Discontinued VapeXhale Cloud EVO

Seek said:

I think that even if the heat shield emited some smell, it's isolated from the airpath.
More wristbands may not help like on the old metal cloud. I have over a dozen of wristbands on the top of my EVO and i think it can gen even hotter beacuse it's can't loose heat as fast. Without so much wristbands, it can't ever get warm below the top, but with them, the middle gets warm slowly and it remains cold only at the very base of the unit. I can't wait for my first vapexhale heat shield.
When I plug the intake on my unit I don't get any combustion. I just can't pull at all until i release it. If you're getting combustion this way, you should check your bamboo for cracks.
The only way I can combust with the EVO is to pull really slowly for a long time on a high-end temperature setting.

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Sorry i should of explained better. Its not that it gets into my hit, but when i'm using a smaller bubbler with it and the EVO/shield is somewhat close to my face while hitting it, i can smell the slight odor that comes from it while i'm inhaling and its not pleasant at times. Thanks for the tips on the wristbands. I'll stick it out with the heat shield, hopefully the smell goes away or i will just stop noticing it. With the shield i can grab it almost anywhere, except the very top, and it doesnt feel too hot on my hand.

I was resting the EVO on my knee while holding it so i think I probably blocked the airway, while still allowing some air to get through. That was the only way I have combusted so far. I just keep it on the table now and I'm getting beautiful hits at 3 o clock, with varying color of abv with different material. From light brown to dark brown.

oldiebutgoodie said:

Welcome to the FC forum and the EVO thread!


Re the nail, the key there is that less is more, both less material and less heat. The extraction efficiency is phenomenal. You might search on posts in this thread about the VXN by @Enchantre. She is very experienced and has done a lot of great experimenting with the VXN and various concentrates. Once you get the routine down, it actually is quite simple. And, you'll be getting a higher output ratio too, making for greater economy. (I find the same is true with flowers.)

Capping the bottom air intake is called "throttling." It's a technique some of us used with the earlier generation Clouds to change the air ratio. With the EVO's new firmware, not only unnecessary but a bad idea, as you discovered. If the EVO combusts, something is amiss with machine and/or technique.

About the ABV . . . The EVO is strictly speaking a combination conduction/convection machine but with the convection doing by far most of the work. (Note that proper loading of the ELB and keeping it clean is very important.) Depending on your herb, it is not uncommon for the herb to be fully extracted and yet not that very dark, almost burnt, color that other vapes produce. In other words, with the EVO more is at work than just raw heat. Many of us have tested this by taking ABV from the EVO and vaping it through another machine, only to find no more vapor being produced.

Hope some of that helps. Keep us apprised of your progress. And again, welcome.

--OBG

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Thanks OBG for all the info and the warm welcome. Was a fun weekend playing with the EVO. Reading back some posts and seeing some more recent ones from Enchantre and macbill was very informative. You are quite right, it really is just getting used to your EVO and VXN. It all becomes routine quick. As soon as i see a little bit of vapor coming out of the top of the nail, i put the HT on, count to 8, turn off the EVO finish off the 10 count, draw slow and get a nice milk hit. Getting very nice hits now in the 10-12 range with the VXN and very small amounts of residue left over, which i just burn off after. That part still makes an unpleasant smell but i've got 2 VXN's so I can wait and do the burnoff every other time. As someone else mentioned i think the quartz nails have a curved bottom rather than a flat one, i think that may provide a more even extraction and leave less residue.
As for the ELB's, i have noticed that i am getting buildup on the top cap pretty quick. Maybe I am using too fine of a grind. I tend to over grind. I have to keep cleaning those daily, probably should order some spares. You are right about the ABV, it can be deceptive. Some material i can hit at the 3 o clock mark, get 3-4 nice draws and its still light brown. Its a fun learning process.

SD_haze said:

@biohacker
Agreed!!
I'm a Vapor Bong Nerd for sure.

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Hi, so exactly what HT is that? I was looking for one with a side stem, like this--
Thanks

MinnBobber said:

Hi, so exactly what HT is that? I was looking for one with a side stem, like this--
Thanks

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Looks like the swagger side circ.

solodolo420 said:

I have the dry mouthpiece that originally came with it, I actually did not know you could not use it inverted, I should have known that my mistake

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@solodolo420, just want to be sure you are aware, you can use the EVO inverted all day long, just not with the VXN. The nature of the VXN prevents it from being used inverted in that it is open at the top.

With an ELB, on the other hand, you have a cap on the bowl, so it works perfectly inverted. It is recommended not to leave the unit inverted and on for long periods of time as the heat shielding is mostly above the heater... IIRC 10 minutes is the recommended max time to be on and inverted. You can use concentrates with an ELB - double cap method, cotton... - but the VXN seems (no personal experience as of yet) universally seen as a better method.

VXL sells a whip attachment that will allow you to use the glass you shared and have the EVO upright.

You may know all of this info... If not, hope it helps.

