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Firewood Vaporizer

Ano

FC Lover
I love the FW but suggest starting with the Solo its just pure simplicity.
I started with a MFLB and then bought a Solo.
I am glad I did it this way, as I think having first to master a "manual" technique and then turning to a more automated vaporizer is the way to go to fully understand how everything works.

I don't know if the analogy fits well here, but to me it's a bit like cars.
If you first learn to drive on a manual transmission, you will then enjoy the benefits of having an automatic transmission, while still being able to go back and forth between the two, and enjoying the control you have with the stick.
If you first learn with the automatic transmission however, you will probably have a harder time learning to use the manual transmission, as you would have to forget all the expectation you got from a system that do most of the work by itself.
It can be quite frustrating having to really learn to master something when you are used to obtaining good results without having to do much.


tl;dr: If I were to choose between the Firewood and the Solo as a first vaporizer (with the idea in mind that I'll probably get more vaporizers later), I would probably go for the Firewood.
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paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
Thanks for the reply, I was hoping someone would mention that.

I too would go with the Firewood, I personally never have a reason to use my Solo and am using the FW at least once a day. I only suggest the Solo if others are going to use it. I grew up with a VG and MFLB and do support choosing a more difficult vape to help understand vaporization and vaporizing techniques in general.

But personally the Solo doesn't fit my needs I bought it for others to use. I prefer small loads and extractions under 3 minutes. I'll pass the Solo around at gatherings while the FW stays with my SO and I.
 

Ano

FC Lover
Well I'm about the same then.

I also bought the Solo as a "party" vape, one to easily share without having much to explain and without any risk of combustion.
I still use it on my own (mostly through water), but yeah, like you I'm all for small loads and quick extraction ;)

So in the end it's probably best to go with the Solo if you're thinking of sharing some good vapor with your friends, whereas the Firewood would be a more personal vape to mostly keep to yourself or already experienced people.
 
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Madcap79

Jack of all trades, master of none.
Just wanted to stop in and say that the FW 2.1 is my daily portable. Always loaded and ready to go with me anywhere. I love it! :rockon::peace:
 
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llamaman001

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I've really been thinking about picking up a 2.1 as well because of its efficiency, is it similar to the mflb and vapman in that respect? Are the load sizes comparable? One thing i hated about using the firewood 1 was rigging the mouthpiece with screens so you wouldn't get product in your mouth, is this still a problem?
 
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paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
I've really been thinking about picking up a 2.1 as well because of its efficiency, is it similar to the mflb and vapman in that respect? Are the load sizes comparable? One thing i hated about using the firewood 1 was rigging the mouthpiece with screens so you wouldn't get product in your mouth, is this still a problem?
After one bowl I put a screen in my new 2.1. I find my load sizes with the FW smaller than the MFLB but bigger than what I'd use in a Vapman or Hammer in conduction. Though I would just put some cotton clung to the spring to prevent particulates from passing.

Bowl sizes range from .03-.07, maybe .1g when sharing so they can see the vapor with more ease. Though I personally feel unsatisfied from the mflb with anything under .05g unless its powder/keif consistently. The Hammer I just load miniscule pellets similar to the Vapo.
 
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stuartambient

Well-Known Member
Here's a weird experience with my FW 2 - Few weeks back I picked up a "bong snap" at my local disp. It's 1/8th of flower they usually give away as a perk to their med clients on a monthly basis. It's usually smaller nugs but nonetheless good quality. Anyway, this particular one I noticed was very dry. Barely had to touch the nug that it would crumble.

Thing is it will not vape whatsoever. Pulled, overheated , pulled some more and got absolutely NOWHERE. LOL. When I took out the capsule the weed was still 100% green. My only conclusion was that it was too dry ?. Honestly it's boggling because I've gotten this medium before and it always vaped. So odd.

Shamefully I resorted to burning it and it is some really fine and tasty stuff but wth with it's non-vaporizing qualities.
 
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paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
Try moving the screen up higher?

