is literally 1/4 the weight or less that I'd be using in my volcano. I ended up selling my volcano. Awesome vape, but not at all right for me, fair enough right?

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Your evidence is still anecdotal. Personally, I'd need some science to back up your conclusion and I haven't run across any yet.

Bill Densoyle said:

I don't think the Instructions For Use recommend to use "iso" or Isoproyl Alcohol, it says to use Ethyl Alcohol for cleaning purposes.

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Iso is fine. I've used it for decades on everything to smoke and vape out of. Just rinse with water and dry. Use ethyl if you like. I've never used soap. Don't like boiling water either.

Bill Densoyle said:

And also it says don't soak the parts in alcohol for longer than one hour, which I always have done to clean the Volcano with no apparent problems.

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It depends on the material and you may be able to soak these parts as well, but keep in mind that alcohol is a solvent and dissolves many compounds that aren't affected by water. You may get some discoloration or dulling to the finish with too much alcohol exposure. I've found it's easier for me to clean frequently so I don't feel the need to soak. I don't even soak grinders, but then I'm not trying to reclaim either.

Bill Densoyle said:

The 10/14 version of the Price List, available online, lists a Power Bank for the Crafty sold by the manufacturer. I haven't seen this mentioned in the discussion of power banks on the board here. It appears to not be for sale yet, same as the car adapter for The Mighty.

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You could save 10 bucks or so on a bank with that capacity and one with 2600mAh, which should get you by the majority of the time, is under $10.

Bill Densoyle said:

some people read the source material and other people rely on the interpretations of others.

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And sometimes you have to interpret the source material.

With this double debut it's interesting to see the different reasons people have for preferring one model over the other, aside from price. I think the Crafty would get its share of buyers even if the Mighty sold for the Crafty's price. I'd love to see/hear an S&B interview, explaining how they decided to hand out the features, although some are obvious, like no usb charge port for such a large battery.

Forgive me if this has already been answered, but I couldn't find the info in this thread. What's the battery life for the Crafty?

Mine should be here in the next few hours. Maybe. The tracking info supplied by S&B is rubbish. Not their fault I guess as it is through www.dhl.de Basically no updates since Tuesday. However, I reached out to S&B and their customer service has been very good. They told me it was in my country and handed over to the local carrier. It can no longer be tracked but my guess is it is now out for delivery. Thats usually the pattern so hopefully Im opening my Crafty really soon.

Crohnie said:

Forgive me if this has already been answered, but I couldn't find the info in this thread. What's the battery life for the Crafty?

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Looks like for me 4-5 bowls per charge. Which is all I was capable of getting with a firefly and 2 batteries anyway, so thats a plus that it all fits in one piece and I get the same amount. But like I said it feels stronger.

I have no science and I'm not claiming its science, but some vapes simply take more or less bud to get the same effects. Log vapes barely use any bud for example but produce very noticeable effects. My best example is the pax and firefly. Why do I need 3x more material in the pax to feel the same effects? Conduction vs convection, heat consistency and fluctuations etc. I'm not claiming to know why, but for me at least the strength will vary from vape to vape, even with the same bud.

I will be biting the bullet on the crafty very soon I can tell.
I will keep you all posted when I do.
We shall see if it lives up to the hype my friends!

sadly no delivery today oh well hopefully Monday.

max said:

Your evidence is still anecdotal. Personally, I'd need some science to back up your conclusion and I haven't run across any yet.

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Yes the evidence is anecdotal, but not sure why you seem to think it's worthless due to that fact.

Personally I like to see how people compare the flavor/production to other vapes they've tried. It helps give you a frame of reference to their past experiences so you can compare them to your own.

Obviously the findings are subjective, and should in no way be taken as gospel. Different people could try the same exact vapes and come up with a completely different ranking. That's fine. I'm looking more at the aggregate info from everyone.

From my perspective, I appreciate everyone who has compared the Mighty/Crafty to other vapes they've tried. Helps to give me a clearer picture of what the possibilities might be. I will be posting my comparisons for others to interpret once I get my Crafty. I don't expect people to take my word as the truth, just another opinion to add to the collective information.

darkrom said:

Log vapes barely use any bud for example but produce very noticeable effects.

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And you can use the same amount in a big hitting whip vape like the SSV, over the same amount of time, and get the same effect. It's not the way anyone would normally use a big hitter, due to the poor vapor/air ratio with such a small amount, but it worked for me when I tested it, proving to my satisfaction that both models were equally efficient, allowing for vapor loss due to a longer air path in the SSV.

Roth said:

not sure why you seem to think it's worthless due to that fact.