M00NEY said:

VXL sells a whip attachment that will allow you to use the glass you shared and have the EVO upright.

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Still not sure why VXL doesn't offer an 18mm male adapter on one of the ends of the whip. All of my glass is 18mm female (for inverted use with the EVO). They don't offer an adapter that would work for me. All of their adapters are based on the assumption that you use a hydratube normally, and your glass is all male jointed oil rigs.

Thankfully the adapter is easy to find, so I'm taken care of. But I know VXL definitely lost an accessory purchase from me since they don't have it.

Hi,
the vapexhale site won't let me email them my question, sorry.
Do the glass mouthpiece and all the hydratubes have an 18 mm
female joint?
Thanks

MinnBobber said:

Hi,
the vapexhale site won't let me email them my question, sorry.
Do the glass mouthpiece and all the hydratubes have an 18 mm
female joint?
Thanks

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yes

Dr. Plutonious said:

So does anyone know if there is any difference between the Swagger Sidecars and the Vapexhale Sidecars (the ones in the new starter kits)? The shape is definitely interesting.

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I don't have experience with the starter kit piece but I purchased the original massdrop deal that had the delayed hydratubes and I received the sidecirc and it was not labeled "swagger" and had a ton of imperfections. I opened a support ticket and they replaced it but the new one (also unbranded) leaks into the bottom chamber. Maybe I just got 2 lemons in a row but I was personally underwhelmed by the "swagger" glass quality control. Love the EVO though!

So I cleaned my EVO using the wadded up paper towel method .
Worked like a charm , I didn't want to try the balloon way ,
only because I was afraid to have had an iso balloon splattered
on my floor .

But afterwards , I thought to myself .
I should have saved those Red Caps they shipped the EVO in .
So I tried an mflb cap on the bottom of the bamboo , it fits .
Too tight for the top , but that's ok .
That's where I place my palm , after filling iso in the bamboo .
Now I can rinse it , tilting it up and down .

Sorry if this has been mentioned already ,
It's just that I love my Evo and wanted to participate .

poonman said:

So I cleaned my EVO using the wadded up paper towel method .
Worked like a charm , I didn't want to try the balloon way ,
only because I was afraid to have had an iso balloon splattered
on my floor .

But afterwards , I thought to myself .
I should have saved those Red Caps they shipped the EVO in .
So I tried an mflb cap on the bottom of the bamboo , it fits .
Too tight for the top , but that's ok .
That's where I place my palm , after filling iso in the bamboo .
Now I can rinse it , tilting it up and down .

Sorry if this has been mentioned already ,
It's just that I love my Evo and wanted to participate .

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I used the red cap on the bottom to clean my EVO last week and it worked great. Just need to watch the seal to make sure nothing's seeping through.

Roth said:

Still not sure why VXL doesn't offer an 18mm male adapter on one of the ends of the whip. All of my glass is 18mm female (for inverted use with the EVO). They don't offer an adapter that would work for me. All of their adapters are based on the assumption that you use a hydratube normally, and your glass is all male jointed oil rigs.

Thankfully the adapter is easy to find, so I'm taken care of. But I know VXL definitely lost an accessory purchase from me since they don't have it.

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I agree. I sent an email asking this question and got no response. Unless I am looking at it wrong, the kit they sell does not work to allow you to use even a HF2.0, which they sell, with the EVO upright. I got a pair of pieces made by OregonGlassBlower for this purpose. They are perfect for me and were $10/ea, 1 male, 1 female.

M00NEY said:

I agree. I sent an email asking this question and got no response. Unless I am looking at it wrong, the kit they sell does not work to allow you to use even a HF2.0, which they sell, with the EVO upright. I got a pair of pieces made by OregonGlassBlower for this purpose. They are perfect for me and were $10/ea, 1 male, 1 female.

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Given their markup on accessories they'll probably carry them down the road especially if more people ask for them. Anyway depending what you have it's usually possible to make it work with one or two extra adapters. For my Mobius I was using an 18/14mm male adapter and an 18-14mm reducer on top to get it to work.

M00NEY said:

I got a pair of pieces made by OregonGlassBlower for this purpose. They are perfect for me and were $10/ea, 1 male, 1 female.

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I did the exact same thing People should definitely hit up OGB if they need some adapters.

Not ripping on VXL, but why does their carrying case cost so much? when i got a case that does a great job for $13. Seriously walmart has cases that fit my EVO and HT plus some other things. $125 seems like some sort of insane mark up, hell even pelican cases are cheaper.

I bought the case for "only" $110 through the igg deal and the cutouts were all wrong. But what bothered me more was the lack of a place to put a padlock or a zip tie to prevent unwanted opening/snooping.

M00NEY said:

just want to be sure you are aware, you can use the EVO inverted all day long, just not with the VXN. The nature of the VXN prevents it from being used inverted in that it is open at the top.

