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farscaper

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darkrom said:
http://store.clarksonlab.com/243729.aspx

Not that bad. Less than a closed loop system and vac oven anyway. Not something I'm gunna run out and buy, but if it really works to make DIY solventless extracts that people actually enjoy, I can see splitting one.

But I know nothing about what is involved. I'd have to see it in action and the hash it makes.
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not bad ive seen used for 1500 on ebay so 1700 isnt shabby at all. you still need to add an inline chiller for the condenser .

effectively the boiling flask in the waterbath spins. keeping the material inside constantly churning and prevents hot points. this entire apparatus is then vacuum pressurized to lower the boiling points of the actives. you can effectively use this apparatus to remove water vapor from fresh material... selectively boil off actives and if you desired those could be fractioned off or conjoined in a high potency extract...

utilizing nothing more than heat... and pressure.

I think ive heard thst slogan before.

edit found one under 1k
http://www.joyfay.com/rotary-evapor...-150rpm.html?gclid=CNP4vMCKlsECFeJF7AodzHEAlQ

although im unsure if a vertical or angled condenser is best.
 
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invisiblefriend

invisiblefriend

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I used to make candles with essential oils and I have a bunch of essential oils including grapefruit , tangerine , bergamot ............ fooling around with that ... simply because the recent batch I have is not so great (bad source imo) -- so I figured I would fool around
b4 baking :)

respect
 
Quetzalcoatl

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farscaper said:
not bad ive seen used for 1500 on ebay so 1700 isnt shabby at all. you still need to add an inline chiller for the condenser .

effectively the boiling flask in the waterbath spins. keeping the material inside constantly churning and prevents hot points. this entire apparatus is then vacuum pressurized to lower the boiling points of the actives. you can effectively use this apparatus to remove water vapor from fresh material... selectively boil off actives and if you desired those could be fractioned off or conjoined in a high potency extract...

utilizing nothing more than heat... and pressure.

I think ive heard thst slogan before.

edit found one under 1k
http://www.joyfay.com/rotary-evapor...-150rpm.html?gclid=CNP4vMCKlsECFeJF7AodzHEAlQ

although im unsure if a vertical or angled condenser is best.
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That's really not that bad at all of a price. Prepare your wallets...

http://edenlabs.com/equipment/co2-units

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canj00digit?

canj00digit?

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wow the idea of solventless via a rotary evaporator is extremely interesting.

By the time I bought my large SS extraction tube with stand, vac chamber plus shipping to the ass end of the world, and then my vac pump, plus my custom silicone heating pad... lol all that stuff was around the same price as that cheaper rotary evaporator.

Plus I already have an inline water chiller at my disposal.

While the concept is dead simple, the actual implementation seems intimidating in it's possible complexities. I'd be scared I'd drop all that cash and not be able to figure out how to use it :D
 
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farscaper

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canj00digit? said:
wow the idea of solventless via a rotary evaporator is extremely interesting.

By the time I bought my large SS extraction tube with stand, vac chamber plus shipping to the ass end of the world, and then my vac pump, plus my custom silicone heating pad... lol all that stuff was around the same price as that cheaper rotary evaporator.

Plus I already have an inline water chiller at my disposal.

While the concept is dead simple, the actual implementation seems intimidating in it's possible complexities. I'd be scared I'd drop all that cash and not be able to figure out how to use it :D
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the funny thing is we all know how It works.

its an evaporator... In other words (its a big specialty vaporizer)

but to preserve the sensitive terpenes and such instead of cranking it to 400 you work at a littlve over 100 but under vacuum as to lower the boiling points of all the actives.

you could just use a distillation setup with a vacuum filter to pressurize, but you then risk scorching the material inside the boiling flask. so this machine prevents the scortching by being able to spin at up to 150rpm. actually pretty fast!

thats the basics that patent actually gives some working temps and vacuum pressur2 in it for reference... it just difficult to find within the jargon.
 
fft

fft

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farscaper said:
the funny thing is we all know how It works.

its an evaporator... In other words (its a big specialty vaporizer)

but to preserve the sensitive terpenes and such instead of cranking it to 400 you work at a littlve over 100 but under vacuum as to lower the boiling points of all the actives.

you could just use a distillation setup with a vacuum filter to pressurize, but you then risk scorching the material inside the boiling flask. so this machine prevents the scortching by being able to spin at up to 150rpm. actually pretty fast!

thats the basics that patent actually gives some working temps and vacuum pressur2 in it for reference... it just difficult to find within the jargon.
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This is definitely a viable application for a rotary evaporator. Rotovaps have been used in high end restaurants and bars for food grade extractions. Aviary in Chicago has one in their basement to make extracts for cocktails.