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Where did I use the term worthless, or anything even vaguely related? Please don't put words in my mouth. Flavor and vapor production are different from one design being able to extract more vapor and provide more effect than another. If you say model x gets me higher, all else being equal, then there has to be a reason for it, and nobody has ever provided one that adds up for me.

Roth said:

Different people could try the same exact vapes and come up with a completely different ranking. That's fine. I'm looking more at the aggregate info from everyone.

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Which is pretty much what I said- that I've seen opposite opinions on all kinds of vape factors, from taste to eficiency (which has a different definition to different people, BTW, adding to confusion), and reading just a few opinions may not be enough to judge. If you're going to criticize what I said, you should at least get it right. I don't think that's too much to ask.

Crohnie said:

Forgive me if this has already been answered, but I couldn't find the info in this thread. What's the battery life for the Crafty?

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If you mean vaping time I don't know that anyone has tested that, and S&B doesn't say. If you mean how long before you have to get the battery replaced, I'd count on a few hundred cycles/couple of years. Frequent charging would be better than draining the battery.

I did a breakdown of what I got battery life (bottom page 16) sure to be different depending on your usage. But gives a rough ideal.

Due to 1 min shutoff been using unit to get where need to be then turn off. This makes battery life a bit different than say a pax or acsent where I tend to more sip hits over time.

Glad to hear you'll be getting one as well @Vape Dr. , excited to see how you put it through its paces!

@darkrom what so you notice about the Crafty's conduction properties? In comparing to the firefly, the on demand vapor would set it apart and ensure pure convection, so I'm just curious what its like with the session style heating of the Crafty. I did notice in that first mighty video at 375F it looked like there was plenty of vapor pouring out of the unit in between hits. What has your experience been so far? The Solo comparison interests me for this reason more than taste (already seems pretty clear that taste is a win with the crafty), since the Solo conducts a fair amount despite using a lot to convection too.

I'm so tempted to pick up a crafty as well, but like for most, that damn price is such a hindrance!

max said:

Where did I use the term worthless, or anything even vaguely related? Please don't put words in my mouth. Flavor and vapor production are different from one design being able to extract more vapor and provide more effect than another.

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From this post:

max said:

Let's not get into attributing value to certain models based on a particular individual's taste buds...If someone wants to report a good taste that's fine, but listing a vape inventory by taste is going overboard IMO, and way to subjective.

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You didn't use the exact word "worthless", but that is most definitely the tone I get from reading what you wrote.

It seems as if you're trying to shut down comparisons between other vapes that users currently own. I'm simply trying to express my opinion that that info is in fact VERY helpful to a large majority of users. Seeing how someone compares the Crafty/Mighty to the flavor of the EVO is very helpful for me, since the EVO is my daily driver. Do I take their opinion as cold hard fact? Of course not, it is one opinion of one person who might have a completely different opinion on it then myself.


Just like I take your opinion on taste into my aggregate of info:

max said:

If HerbieVonVapster prefers his iolite taste to his Magic Flight, it's fine with me, but I'll reverse that order every time, and that's even with my big to the first hit from a fresh bowl on the iolite.

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It's good to have numerous opinions from lots of different people. Yes, it's pretty pointless if only a few people report what they feel. But the more that do, the greater the wealth of info that's out there for people to try and make an informed decision.

It would be amazing if everyone had a place they could try vapes of all sorts, but unfortunately that's not a reality for most users. Relying on first hand info from users with similar experiences/vapes is the next best thing imo.

max said:

If you're going to criticize what I said, you should at least get it right. I don't think that's too much to ask.

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I apologize if I misread what you said, but after reading your posts again, I still came away with the same conclusion. Tone is often hard to interpret online, so if I'm in error, my bad.



My main point, I appreciate it when people compare the use of a vape to other vapes in their inventory. You might not agree with that, no problem! That's your opinion and you're obviously entitled to it. I'm just trying to express that your opinion is not reflective of everyone else. MANY people find those comparisons VERY helpful.

Shit Snacks said:

Glad to hear you'll be getting one as well @Vape Dr. , excited to see how you put it through its paces!

@darkrom what so you notice about the Crafty's conduction properties? In comparing to the firefly, the on demand vapor would set it apart and ensure pure convection, so I'm just curious what its like with the session style heating of the Crafty. I did notice in that first mighty video at 375F it looked like there was plenty of vapor pouring out of the unit in between hits. What has your experience been so far? The Solo comparison interests me for this reason more than taste (already seems pretty clear that taste is a win with the crafty), since the Solo conducts a fair amount despite using a lot to convection too.

I'm so tempted to pick up a crafty as well, but like for most, that damn price is such a hindrance!

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I know there's been other information but on the German SB website it says it uses convection and RADIATION heating (like the MFLB) to ensure vapor from the first draw.
Maybe that's why there was so much confusion.