I find the biggest inconvenience with the FW is the smaller mouthpiece for the bowl. I feel it prevents better fuller extraction.
 
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stuartambient

Well-Known Member
Try moving the screen up higher?

I find the biggest inconvenience with the FW is the smaller mouthpiece for the bowl. I feel it prevents better fuller extraction.

Didn't think of it. I assumed the heater was closer to the bottom. I'll have to try it.
 
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stuartambient

Well-Known Member
It is, but I find the chamber to be placed too close to the heater.

Thanks Payton, yeah that might help, but the fact that this particular material wouldn't even burn probably won't be helped moving it even further away. I held the button down for a long while, took long pulls, some slow , others harder and all to no avail. Sounds weird considering it ignites with a flame.

But yeah, in general with the FW I find the screen the biggest nuisance. I haven't yet got around to buying one of those things you use from Ed's. The screen though does last forever. It never seems to get gunked up but when it comes out of place getting it back right is at least for me a big hassle. Stirring is not a good idea with that screen unless you are really careful. I think some kind of built in screen, maybe it would need to be cleaned better, not sure but something that stays in place.
 
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laboon

New Member
Solo is easier to pull clouds, Firewood will require patience to master.

Firewood can extract quicker and works better with smaller loads but its harder to get the same size clouds.

I love the FW but suggest starting with the Solo its just pure simplicity.

My FW bowl sizes are always under .1g, while Solo is exactly .1 or .05g above.
thanks for the replies, i will be planning on passing it around abit so i might end up getting the solo. Im not making the purchase for another week or two so i'll keep doing my research on both and see which one picks my fancy
 
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Vifzor

Well-Known Member
Hey, i just recieved my firewood today :)

I wanted to know how to exactly vaporize hash? i just put it inside and vaporize as i would vaporize herb's ? Should i be careful for the cleaning afterwards?

And what about inhaling particules? does that happen often? :(
Thx in advance for your answers guy's, and sorry about my english!

Have a good day!
 
Vifzor,
Hey FW friends. I've read through most of this thread and am wondering now if my walnut FW 2.0 is defective. It will work for me, but I have to hold the button for at least 1.5-2 minutes before I can get any visible vapor at all, and then I have to keep the button depressed to keep getting vapor production. So far, I've not been able to achieve anything more than a light yellow abv no matter what I try, and this is all on a fresh battery. It does work, per se, in the sense that I do feel the effects, but I have to work for it, and it gets tiring holding the button down so long. So...I'm trying to determine if I am doing something wrong or if something is just wrong.

Can someone in the know give me a rundown of the best method that works for them? How much do you fill the capsule? How far above the herbs do you set the mouthpiece? How long do you have to hold the button to start seeing production? How slow/fast draw? How do you manage the button while drawing?

I'm not looking to mod this thing yet. I'd like to just see if it is working as it should, and I am not, or if I am working as I should and it is not.
 

KeroZen

Chronic vapaholic
I'll let the other answers, because that's the impression I have with mine too. When not using the PA, I must hold the button way more than what people report. Then I get some vapor, it's tasty yes, but I never managed so far to get past yellow ABV! And I tried hard a few times, to the point the shell of the device became really almost untouchable! I thought it would begin to char or worse catch fire!

I tried stirring, packing loose or not, variying the position of the screen inside the capsule etc. But never achieved a full extraction for sure. The worse is that after very little time the battery dies. The first time I tried to insist and did a long session to cash the load, not only did I fail to get past yellow but the thing died on me! And the batteries had been recharged the night before.