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I'd love to hear of someone putting this to work for cannabis. Btw this is the same chef that used a volcano to make scented air pillows in his restaurant, so I wouldn't be shocked if he's tried putting the rotovap to work on the down low.

Polyscience, a company that specializes in bringing lab-grade equipment and techniques to culinary applications, sells this rotovap setup. I've been trying to figure out for years how to justify putting one of these in our kitchen, but there's no way that will fly.

[recognize this is off topic...if there's interest in rotovaps maybe make a new thread]
 
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farscaper

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fft said:
This is definitely a viable application for a rotary evaporator. Rotovaps have been used in high end restaurants and bars for food grade extractions. Aviary in Chicago has one in their basement to make extracts for cocktails.

IMG_3768.JPG


I'd love to hear of someone putting this to work for cannabis. Btw this is the same chef that used a volcano to make scented air pillows in his restaurant, so I wouldn't be shocked if he's tried putting the rotovap to work on the down low.

Polyscience, a company that specializes in bringing lab-grade equipment and techniques to culinary applications, sells this rotovap setup. I've been trying to figure out for years how to justify putting one of these in our kitchen, but there's no way that will fly.

[recognize this is off topic...if there's interest in rotovaps maybe make a new thread]
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xtracteds clear concentrate I believe is your practical example...
 
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CrazyDiamond

CrazyDiamond

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Woot...talking about rotovapes in two different threads now....this is getting juicy, lol :science:
I feel your pain @canj00digit? I too have spent a decent amount of money for the sake of extracting...I kinda bitched about that to @farscaper and he quickly checked me...experimentation takes time and investment...at the end of the day, it's about science.
 
NickDlow

NickDlow

Log Hog
StickyShisha said:
keif is good for about 60% yield but yours looks less dark than mine usually comes out.
i would like to hear more on your process.
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Use a light behind it lol. It is pretty dark when it's together.

I froze my KX (I store my KX in my freezer). Then I poured my KX into a mason jar with the kief. I didn't time how long it was in the freezer but I shook vigorously a few time till the kief was completely dissolved. The I strained it through a SS 50 micron screen into a SS 10 micron screen. Left in freezer until it completely drained into my PTFE lined dish. I used a fan to agitate till the KX evaporated. Then I consolidated into a flat circle and did a cold (no heat added) vac purge, flipping a few times during purge.

Some ppl don't feel it's nessicary to vac purge their QWISO/QWET/QWKX but I do. IMO I feel there is still solvent left after the evap. I weighed it before my vac purge and it weighed .78g after it was .75g. So it took something out but that's my process hope it helps.
 
PoopMachine

PoopMachine

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How much can you expect to get out of say an ounce of weed with this method? Just ball park.....
 
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Dabsallday710

Dabsallday710

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Just ran 1st batch with Kleen Xtract..Amazing..! Came out great.Its 200 proof,100% Organic Ethyl Alcohol..No heat needed so it's super safe and made in USA by farmers,not big oil.Let me know if anyone else has tried it and what your results were please..We can exchange tips because it was my 1st time pull with this KX.Any info would be great.
 
NickDlow

NickDlow

Log Hog
Dabsallday710 said:
Just ran 1st batch with Kleen Xtract..Amazing..! Came out great.Its 200 proof,100% Organic Ethyl Alcohol..No heat needed so it's super safe and made in USA by farmers,not big oil.Let me know if anyone else has tried it and what your results were please..We can exchange tips because it was my 1st time pull with this KX.Any info would be great.
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You do realize ur posing in a KX thread? lol basically everyone who posted in here tried it. Sorry that amused me.

How about posting pics and info of your run? Also read the thread there is info throughout it.
 
Dabsallday710

Dabsallday710

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Good point,glad you got a kick out of it though.Didnt record or pic 1st run but setting up for another..Will have results on by Sat..Defenitely picking up some good tips in here...Thanks.
 