True taste is very subjective. When buying a vaporizer that you've never had the opportunity to try out, other opinions are the only thing to go on. Taste is one of the most obvious thing that you are going to want to know about. You put all the comparisons together and decide for yourself. Unfortunately as of yet there is no places to try out vaporizers before you buy. Hopefully while all of us are deciding for ourselves maybe the price will come down a bit. A Christmas 20% off sale would be nice for us FCers.

CarolKing said:

Hopefully while all of us are deciding for ourselves maybe the price will come down a bit. A Christmas 20% off sale would be nice for us FCers.

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That would be amazing, but not sure I'd hold my breath.

Curious, has S&B ever offered any sort of sale in the past, or allowed authorized vendors to drop the price? I know when vape sites have site-wide sales, I've always noticed S&B products and maybe a few other brands are excluded.

Like Apple, it appears S&B has a tight grip on the MSRP. To get around that, some sites offer a free bag, or other accessory to entice buyers to their site during the sale.

Just ordered one! ... with a "wear-and-tear set" and extra screens (I image an extra cooling unit and mouthpieces will be nice to allow for longer times between cleaning)

Now the waiting begins

Just pulled the trigger on the Crafty. I'm really excited for this vaporizer so I can't wait to have it in my hands! I love the free next-day shipping.

I don't notice any conduction taste at all. Usually conduction vapes REALLY irritate my throat. Feels like convection, and no stirring and even ABV help that feeling as well.

I think the cleaning claims are unfounded so far. I've had 6ish bowls in it so far. Dumping it out while its warm and blowing on the screen and the thing looks brand new.

max said:

You could save 10 bucks or so on a bank with that capacity and one with 2600mAh, which should get you by the majority of the time, is under $10.

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Save $10-20 vs. use official S&B components including the Crafty Power Bank?
It would be an easy choice for me, if I was into The Crafty.

Well thanks Roth was going let max's comments speak for themself.
Ah well that did get me to pull out the MFLB and iolite and compare ...for what its worth Max memory was wrong MFLB tasted better.

Anyways looks like this vaporizers getting into hands of better know member.

Few things I can add is battery does seem to take awhile to charge. Really don't feel its a group vaporizer. I feel it targeted towards medical use than recreational in design and use.

Topfins can get hot with heavy use. Bottom area and battery do stay cool to the touch.

Update: Android app is working now on my Nexus 5, not sure what my problem was yesterday. Didn't do anything differently. App works well and its quite cool to see the temps change in real time. Was nice to be able to change both the temps and the LED brightness. One small glitch I've noticed is that the "boost" temp is set to go up by +59F when it actually goes up to the low 380s. I'm sure that this will be fixed in an app update.

Also, battery life seems to be improving. Here's a breakdown of a battery test that I conducted yesterday with a friend. Waited at least 15 minutes between sessions. Both temps are the default presets so they can be replicated by others to establish a baseline:
1. On for 4:17, boost for 1:15, off
2. On for 3:33, boost for 2:02, off
3. On for 3:15, boost for 3:56, off
4. On for 3:23, boost for 3:36, off
5. On for 5:30, boost for 3:03, off
6. Unit powered itself off during heatup


Was already pleased with the unit but am much happier to have the app working and the battery performing better.

Edit: Full recharge took 2 hours plus a few minutes.

Sorry if this has been answered already, but I couldn't find the I do I need storz-bickel.. what is the max temp of the crafty?

andygut said:

Sorry if this has been answered already, but I couldn't find the I do I need storz-bickel.. what is the max temp of the crafty?

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210C/410F

HerbieVonVapster said:

for what its worth Max memory was wrong MFLB tasted better.

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If you're saying that it's your opinion that the MF has better taste than the iolite, then you should reread my post, because that's exactly my opinion as well. And my opinion is no more valid than yours or anyone else's, so I don't get why you're making a big deal out of it. You offer an opinion, not argue it. And since you're not including the Crafty in your taste ranking, it's off topic anyway, so please drop it.

El Barto said:

Was nice to be able to change both the temps and the LED brightness.

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You don't say how you changed the presets, or which direction you went with the brightness, but if you went down in temp and lowered brightness, it makes sense that your battery time would increase.

Bill Densoyle said:

Save $10-20 vs. use official S&B components including the Crafty Power Bank?
It would be an easy choice for me, if I was into The Crafty.

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Does S&B make power banks, or just have a company make 'em and put their name on? You're welcome to stick with official S&B accessories, but USB power is USB power for me. You won't convince me that their bank is anything special.

max said:

You don't say what you changed the presets too, or which direction you went with the brightness, but if you went down in temp and lowered brightness, it makes sense that your battery time would increase.

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LED brightness went way down. Changed temps in both directions but not for the battery test because I was using the preset temperatures.