Obviously @paytonpenn gets excellent results out of his, it's even his daily driver. So I'm puzzled. I want to love this device but so far it gets very little use because it's often more a disappointment than anything. It gets me medicated though, but I have to move the ABV to another vape if I want to finish it.
 

grokit

well-worn member
I pulled out my 1.0 a few days ago, I've only used it a few times. When I put it away I was satisfied with its performance (after a bit of a learning curve), but upon pulling it out again I am having a similar experience to the posters above. The abv changes color but no vapor. Too bad because it's a beautiful piece of walnut!
 

catbird

hyperconscious
Hey FW friends. I've read through most of this thread and am wondering now if my walnut FW 2.0 is defective. It will work for me, but I have to hold the button for at least 1.5-2 minutes before I can get any visible vapor at all, and then I have to keep the button depressed to keep getting vapor production. So far, I've not been able to achieve anything more than a light yellow abv no matter what I try, and this is all on a fresh battery. It does work, per se, in the sense that I do feel the effects, but I have to work for it, and it gets tiring holding the button down so long. So...I'm trying to determine if I am doing something wrong or if something is just wrong.

Can someone in the know give me a rundown of the best method that works for them? How much do you fill the capsule? How far above the herbs do you set the mouthpiece? How long do you have to hold the button to start seeing production? How slow/fast draw? How do you manage the button while drawing?

I'm not looking to mod this thing yet. I'd like to just see if it is working as it should, and I am not, or if I am working as I should and it is not.
So I'm no expert, but I received a Firewood 2.1 two months ago in a trade, and have used it a bunch, and I definitely get visible vapor/clouds/good hits. It requires a little finesse for me to achieve this, but not much.

I get better hits when I give it a solid minute to heat so that it's all the way ready before I start to draw, whereas if I get antsy and try to draw too early, then I feel like my hits aren't as good once it is hot enough (though I'm not sure if that's actually the case or just a perception that I have). It might not need a full minute, but that's about the amount of time I give it to be sure that it will be where I want it/produce a good hit from the start.

I didn't really need to experiment with various ways of manipulating the mouthpiece or filling the capsule to achieve this. I fill it really minimally and loosely with ground herb, and a load for me fits in the screen itself. This is not because of anything to do with the FW particularly, but I like to get as much as possible out of as little as possible; with all my vapes I load as I little as I need for them to work well (which seems to be most efficient and produce the best functioning anyway, and the FW is really efficient for me if I use it well). I use a slowish/steady/solid draw. I ride the button based on how long I'm using/how hot it's getting. How I use the button varies but in general I think I can release once I feel I've started to take in a successful hit, though I often hold it throughout most of the hit anyway. I release between hits and try to give it a few seconds back on the button before I draw the next hit (or more if there was a more substantial pause). A few hits in, I have to lay off the button more or risk combustion. The only time I ever combusted (for a split second before I realized) was when I was sharing the FW with a friend (so I can blame their technique). I get a pretty uniform, medium brown ABV.

I don't know how others use it, but this has been working for me. Though yours sounds potentially defective given that heat up time; I feel like your not being able to extract anything before that point doesn't sound like a technique issue. Hope this helps.
 
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Madcap79

Jack of all trades, master of none.
My v2.0 was underpowered. I upgraded to v2.1 and it's much better. It's my daily portable. I did push the bottom screen up a bit to get the meds a little further away from the heat as @paytonpenn suggested.
 
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So I'm no expert, but I received a Firewood 2.1 two months ago in a trade, and have used it a bunch, and I definitely get visible vapor/clouds/good hits. It requires a little finesse for me to achieve this, but not much.

I get better hits when I give it a solid minute to heat so that it's all the way ready before I start to draw, whereas if I get antsy and try to draw too early, then I feel like my hits aren't as good once it is hot enough (though I'm not sure if that's actually the case or just a perception that I have). It might not need a full minute, but that's about the amount of time I give it to be sure that it will be where I want it/produce a good hit from the start.