Dabsallday710

Dabsallday710

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NickDlow said:
You do realize ur posing in a KX thread? lol basically everyone who posted in here tried it. Sorry that amused me.

How about posting pics and info of your run? Also read the thread there is info throughout it.
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Good point,glad you got a kick out of it though.Didnt record or pic 1st run but setting up for another..Will have results on by Sat..Defenitely picking up some good tips in here...Thanks.
 
herbivore21

herbivore21

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PoopMachine said:
How much can you expect to get out of say an ounce of weed with this method? Just ball park.....
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This is the same as QWET man, with good tech, ethanol can allow us to extract as close to all of the goodies in a given set of material as possible. :D

I heartily recommend ethanol extraction to the cannabis miser who wants to hold onto every last bit of the good stuff in their stash.


canj00digit? said:
wow the idea of solventless via a rotary evaporator is extremely interesting.

By the time I bought my large SS extraction tube with stand, vac chamber plus shipping to the ass end of the world, and then my vac pump, plus my custom silicone heating pad... lol all that stuff was around the same price as that cheaper rotary evaporator.

Plus I already have an inline water chiller at my disposal.

While the concept is dead simple, the actual implementation seems intimidating in it's possible complexities. I'd be scared I'd drop all that cash and not be able to figure out how to use it :D
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You are so right bro, a good rotovap is gonna cost wayyyyyyyyyyy too much to not be sure you'll be doing perfect work with it from the get-go lol

Guys - do not buy a rotovap unless you have actual lab experience with one. This shit is not for the uninitiated to be playing around with!

Seriously, not unless you have someone with not only the right organic/synthetic chem credentials and crucially, the credentials to educate the uninitiated in such methods (these are not the same thing!).

As a scientist/extraction artist, I freak right out when your average home extractor brings up these kinds of ideas on fc - I hate to think that anyone would at best waste a lot of good material and a lot of money on high end equipment (which WILL attract the wrong kind of attention from authorities in most parts of the world!). At worst, yikes. I don't wanna imagine any such things befalling my FC friends!

Still yes, a rotovap could be enlisted for extraction - however treeing the scientific journals for such practices, this is NOT the favored means by chemists in scholarly work to make pure, refined essential oil extractions for research purposes. The favored means are much more high-tech and prohibitively expensive still, perhaps unsurprisingly lol.

As has been said in other threads on this board: most of the extraction methods we dream up for weed have been done in infinitely more sophisticated ways by chemists more qualified than myself or other FCers ;)

I am glad to say that there are a small handful of extraction artists in various parts of the world working on the next generation of extraction technologies. I think we are all gonna like what we see ;)
 
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farscaper

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herbivore21 said:
This is the same as QWET man, with good tech, ethanol can allow us to extract as close to all of the goodies in a given set of material as possible. :D

I heartily recommend ethanol extraction to the cannabis miser who wants to hold onto every last bit of the good stuff in their stash.



You are so right bro, a good rotovap is gonna cost wayyyyyyyyyyy too much to not be sure you'll be doing perfect work with it from the get-go lol

Guys - do not buy a rotovap unless you have actual lab experience with one. This shit is not for the uninitiated to be playing around with!

Seriously, not unless you have someone with not only the right organic/synthetic chem credentials and crucially, the credentials to educate the uninitiated in such methods (these are not the same thing!).

As a scientist/extraction artist, I freak right out when your average home extractor brings up these kinds of ideas on fc - I hate to think that anyone would at best waste a lot of good material and a lot of money on high end equipment (which WILL attract the wrong kind of attention from authorities in most parts of the world!). At worst, yikes. I don't wanna imagine any such things befalling my FC friends!

Still yes, a rotovap could be enlisted for extraction - however treeing the scientific journals for such practices, this is NOT the favored means by chemists in scholarly work to make pure, refined essential oil extractions for research purposes. The favored means are much more high-tech and prohibitively expensive still, perhaps unsurprisingly lol.

As has been said in other threads on this board: most of the extraction methods we dream up for weed have been done in infinitely more sophisticated ways by chemists more qualified than myself or other FCers ;)

I am glad to say that there are a small handful of extraction artists in various parts of the world working on the next generation of extraction technologies. I think we are all gonna like what we see ;)
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