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Oh I know, I just didn't realize you couldn't invert it with the nail but it makes sense especially now that I have it and am using it. Not sure if I like the nail yet

Still looking for anyone's opinion or experience with the smoothest water tool

I know I'm like a broken record. I'm gonna check out the OGB site

My throat feels better but there isn't any real sound coming out. You'd think I'd be more worried about that. If I ever try the evo again I'm starting at the most 4:00.

Does anyone know about this vapor tamer device?

I wish this wasn't so hard.

What's the best solution for HT's since VXL is sold out? Any other sources or glassblowers doing these?

biohacker said:

What's the best solution for HT's since VXL is sold out? Any other sources or glassblowers doing these?

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I'm looking into Oregon glass blower on ioffer

Have you heard of this. Lots of diffusion or so it's advertised that way. Who knows
BIO HAND BLOWN 3X HONEYCOMB WATER PIPE BUBBLER NO BONG

Sold Out??
I see several HT's up on their website including the SSFG Hydraline I thought was discontinued?

I just recently heard of Doughboy Glass who makes some hydratubes for the Cloud.... Has a "HydraKlein" and "Recyclo-Tube" available... or is it one and the same? Pics and vid from @PoopMachine

"Recyclo-Tube 2.0"

I just wish they had some regular straight tubes like Swagger Circ or Evolver like they used to. That's all I need is a simple thick glass straight circ HT.

biohacker said:

I just wish they had some regular straight tubes like Swagger Circ or Evolver like they used to. That's all I need is a simple thick glass straight circ HT.

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How much are the tubes above. They look super smooth and I really need that for my throat. They look really nice and it doesn't seem like you have to invert the evo.

If I am ever able to use the evo again I need something with a of diffusion. And I can't spend hundreds of dollars. Basically I'm looking for a unicorn.

biohacker said:

I just wish they had some regular straight tubes like Swagger Circ or Evolver like they used to. That's all I need is a simple thick glass straight circ HT.

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Could always order a custom hydratube from Doughboy or one of the other glassblowers here. For a simple piece it would probably be cheaper than one from VXL and better quality.

LongIslandmom said:

How much are the tubes above. They look super smooth and I really need that for my throat. They look really nice and it doesn't seem like you have to invert the evo.

If I am ever able to use the evo again I need something with a of diffusion. And I can't spend hundreds of dollars. Basically I'm looking for a unicorn.

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I hope you aren't expecting too much from filtration. Most pieces holding a moderate amount of water and a perc with a sufficient number of balanced well-cut slits is going to be fairly similar as far as filtration and moisturizing. You can step up from this level e.g. to the Mobius Ion, but the cost about doubles. Other characteristics folks go for in a bubbler won't help with harshness on your throat. IME what you're after is to minimize the dry heat and the work your throat has to do. So that means lower on the dial, taking smaller easier hits with a sip of water in between, a decent moisturizing perc, little to no drag, and cooling the vapor.

I have several Mobius bubblers all of which have fantastic filtration, but fact is, there are HT's and others less expensive that aren't all that different in this particular respect. It's the action and aesthetics of these pieces that makes them exceptional, but again those are features that won't really help you.

When I was having pulmonary issues, I used pieces that required little pull (i.e., no drag; constricting your pharynx & larynx adds irritation), had at least a dozen well-made slits that made plenty of small bubbles (most water contact, hence more moisturizing - and smoother action), and could safely use ice.

oldiebutgoodie said:

I hope you aren't expecting too much from filtration. Most pieces holding a moderate amount of water and a perc with a sufficient number of balanced well-cut slits is going to be fairly similar as far as filtration and moisturizing. You can step up from this level e.g. to the Mobius Ion, but the cost about doubles. Other characteristics folks go for in a bubbler won't help with harshness on your throat. IME what you're after is to minimize the dry heat and the work your throat has to do. So that means lower on the dial, taking smaller easier hits with a sip of water in between, a decent moisturizing perc, little to no drag, and cooling the vapor.

I have several Mobius bubblers all of which have fantastic filtration, but fact is, there are HT's and others less expensive that aren't all that different in this particular respect. It's the action and aesthetics of these pieces that makes them exceptional, but again those are features that won't really help you.

When I was having pulmonary issues, I used pieces that required little pull (i.e., no drag; constricting your pharynx & larynx adds irritation), had at least a dozen well-made slits that made plenty of small bubbles (most water contact, hence more moisturizing - and smoother action), and could safely use ice.

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Ok that was some awesome info. I knew I was doing it at too high a heat. I always had it @ 2:00
I'm just so old to be making brownies; So what kind of bubbler would you suggest. Have you ever used cotton. I hear it helps to cool it down. I'm just so sad. I can handle the t-break but forever? I know about möbius but they are so expensive. How many slits. Should I make it bigger so the vapor has time to cool? I'm so clueless. I never thought it would come down to this. I love this site because everyone has been so patient with me. Thanks I'm writing all these tips down.