I didn't really need to experiment with various ways of manipulating the mouthpiece or filling the capsule to achieve this. I fill it really minimally and loosely with ground herb, and a load for me fits in the screen itself. This is not because of anything to do with the FW particularly, but I like to get as much as possible out of as little as possible; with all my vapes I load as I little as I need for them to work well (which seems to be most efficient and produce the best functioning anyway, and the FW is really efficient for me if I use it well). I use a slowish/steady/solid draw. I ride the button based on how long I'm using/how hot it's getting. How I use the button varies but in general I think I can release once I feel I've started to take in a successful hit, though I often hold it throughout most of the hit anyway. I release between hits and try to give it a few seconds back on the button before I draw the next hit (or more if there was a more substantial pause). A few hits in, I have to lay off the button more or risk combustion. The only time I ever combusted (for a split second before I realized) was when I was sharing the FW with a friend (so I can blame their technique). I get a pretty uniform, medium brown ABV.

I don't know how others use it, but this has been working for me. Though yours sounds potentially defective given that heat up time; I feel like your not being able to extract anything before that point doesn't sound like a technique issue. Hope this helps.

Very helpful, man. Thanks! I think maybe I've just been approaching it wrong. I've been loading more than that, more like half full. I just tried your method, and gotta say it worked damn well.

I loaded just enough to cover the screen tamped very lightly. I used an online timer to time how long I held the button before draw.

1st draw - 1 minute: slow draw for about 20-30 seconds. Tasty vapors and light cloud.
2nd draw - 40 seconds: slow draw for about 30-45 seconds, letting button off last 5 seconds or so. Light tasty vapors with decent cloud.
3rd draw - same as the 2nd
4th draw - same as the 3rd but with slightly less cloud
5th draw - 1.5 mutes, slow draw for about 45 seconds. Wispy cloud.

ABV is light brown. Could pull more from it with another vape, but the hits from there would be popcorn and harsh anyway. I'm happy with the way it performed following your method. I bought this specifically for a personal use concert vape, so a 5-hit capsule is actually just right. I'm pretty high right now. Some of that has to do with the two shots of Maker's Mark, but then I also have that with me at shows. lol.

I think I was overfilling and perhaps not holding the button as long as I thought I was. Using the timer, a minute seems like a long damn time. lol.
 
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catbird

hyperconscious
Very helpful, man. Thanks! I think maybe I've just been approaching it wrong. I've been loading more than that, more like half full. I just tried your method, and gotta say it worked damn well.
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I think I was overfilling and perhaps not holding the button as long as I thought I was. Using the timer, a minute seems like a long damn time. lol.
So glad I could be of help and that it's working better for you! Are you happy with the clouds you achieved or do you feel like they could still be thicker? Perhaps the 2.1 makes the difference in that regard?
 
catbird,
@TheDudeNextDoor That is the issue with the 2.0 version. Its unfortunate but once receiving a 2.1 I can tell a clear different in heat up times. It still has the issue with not giving a dark extraction.

I bought this thing less than a month ago. According to the invoice, it is a 2.1.


Catbird: The clouds are okay, nothing impressive. I have not been able to get anything near what I can get with the Daisy, for example, no matter what I try. That's not necessarily a bad thing for what I bought this particular vape for, but if I was using it as a daily driver, no, I would not be satisfied with the size of the hits I've been able to get.

Could be entirely my method, so I will keep trying.
 
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Just sounds like a defective unit. I see the heater glow at 10 seconds on initial heat up by 20 seconds its red hot.

I'll be doing a video soon.

I'll be interested to see that. I just turned off all lights and used my hand to isolate my eye against the draw port. Started heat-up with the online stopwatch. I get nothing at all until about 35 seconds, when I get a faint glow. A full minute for a full glow and starting to feel a little heat on my eye. This is not on a full charge but still have a bright orange on the exterior light, so it's charged.

Does this sound like something's wrong with this unit?
 

paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
I'll be interested to see that. I just turned off all lights and used my hand to isolate my eye against the draw port. Started heat-up with the online stopwatch. I get nothing at all until about 35 seconds, when I get a faint glow. A full minute for a full glow and starting to feel a little heat on my eye. This is not on a full charge but still have a bright orange on the exterior light, so it's charged.

Does this sound like something's wrong with this unit?
Sounds like its a 2.0. If it is then there is nothing wrong but you may want to get it upgraded. If its supposed to be a 2.1 then its got a heating issue.
 
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